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Have the locusts from Rev 9 already been loosed?

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42 months from the sound of the 5th trump until the 7th trump sounds.
If you find that confusing, you should run it past somebody before you post what you have been posting again.


That's funny because there are 2300 literal days
when the "Abomination of Desolation" occurs DURING the Fourth Kingdom
THAT ALONE is about 6.5 years


Dan 8:13-1
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me,
Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


Now you can continue to PRETEND the Fourth Kingdom is 42 months...
but you do so being "wilfully ignorant" of what the Bible teaches.


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That's funny because there are 2300 literal days
when the "Abomination of Desolation" occurs DURING the Fourth Kingdom
THAT ALONE is about 6.5 years


Dan 8:13-1
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me,
Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


Now you can continue to PRETEND the Fourth Kingdom is 42 months...
but you do so being "wilfully ignorant" of what the Bible teaches.


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The ministry of the two witnesses is 1260 days. It starts on the day the 1st trump sounds and ends 4 days before Jesus comes and resurrects them 4 days later. The 7 vials are poured out within the same day they are resurrected, that includes the Beast being sent to the lake, his 42-month rule is expired on that day,
1st trump - 7th trump 1264 days. The 42 months start the day the 5th trump sounds, the math points to the 1st 4 trumps sounding 4 days as that is the offset for the two periods of time that are of equal length.
There is no 'abomination of desolation' mentioned in any part of Da:8, it is Da:11 instead, during the Beasts:42 month rule.

Da:11:31:
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


M't:24:14-15:
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth,
let him understand:)
 
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That's funny because there are 2300 literal days
when the "Abomination of Desolation" occurs DURING the Fourth Kingdom
THAT ALONE is about 6.5 years


Dan 8:13-14
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me,
Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


Now you can continue to PRETEND the Fourth Kingdom is 42 months...
but you do so being "wilfully ignorant" of what the Bible teaches.


The ministry of the two witnesses is 1260 days.


You did not RESPOND to my comments
and you intentionally IGNORED Daniel 8:13-14

We cannot have a "discussion" when I make a comment and provide a QUOTE
and you DEFLECT to another issue.

Focus man

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That's funny because there are 2300 literal days
when the "Abomination of Desolation" occurs DURING the Fourth Kingdom
THAT ALONE is about 6.5 years


Dan 8:13-14
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me,
Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.



Focus man
I'm trying to find a term that fits your style but you simply deny I answer you at all.
Go find this part and then read it like you are a fully functional adult:
From #103
There is no 'abomination of desolation' mentioned in any part of Da:8, it is Da:11 instead, during the Beasts 42 month rule.

Da:11:31:
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Don't start following me from thread to thread . . .
 
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You forgot to post the verses you mentioned.
"Scripture has something to say about that"

No. I was curious to see if you will be able to find Scripture about the meaning of the four horns on the altar since you claimed to have "paid dividends for extensive reading." I will give you some more time.

Do you mean the 4 horns that are saying something with their own voices?
Re:9:13:
And the sixth angel sounded,
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

No, you need to search for God's definition in His Word about the horns upon his altar first.

I will be waiting. Take your time and make your dividends useful.
 
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No. I was curious to see if you will be able to find Scripture about the meaning of the four horns on the altar since you claimed to have "paid dividends for extensive reading." I will give you some more time.



No, you need to search for God's definition in His Word about the horns upon his altar first.

I will be waiting. Take your time and make your dividends useful.
I don't play silly games like that. You will be waiting a very long time for any reply to any of your posts.
 
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The ministry of the two witnesses is 1260 days. It starts on the day the 1st trump sounds and ends 4 days before Jesus comes and resurrects them 4 days later. The 7 vials are poured out within the same day they are resurrected, that includes the Beast being sent to the lake, his 42-month rule is expired on that day,
1st trump - 7th trump 1264 days. The 42 months start the day the 5th trump sounds, the math points to the 1st 4 trumps sounding 4 days as that is the offset for the two periods of time that are of equal length.
There is no 'abomination of desolation' mentioned in any part of Da:8, it is Da:11 instead, during the Beasts:42 month rule.

