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Anti-Christ European Have I found the framework for the Seven Year Covenant?(Agreement)

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Revealing Times, Jan 23, 2018.

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  1. David Kent

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    I said it doesn't make sense when you say that EVERYONE KNOWS THAT when you had just said Douggg doesn't know, so NOT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, as according to you Douggg doesn't know.
     
  2. Davy

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    "Entrance to the RUINS..." really sounds like a rebuilt city, now doesn't it.

    Rev 18:24
    24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
    KJV

    Rev 18:20
    20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
    KJV


    That's more than enough to show that Revelation is pointing directly to Jerusalem as the Babylon harlot for the end.


    Matt 23:37
    37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
    KJV
     
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  3. Davy

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    Just because Anna of Luke 2 was of the tribe of Asher does not mean the whole tribe of Asher had returned from their Assyrian captivity.

    2 Chron 11:13-17
    13 And the priests and the Levites that were in all Israel resorted to him out of all their coasts.

    14 For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the LORD:

    15 And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.

    16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.


    17 So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong, three years: for three years they walked in the way of David and Solomon.
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    Some among the northern ten tribes migrated down to Jerusalem early on, when Jeroboam king of Israel setup the golden calf idols in the north. That's how Anna of the tribe of Asher would be found dwelling in Judea while the majority of the ten northern tribes were still abroad in captivity, as James tells us in James 1.
     
  4. Davy

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    Maybe it refers to authority of today's Israel that YOU... recognize over yourself as a Jew, but for those of us in Christ Jesus, today's Israel is definitely NOT an authority over us Christians.
     
  5. Revealing Times

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    I will go into all this, but it really has nothing to do with the timing. He comes forth in the Middle of the week. He does come to power in PEACE, he deceives many, including Israel and much of the Arab world, it could be more of a forced Peace/Security deal, but nevertheless its a PEACE.

    Standing up doesn't always mean War, it means taking ones proper place in events, but in this case it does mean War. He goes towards the East, South and the Holy Land telling us he conquers Persia, Arabs, Muslim lands, Egypt and other North African Countries and Israel/Jerusalem. Dan. 8.25 simply tells us he tricked those nations via a FALSE PEACE into entrusting him with their Security. How else could he Conquer Israel, a nation with Nuclear abilities? PEACE TALKS/NEGOTIATIONS which gets the Arab nations and Israel to lay down their Arms, of course.

    I would be cautious about dding in GOG & MAGOG, John in Revelation has Gog and Magog as being after the 1000 year reign. This MAN is born in Greece, starts out as the Greek President I assume, then becomes the E.U. President. He then enters Peace/Security Agreements with MANY (Arabs and Israel, North Africans). He then breaks his AGREEMENTS in the Middle of the Week (Rev. 6) and goes forth to Conquer the MANY he has made Agreements with, in other words he RENEGES.

    This is of course a FALSEHOOD, Israel Repents before the Day of the Lord. Common sense would tell you that if you would listen, scriptures tell us that in MANY PLACES, but common sense tells you Israel would not obey Jesus' voice to Flee unto Edom/Wilderness unless they were a Repented Nation hearing Jesus' voice. And why would God protect Israel if they has not yet REPENTED? Common sense tells us they have already repented and serve Jesus/God by this time, yet you have them accepting a fake christ....NOPE....He goes forth to Conquer.

    Israel have already accepted Christ, why would they think they are under the Old Testament Laws? This is vivid imagination brother, but is not truth. Rev. ch. 6 is the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.

    Not at all.........Jesus fulfilled prophesies when he died right? Thus if I believe he fulfilled prophesies does that make me whatever you stated? NOPE.........John 5:43 was fulfilled in 70 AD because Jesus was talking to the Pharisees at his time. They put forth Messiahs to save them at that time, knowing Rome was the Fourth Beast.

    You just called it a Half.....The Anti-Christ comes forth in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK (HALF WAY) and this Rev. chapter 6 is HALFWAY......Common Sense.
     
  6. Douggg

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    The transgression of desolation, the 2Thessalonians2:4 act, triggers the Day of Lord. Then a short time later, the Abomination of Desolation triggers the great tribulation.

    The Jews, Israel, become Christians after the Day of the Lord begins, shocked that their perceived messiah King of Israel went into temple and claims to be God.

    And a short time later, when the Abomination of Desolation is setup, placed in the temple, Matthew 24:15, they begin to flee into the wilderness, as the two witnesses battle the beast.

    acronyms:
    TOD - transgression of desolation - 2Thessalonians2:4 act
    AOD - abomination of desolation - Revelation 13:14-15 image

    day 1.........day unknownTOD.....day1185AOD.....1335days...... day 2520 Jesus returns.


    day 1...........day 1185 AOD....two witnesses vs beast... Jews flee......day 1260 two witnesses killed..... 3 1/2 days....day 1263.5 the two witnesses ascend... 42 months left beast rule absent the two witnesses begins.

    day 1....... day 1263.5 two witnesses ascend, 7th trumpet sounds ......war in heaven takes place, Satan cast down......a time, times, half times left..... the AOD speaking, demanding worship begins.
     
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  7. BABerean2

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    It is much more likely that the exact opposite will happen.

    Most would accept the wicked man as their Messiah.

    The Day of the Lord is the day of Christ's Second Coming, based on 2 Peter 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10.

