Anti-Christ European Have I found the framework for the Seven Year Covenant?(Agreement)

[Cat Loaf You]

Its called the 70th week for a reason, because its SEVEN YEARS, the IT you are referring t is Gods Wrath which starts when the FIRST SEAL is opened, thus the Anti-Christ comes forth in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK, just like Daniel 9:27 stated he would. Everything in Revelation revolves around 1260 days on either side of the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. You have a 3.5 years of Peace/Security, then Gods Wrath is 3.5 years. He allows the Anti-Christ to conquer Jerusalem which makes hi a Beast for 42 Months. (1260 days).

I understand that , but peace treaty itself is broken in middle of 70th week so itself it will last only 3,5 years .

 

[Davy]

Mmm Davy,

I think you may have to rethink. So going by what you say the 10 kings get rid of the `city` - Jerusalem, burn it with fire.....but then we read that the A/C goes over there later and sets up his government.

Can`t have it both ways - burn Jerusalem then go and use it.

Marilyn.

The main desolation for the end of this world is in regards to false worship. And that is how the woman of Rev.17, which is a "great city", is made desolate, naked, etc., which is merely an expression and not that the kings will literally burn her or eat her flesh.

 

[Davy]

I disagree with you. Show me what is future in Daniel 11.

The event of the "vile person" making a "league" in Jerusalem, and establishing the old covenant ("holy covenant") again there, with sacrifices, and then his having the abomination that makes desolate placed instead of those sacrifices. That was not fulfilled by Antiochus like many say, because Jesus foretold of the "abomination of desolation" idol long after Antiochus has been dead.

To this end the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem are working today, in preparing to build another temple while waiting for Messiah to come. Some of them have already been doing passover sacrifices year to year on a hill overlooking the temple mount, and that at least since the late 1990's. They do not recognize the New Covenant but still believe they are under the old covenant, which involved sacrifices and a temple in Jerusalem.

 

[Davy]

• Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Which great city ruled over the world in John's day? A = ROME.

Only two empires in scripture have been named as cities, Babylon and Rome.

The Rev.17 events of the Babylon harlot was not about John's day. He looked to the future for the 7th king that still was yet to come. And that 7th beast king is still yet to appear in Jerusalem today, but he's coming at the end of this world.

 

[Revealing Times]

I understand that , but peace treaty itself is broken in middle of 70th week so itself it will last only 3,5 years .

Just like most everyone, you get the language used a wee bit confused. We call the end times the Tribulation because Jesus stated that there would be Greater tribulation than ever seen before at these end of time events, he quoted Daniel. Tribulation of course means troubles, thus Jacobs Troubles is synonymous with these Greatest Troubles ever, because the bible is mostly about Israel.

Gods Wrath against the nations (Babylon) is not really Jacobs Troubles unless you think God is coming against Israel. So the 3.5 Years of Gods Wrath IS NOT Jacobs Troubles per se. That is basically the whole Seven Year Period. Its a wee designed to get Israel to repent from her wayward ways. God decreed 70 weeks of Judgment against Jerusalem/Israel and her peoples. By the time this 70th week is finished the prophecy says Israel will have repented. These TROUBLES are designed to get Israel to have to depend upon God once again.

Once the Rapture happens Israel will be in a world minus any Christians save the Remnant Church. Even the Peace/Security will be forced upon them via threats from Europe, it an Agreement that places Israel in harms way, it will be akin to Obama's treatment of Israel, we all know he hates Israel. So the "PEACE" is really a part of the "Troubles of Jacob". The final 3.5 years not so much, God is protecting Israel in the Wilderness. So during Gods Wrath Israel is protected.

Jacobs Troubles will last the full Seven Years, because there will be Jews that can not make it unto the Wilderness, thus the final 3.5 years remain Jacobs Troubles also, but the Greatest Troubles ever will b a specific time period around the Middle of the Week when the Dragon chases the Woman (Israel) unto the Wilderness and kills as many Jews elsewhere as he can find. This is the Greatest Troubles ever Jesus spoke of.

Gods Wrath is however coming on the Nations/World/Babylon at the same time, thus the cry of the Angel, "Come out of her my people (Israel) that you take not part in her plagues".

We have Tribulation now, Israel will have troubles all Seven Years, they will have a small period of time which will be the Greatest Troubles Ever seen, but the final Seven Years is not the Great Tribulation, nor is the 3.5 Years in reality, but is a sliver of time in which the Anti-Christ/Beast comes against the Jews to destroy them and they flee unto the protective hands of God in the Wilderness.

1.) The Seven Years is Jacobs Troubles, its the whole Seven Year Period.

2.) The Wrath of God is a 3.5 Year Period od Wrath God brings against the Whole World.(Babylon)

3.) The Greatest Troubles Ever is not the whole Seven Years nor the whole 3.5 Years, its a specific time when the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem and comes after all Jews to kill them but they Flee from him unto the Wilderness and this Greatest Troubles Ever ceases to be the Greatest Troubles Ever because that time has passed. He can not get at the 1/3 of the Jews who God is protecting and he has already killed most of the 2/3 of the Jews he is going to kill. So that GREATEST TROUBLES EVER, has a limited time frame.