Stop, stop, please. You are going all over the place and throwing in your opinions about 1,260 days. Stay with the context first. You need to understand who the Two Witnesses are, the power they received from God to prophesy, and how they are overcome and killed by the beast before you understand what 1,260 days are. Stick with Revelation 11 first...

Rev 11:3-4
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

What power is it that God gave to Two Witnesses?

Exactly who are Two Witnesses? (Remember there is spiritual signification for number two in Scripture - not about two literal men)

What is the meaning of clothed in sackcloth?

What are the two olive tres and two candlesticks symbolize?

Rev 11:5
(5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

How will the Two Witnesses spew fire upon the enemies? Is it literal fire or something else? It's in the Scripture, can you find it?

I will be waiting.
 
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There is no 'abomination of desolation' mentioned in any part of Da:8, it is Da:11 instead,


Really, you are not aware the Abomination is mentioned in MORE places than Dan 11?
Let me show you something about Dan 11...
And THEN about Dan 8 also


Stick with me now because I am about to show you some Biblical mysteries
that remained "closed-up" and "sealed" from all the Saints until the Last Saints
"shall understand" at a time specifically named the "Time-of-the-End". [Dan 12]


Dan 11:31
And ARMS [the ten "Horns" and ten "Kings"] shall stand on HIS [the Little Horn's] part,
and they [the Little Horn and the Ten "Kings/Horns"] shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
[the Fourth Kingdom] and shall take away the daily sacrifice [trusting on His Cross], and they shall place
the Abomination that maketh Desolate. [Satan ruling over the Last Saints during the Fourth Kingdom]


So we see WHAT the Abomination represents here... the Saints giving their Kingdom to the Beast
and THAT is the SAME ABOMINATION as the "Man of Sin" RULING over the Temple:


2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;

so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


THIS
is the Abomination which Jesus PROMISED the Last Saints "shall see" [Mat 24:15]..
THIS is what verse 8 PROMISES that the "Man of Sin" would be "revealed" to the Last Saints.


2Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Before I continue... did you notice WHAT WE HAVE DONE?
We have harmonize (1) Dan 11:31 and (2) 2 Thess 4 (3) Mat 24:15
and now we are ready to harmonize OTHER RELATED passages...
this is called "harmony of related passages".
This is how we find Bible Truth


So there is NO DOUBT that Dan 11 talks about Daniel's Abomination...
Now, the question is whether Daniel 8 talks about the Abomination also?
We already know Matthew 24 does and 2Thess does.


Dan 8:11-14
Yea, he [the Little Horn] magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and BY [because of] him
the daily sacrifice was taken away [from the Last Saints in the Ten "Horns/Kings/Virgins], and the
place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host [the Last Saints in the Ten "Horns/Kings/Virgins"]
was given him [He ruled over them] against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it [the Fourth Beast] cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
HOW LONG SHALL BE THE VISION BE concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
[How long will the DURATION of the Abomination of Desolation last] to give both the sanctuary
[the Kingdom] and the host [the Last Saints] to be trodden under foot? [to be ruled]
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days;
THEN [after 2300 days] shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
[as the Last Saints "see" the Abomination and "flee"]


Mat 24:15-15
When ye therefore SHALL SEE the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains:



The BEST verse in the Bible DESCRIBING Daniel's Abomination is found in Rev 17
where we are told [v12-13] the Ten "Horns/Kings" have "received no Kingdom as yet" (when John wrote)
but they would "receive power one hour with the [Revelation] Beast". We are told the Ten "Kings/Horns"
"shall give their power and strength unto the [Revelation] Beast"... which IS Daniel's Abomination.
Verse 17 puts it in the BEST perspective:


Rev 17:17
For God hath put in their [the Ten "Kings/Horns"] hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree,
and give their kingdom unto the [Revelation] beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


So we have seen the Abomination referenced in MANY verses:
(1) Daniel 11:31
(2) 2 Thess 2:4
(3) Mat 24:15
(4) Dan 8:11-14
(5) Rev 17:12-13 and 17:17


We know WHAT Daniel's Abomination was [give their Kingdom to the Beast]
We know WHERE the Abomination happens [the fourth Kingdom]
We know WHEN the Abomination happens [Great Tribulation]


It would develop false doctrine to pretend the ONLY Bible reference to the Abomination is Dan 11...
you cannot even pretend to offer an "informed opinion" on WHAT or WHEN or WHERE of Daniel's Abomination
unless/until you HARMONIZE ALL RELATED PASSAGES.