    There will be no second chances at His Second Coming, based on the parable of the virgins.



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  8. David Kent

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    A tale of two cities, Two Women, Two churches

    CONTRASTED VISIONS OF BABYLON AND JERUSALEM, THE HARLOT AND THE BRIDE

    “The whore that sitteth upon many waters."

    • “The Bride, the Lamb's wife."
    " Babylon the Great."
    • “The Holy Jerusalem."
    "There came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying, Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:"
    • “There came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the Bride, the Lamb's wife.”
    So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”
    • “And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me" (the Bride, the Lamb's wife, under another symbol) (Rev. xxi. 9, 10)
    "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: and upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.
    • "To her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints" (Rev. xix. 8). This Bride is described as "The Holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God: and her light like unto a stone most precious" (Rev. xxi. 10, II)
    "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Rev. xvii. 1-6).
    • The dragon persecuted the woman," and the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. xii, 13-17)
    Babylon the Great, The Harlot, the Roman Church.
    • The Holy Jerusalem, The Bride, the true church,
     
  9. jgr

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    Here's Israel:

    Abraham lineage

    DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

    Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

    Genetically, Israel now exists in the entire human race.

    The entire human race will become Christians after the Day of the Lord begins?

    That is an aged cult known as universalism.

    If the Jews were still a subset of the human race (which they no longer are), it would still be universalism -- Jewish universalism.
     
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  10. Douggg

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    Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. Abraham was never Israel.

    The woman in Revelation 12 is the nation of Israel, founded by Jacob and his (4) wives, having the 12 sons.

    No, everyone will not become Christians after the Day of the Lord begins.
     
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  11. jgr

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    With only two generations separating Abraham from Jacob/Israel, it's safe to say that Jacob's DNA is also ubiquitous in the human race.

    Of the three articles cited (all of which originate in "Jewish" communities), the last two make no mention of Jacob at all.

    The first article that does states the following:
    "The Jewish people regard Abraham as their original forefather, the father of Isaac, and the grandfather of Jacob."

    The Jews of Christ's day always declared their ancestry as Abrahamic, not Jacobic.
     
  12. Douggg

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    To be a Jew, a person's mother - not the father - has to be a Jew. You can go to any Jewish website and they will tell you this.
     
  13. jgr

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    But Scripture does not use that definition. It is always defined there as Abrahamic ancestry.
     
  14. Douggg

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    It does if you go to Ezra 10:44, start reading there.

    When Ezra came back to Jerusalem from the Babylonian captivity, he was shocked that many of the caretaker Jews had married foreign wives and had children by them.

    This was a repeat of what Solomon did. Solomon, taking wives and concubines from the surrounding peoples who brought with them their foreign gods, and idols were set all over the land, influencing Judah to get into idol worship. Resulting in the Babylonian captivity.

    Shamed by Ezra when he had a big meeting with the caretaker Jews that they had repeated Solomon's folly, their solution was to send all their foreign wives and children they had with them away.

    From wikepedia - Jew. matrinlineal - means by their mother. halakhic is Jewish law.

    "Historical definitions of Jewish identity have traditionally been based on halakhic definitions of matrilineal descent, and halakhic conversions."
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    In the bible, the phrase - Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - refers to the forefathers of the nation of Israel.

    Does not apply to us Christians (those of us who are not a Jew by natural birth).
     
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  15. jgr

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    There is no discussion or mention of ethnicity in that passage. The issue was the spiritual seduction and apostasy resulting from marriage to pagan women who did not embrace the Old Covenant. Those who did embrace it would have been considered Jewish under proselytic provisions.

    No Jews of Christ's day ever expressed their Jewishness with reference to matrilineality.
     
  16. Douggg

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    The twelve tribes coming out of Egypt given the commandments were told not to intermarry outside of the twelve tribes. The twelve tribes, known as the children of Israel, is their ethnicity.

    Ezra's prayer of confession in Ezra's 9:11-13 is based up the prohibition about marrying outside of the tribes in Exodus 34:15-16, Deuteronomy 7:3.

    Back in Jesus day, it was well established not to have foreign wives outside of the twelve tribes ethnicity. So it wasn't necessary to make a definition of who was a Jew or not. Jesus's mother was a Jew.
     
  17. jgr

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    I think we've digressed somewhat. The prohibition was to minimize spiritual dilution. It failed dismally.

    But none of that has prevented the proliferation of the Abrahamic genome throughout the whole human race, as genetic science demonstrates, and the "Jewish" community acknowledges. This is a further confirmation of the irrelevance of ethnicity as a spiritual criterion, as Scripture itself has long declared (Galatians 3:28,29).
     
  18. Douggg

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    Again Abraham was not Jacob. Jacob's name was changed to Israel. The twelve tribes originate with the twelve sons of Jacob, Israel.

    Abraham was the father of
    Ishmael
    Isaac
    Zimran
    Jokshan
    Medan
    Midian
    Ishbak
    Shuah
     
  19. jgr

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    From Abraham lineage it is the Cohen gene of Aaron which is the genetic marker of significance in research which would include dispersal and proliferation. Since Aaron was a descendant of Jacob, Jacob's DNA would be as or more ubiquitous within the human race.
     
  20. David Kent

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    So Boaz wasn't a Jew, he married Ruth who wasn't a Jew, so was David a Jew?
     
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