The Seven years and the 3.5 years are not the same as the Greatest Troubles Ever.

 

[David Kent]

The Rev.17 events of the Babylon harlot was not about John's day. He looked to the future for the 7th king that still was yet to come. And that 7th beast king is still yet to appear in Jerusalem today, but he's coming at the end of this world.

John was telling the church what the great city is. At the time of writing it was Rome. Today, indirectly it is still Rome.

Just like most everyone, you get the language used a wee bit confused. We call the end times the Tribulation because Jesus stated that there would be Greater tribulation than ever seen before at these end of time events, he quoted Daniel. Tribulation of course means troubles, thus Jacobs Troubles is synonymous with these Greatest Troubles ever, because the bible is mostly about Israel.

Gods Wrath against the nations (Babylon) is not really Jacobs Troubles unless you think God is coming against Israel. So the 3.5 Years of Gods Wrath IS NOT Jacobs Troubles per se. That is basically the whole Seven Year Period. Its a wee designed to get Israel to repent from her wayward ways. God decreed 70 weeks of Judgment against Jerusalem/Israel and her peoples. By the time this 70th week is finished the prophecy says Israel will have repented. These TROUBLES are designed to get Israel to have to depend upon God once again.

Once the Rapture happens Israel will be in a world minus any Christians save the Remnant Church. Even the Peace/Security will be forced upon them via threats from Europe, it an Agreement that places Israel in harms way, it will be akin to Obama's treatment of Israel, we all know he hates Israel. So the "PEACE" is really a part of the "Troubles of Jacob". The final 3.5 years not so much, God is protecting Israel in the Wilderness. So during Gods Wrath Israel is protected.

Jacobs Troubles will last the full Seven Years, because there will be Jews that can not make it unto the Wilderness, thus the final 3.5 years remain Jacobs Troubles also, but the Greatest Troubles ever will b a specific time period around the Middle of the Week when the Dragon chases the Woman (Israel) unto the Wilderness and kills as many Jews elsewhere as he can find. This is the Greatest Troubles ever Jesus spoke of.

Gods Wrath is however coming on the Nations/World/Babylon at the same time, thus the cry of the Angel, "Come out of her my people (Israel) that you take not part in her plagues".

We have Tribulation now, Israel will have troubles all Seven Years, they will have a small period of time which will be the Greatest Troubles Ever seen, but the final Seven Years is not the Great Tribulation, nor is the 3.5 Years in reality, but is a sliver of time in which the Anti-Christ/Beast comes against the Jews to destroy them and they flee unto the protective hands of God in the Wilderness.

1.) The Seven Years is Jacobs Troubles, its the whole Seven Year Period.

2.) The Wrath of God is a 3.5 Year Period od Wrath God brings against the Whole World.(Babylon)

3.) The Greatest Troubles Ever is not the whole Seven Years nor the whole 3.5 Years, its a specific time when the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem and comes after all Jews to kill them but they Flee from him unto the Wilderness and this Greatest Troubles Ever ceases to be the Greatest Troubles Ever because that time has passed. He can not get at the 1/3 of the Jews who God is protecting and he has already killed most of the 2/3 of the Jews he is going to kill. So that GREATEST TROUBLES EVER, has a limited time frame.

The Seven years and the 3.5 years are not the same as the C.

Again you are misquoting scripture. It nowhere says "So that GREATEST TROUBLES EVER" it says "SUCH AS." meaning just what it says. It was referring to the Roman war AD 66-70.

 

[Marilyn C]

The main desolation for the end of this world is in regards to false worship. And that is how the woman of Rev.17, which is a "great city", is made desolate, naked, etc., which is merely an expression and not that the kings will literally burn her or eat her flesh.

Hi Davy,
So are you saying that the 10 kings will make the city desolate? Then why do the kings, the merchants etc bewail when God destroys the city!!! (Rev. 18: 9 -19)

Marilyn.

 

[Revealing Times]

Again you are misquoting scripture. It nowhere says "So that GREATEST TROUBLES EVER" it says "SUCH AS." meaning just what it says. It was referring to the Roman war AD 66-70.

Once again, you clearly show you know nothing abut prophecy at all. Jesus is quoting Daniel:

Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Such as means the time being spoken about, the word SUCH AS means nothing in reality, except hes speaking about the times of GREATEST TROUBLES EVER. SUCH AS.......those times. But it doesn't mean the 70 AD event, I have proven that countless times. Its kind of a juvenile basics that's being missed here, those that can't get this timing right are not even on milk much less ready to eat meat.