You sir have a narrow perspective of Daniel's Abomination.
While I assume you knew WHEN it occurs (Great Tribulation)
I suspect you did not know WHERE it occurs and WHAT
it represented (giving their Kingdom to the Beast)



during the Beasts 42 month rule.


You have committed the SAME ERROR here.
You have ONE VERSE that talks about the DURATION of the Fourth Kingdom...
but you have INTENTIONALLY IGNORED other related passages, giving MORE information.


I do not deny the Bible shows the DURATION of the Fourth Kingdom as 42 months (3.5 years)
however the Bible ALSO show the duration as 3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 "watches of the night".
You cannot expect to find Biblical Truth about the DURATION of the Fourth Kingdom when you INTENTIONALLY IGNORE
Scriptures talking about that time period:

The "Holy City" which the Anti-Christ "treads under foot" for 42 months/3.5 years [Rev 11]

The "Kings" that are "given into his hand" (the Anti-Christ's hand) for 3.5 "times" [Dan 7]

The "Holy People" whose "power is scattered" by the Anti-Christ for 3.5 "times" [Dan 12]

The "Woman" which is hidden from the face of the "serpent" for 3.5 "times" [Rev 12]

The "Witnesses" which are "overcome" and "killed" by Satan for 3.5 "days" [Rev 11]


Finally... WHAT are you going to do with the information from Daniel 8 which says
the Abomination of Desolation lasts for 2300 literal days?
Do you just REJECT that Scripture?



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I remember over 20 years ago reading the Left Behind series up until the Locusts of Rev 9 were discussed, and that's where I lost interest. I applaud LaHaye and Jenkins for holding to as strict a literal interpretation as possible, but for some reason it was too much in that instance.

Now I'm wondering if we've seen at least the beginning of the 1st Woe. I'll explain.

[Rev 9:1 KJV] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Stars aren't "hims". This star must be a non-literal reference. This sets the stage for the rest of the passage to be non-literal.

[Rev 9:2 KJV] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Smoke is often associated with judgment, probably because it affects more than the subjects of judgment. At the least it stings everyone's eyes where it reaches, and it reaches far into the air, vertically and horizontally.

[Rev 9:3 KJV] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

We immediately see that these are not normal locusts, but have to be compared with the power of scorpions. Imagine if it were described the other way, and scorpions were given wings and made to swarm as locusts. Ouch!

[Rev 9:4 KJV] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

The locusts don't even eat like normal locusts, but are only after the unbelievers. This is probably the hardest thing for my suggestion to fit.

[Rev 9:5 KJV] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Why 5 months?
And what is the torment of a scorpion like?
Here's a description from emedicinehealth.com:
Severe signs and symptoms of a sting from a scorpion include numbness throughout the body, difficulty swallowing, a thick tongue, blurred vision, roving eye movements, seizures, salivation, and difficulty breathing.

[Rev 9:6 KJV] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Does this mean they can't even kill themselves? Or does it somehow allude to a condition where they are kept alive medically? Or something else?

[Rev 9:7 KJV] And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.

Here's where I think it might apply to today. "Horses prepared into battle" seem to associate with military might and speed. "Crowns" suggest governmental authority. "Faces of men" may go with the next verse's "hair of women" to indicate something akin to the transgender movement, which is being pushed strongly in our military.

[Rev 9:8 KJV] And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as [the teeth] of lions.

If the main point of these locusts is to wield the power of scorpions, why do they need "teeth of lions"? Because it indicates the authority of rulers.

[Rev 9:9 KJV] And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

"Breastplates of iron" mean they have been made impervious to attack, even possibly political or spiritual attack, while the sound of the wings like chariots and horses running to battle reiterates the speed and power of military action and enforcement.

[Rev 9:10 KJV] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power [was] to hurt men five months.
[Rev 9:11 KJV] And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.

The main thing these creatures try to accomplish is the name of their leader, "destruction".

So here's my theory--the last few years are the time period spoken of. The stings are the covid vaccine, which is said to give immunity, but only for a short time before needing a booster (about 5 months, perhaps). Our military is one of the driving forced of the vaccine, along with the government. The same military and government has been pushing the transgender garbage, whose poster boy is "Rachel" Levine (man's face, woman's hair).

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The same government was of no use against the Antifa and BLM riots, but allowed them to perpetrate their destruction.

The scorpion sting symptoms are reminiscent of either Covid or the vaccine (myocarditis, blood clots, strokes, and general loss of immunity to many diseases). Mostly people aren't dying from the vaccine, though some are, and the supposed purpose is to keep people from dying. Many who are refusing to take the vaccine are believers (which may account for the text that says the believers are sealed against the locusts).

What do you think?
To answer the question, absolutely NO.

We are at the beginning of troubles certainly but not at the locust part as mentioned in revelation yet.

Blessings,

jff
 
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To answer the question, absolutely NO.

We are at the beginning of troubles certainly but not at the locust part as mentioned in revelation yet.

Blessings,

jff
Thanks for the refreshingly direct reply. Can you tell me why you think some of it couldn't have happened already?
 
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Before I go to such extent, can you show me it will be worthwhile by elaborating only on the locusts, and especially why they have hair like women?
You want to know why they have long hair, more than why they have that long hair on the head of a man?

Why do these angels get to look like horses instead of just men blending in with society as a normal angel would?

These are angels. Jude 1:6

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The 5th Trumpet is when these rebel angels are loosed from the pit. Instead of looking like men, they look like horses with a man's head with long hair. Hebrews 13:2

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

I doubt these angels loosed at the 5th Trumpet will be hard to miss. Unless some are seduced by their long hair?
 
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Derf said:
Before I go to such extent, can you show me it will be worthwhile by elaborating only on the locusts,
and especially why they have hair like women?


You want to know why they have long hair, more than why they have that long hair on the head of a man?


The Locusts of Rev 9 represent the Saints of the Great Tribulation

(1) They appear AFTER Satan is loosened to RULE during his "Little Season" of Great Tribulation or Revelation Beast

(2) They are represented as BELEIVERS
(a) horses prepared for battle
(b) Crowns of gold on their heads
(c) Faces of men
(d) Hair of women
(e) Teeth like Lions
(f) Breastplates of Iron

AND they are RULED by the "king" who is the "angel of the Bottomless Pit".
It could not be MORE obvious WHO the Locusts represent... you just need to read the text.


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Derf said:
Before I go to such extent, can you show me it will be worthwhile by elaborating only on the locusts,
and especially why they have hair like women?





The Locusts of Rev 9 represent the Saints of the Great Tribulation

(1) They appear AFTER Satan is loosened to RULE during his "Little Season" of Great Tribulation or Revelation Beast

(2) They are represented as BELEIVERS
(a) horses prepared for battle
(b) Crowns of gold on their heads
(c) Faces of men
(d) Hair of women
(e) Teeth like Lions
(f) Breastplates of Iron

AND they are RULED by the "king" who is the "angel of the Bottomless Pit".
It could not be MORE obvious WHO the Locusts represent... you just need to read the text.


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In other words, the great tribulation occurs at the end of the millennium?

[Rev 20:3 KJV] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Do you think we are currently in the millennium, but haven't yet gotten to the tribulation? Is Christ currently reigning with a rod of iron?

[Rev 19:15 KJV] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 
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You want to know why they have long hair, more than why they have that long hair on the head of a man?

Why do these angels get to look like horses instead of just men blending in with society as a normal angel would?

These are angels. Jude 1:6

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The 5th Trumpet is when these rebel angels are loosed from the pit. Instead of looking like men, they look like horses with a man's head with long hair. Hebrews 13:2

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

I doubt these angels loosed at the 5th Trumpet will be hard to miss. Unless some are seduced by their long hair?
I guess that's the Tim LaHaye/Jerry Jenkins view. But the description has the flavor of prophetic language, which would suggest there is meaning in those elements.
 
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Yes, the Great Tribulation Kingdom AFTER the Last Saint is saved
is after the Great Commission Kingdom (the A-Millennial Kingdom) BEFORE the Last Saint is saved

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Your answer "yes" at the beginning of your post seems to imply there IS a millenial kingdom, but how can that be with an a-millenial kingdom (meaning there is no millenial kingdom)? Or did I misunderstand "A-Millennial Kingdom"?
 
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Your answer "yes" at the beginning of your post seems to imply there IS a millenial kingdom, but how can that be with an a-millenial kingdom (meaning there is no millenial kingdom)? Or did I misunderstand "A-Millennial Kingdom"?

The word millennium is a Latin term meaning one thousand years. It's from the root words [mille], meaning thousand, and [annum], meaning years. In Greek (yes Greek, not Latin), placing the letter "a" before a word negates the word. So a-millennial literally means "no millennium."

However, we should note that contrary to false claims, Amillennialists do in fact believe there is a millennial reign of Christ, but not on an temporal physical throne upon this sin cursed earth. They believe that the Messiah has come to reign upon the throne of David in the Kingdom of heaven. So the word Amillennial itself is literally accurate as it is understood to mean, "no millennial reign on an earthly or worldly throne." Use of this word in any sense other than a "no future earthly kingdom reign," would be a misnomer.

This view of eschatology maintains that the present reign of Christ (Revelation 20:4), began with His ascension to the throne of God, and that this is what the apostle Peter was speaking about in Acts 2:30-32. Christ instituted His kingdom reign by His death, resurrection, and ascension to the throne of David, and it will be fully realized and manifested in heaven at His second coming.

The Amillennial Christian does not support the idea that the Kingdom of Christ is an intangible, but that it is incontrovertibly real, effectual, substantive, factual and essential. The kingdom is of a spiritual, rather than worldly (earthly) or carnal nature. They believe that the Kingdom of Christ on earth is now being extended and advanced through the preaching of the gospel of Christ, by His witnesses.
 
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The Locusts of Rev 9 represent the Saints of the Great Tribulation

(1) They appear AFTER Satan is loosened to RULE during his "Little Season" of Great Tribulation or Revelation Beast

(2) They are represented as BELEIVERS
(a) horses prepared for battle
(b) Crowns of gold on their heads
(c) Faces of men
(d) Hair of women
(e) Teeth like Lions
(f) Breastplates of Iron

AND they are RULED by the "king" who is the "angel of the Bottomless Pit".
It could not be MORE obvious WHO the Locusts represent... you just need to read the text.


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What I always suggest doing is this. Whatever one takes something to mean, insert that into the text in order to see if it makes sense out of the text or whether it makes nonsense out of the text. And if it makes sense out of the text, one might be on the right track in that case. But if it makes nonsense out of the text, obviously, one is not on the right track in that case. Let's try that here, that the locusts represent the Saints of the Great Tribulation.

IOW...

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

And there came out of the smoke the Saints of the Great Tribulation upon the earth: and unto the Saints of the Great Tribulation was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

And it was commanded the Saints of the Great Tribulation that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

And to the Saints of the Great Tribulation it was given that the Saints of the Great Tribulation should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and the Saints of the Great Tribulation torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

And the shapes of the the Saints of the Great Tribulation were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

And the Saints of the Great Tribulation had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

And the Saints of the Great Tribulation had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of the Saints of the Great Tribulation wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

And the Saints of the Great Tribulation had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in the Saints of the Great Tribulation tails: and the Saints of the Great Tribulation power was to hurt men five months.

And the Saints of the Great Tribulation had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


The question then is, does that make sense of the text, or does it make nonsense of the text? Obviously, the latter.
 
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5thKingdom said:
Yes, the Great Tribulation Kingdom AFTER the Last Saint is saved
is after the Great Commission Kingdom (the A-Millennial Kingdom) BEFORE the Last Saint is saved


Your answer "yes" at the beginning of your post seems to imply there IS a millenial kingdom, but how can that be with an a-millenial kingdom (meaning there is no millenial kingdom)? Or did I misunderstand "A-Millennial Kingdom"?


Read my comment again carefully.

I said the Great Commission is the A-Millennial Kingdom

meaning there is no LITERAL 1000 year reign

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