Match three scriptures together and tell me when they are. If they aren't end times I will eat my brand new hat. WATCH AND LEARN FRIENDO:

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up (Rev. 12), the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt {{SEE THIS ? END TIME EVENT !!. At the TIME OF TROUBLE we have have JUDGMENT and RESURRECTION. }}

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, {whoso readeth, let him understand}16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

{{ Abomination of Desolation is an END TIME EVENT !! Except those days should be shortened, can you not see that? END TIMES !! False Prophet and Ant-Christ working Miracles. }}

Rev. 12:6 And the woman(Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days(1260 Days). 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Michael STAND UP); and the dragon fought and his angels,

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (1260 Days), from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood(Anti-Christ/Beast Army) after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Remnant Church saved after the Rapture), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

{{ These three passages go together. They are END TIME PASSAGES and can be nothing else. Daniel 12:2 tells of RESURRECTION at the time of these TROUBLES !! Jesus quotes Daniel, thus hes quoting an END TIME SCRIPTURE, then Jesus says if these days were not shortened NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED (End times) and tells Israel to FLEE JUDEA when they see this Abomination of Desolation to the Wilderness, and we see in Rev. 12 Michael STANDS UP, just like in Daniel 12, and thus its an END TIME SCRIPTURE, and God protects Israel for 1260 Days, and nowhere in 70 AD did God protect Israel for 3.5 years in a Wilderness. The fact is this is pretty simple stuff man. The truth is, some people just don't get prophecy because either they aren't called unto it, or they just can't grasp it. }}

 

[Davy]

Hi Davy,
So are you saying that the 10 kings will make the city desolate? Then why do the kings, the merchants etc bewail when God destroys the city!!! (Rev. 18: 9 -19)

Marilyn.

You have to keep reading in Rev.17, because the 17th verse is connected to that 16th verse you refer to:

Rev 17:16-17
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
KJV

The "desolate and naked" idea is about a spiritual desolating, not a destruction. It is linked with what Jesus foretold about the Gentiles being given to tread the city for 42 months at the end of this world, which is also linked to the dragon's reign of 42 months:

Rev 11:1-2
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
KJV

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV


We're supposed to remember what was written in the previous Revelation chapters prior to the 17th chapter. Rev.17 doesn't stand by itself. Nor does the whole Book of Revelation stand by itself, for it references events written all the way back in the Old Testament Books too.

 

[Davy]

John was telling the church what the great city is. At the time of writing it was Rome. Today, indirectly it is still Rome.

John was not pointing to Rome with the "great city". The Revelation was Christ's giving it to John in order to give it to the seven Churches. John wrote down the visions he was given. When the seven kings of Rev.17 are being mentioned, that is the angel telling John what they represent, not John interpreting for us.

Rev 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

Because of the Daniel prophecy, we know the beast kingdom was Rome represented by the legs of iron which had power over Jerusalem during the Apostle's days, and Domitian being emperor during this time of John in prison on Patmos being the 6th beast king.

But the prophecy goes on past the 6th one, and since the ones prior to the legs of iron were not... about Rome, there is no reason to think the final beast king will be a pope.

Instead, with just a little common sense, it is much easier to realize that the orthodox Jews would never receive a Christian pope as their awaited Messiah, when the requirement those Jews have is that Messiah will be a king of the house of David. And since the prophecy in Daniel about the coming "vile person" or "little horn" is about a false one coming to power as king in Jerusalem using flatteries, then once again we know that could never be about Rome or a pope.

 

[BABerean2]

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

If you do not understand John 10:22, you are not "whoso readeth, let him understand".

The Jews of Jesus day who celebrated Hanukkah each year did "understand" the events of 167BC, when the forces of Antiochus Epiphanes attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the sacrifices for a time. Thousands of Jews would also be killed during 70 AD and the animal sacrifices would be stopped, again.

Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.



Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

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[Marilyn C]

You have to keep reading in Rev.17, because the 17th verse is connected to that 16th verse you refer to:

Rev 17:16-17
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
KJV

The "desolate and naked" idea is about a spiritual desolating, not a destruction. It is linked with what Jesus foretold about the Gentiles being given to tread the city for 42 months at the end of this world, which is also linked to the dragon's reign of 42 months:

Hi Davy,

The 10 kings are also the Gentiles, so you have the Gentiles making themselves `spiritually desolate.` Sounds confusing to me.

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

We have Tribulation now, Israel will have troubles all Seven Years, they will have a small period of time which will be the Greatest Troubles Ever seen, but the final Seven Years is not the Great Tribulation, nor is the 3.5 Years in reality, but is a sliver of time in which the Anti-Christ/Beast comes against the Jews to destroy them and they flee unto the protective hands of God in the Wilderness.

RT, you have misinterpreted the 1335 days in Daniel 12 as to pertaining to when the two witnesses appear - instead of when the AOD is setup.

The great tribulation begins when the AOD is setup on day 1185, then the two witnesses killed day 1260, the rising day 1263.5, then the 7th trumpet sounds, then the war in heaven, then Satan cast down, with the time, times, half times left.

The great tribulation lasts not a sliver of time, but 1335 days.

When Michael the angel stands up in Daniel 12 for Daniel's people - it is the same as in Revelation 12 Michael standing up and waring with Satan and his angels. Satan and his angels cast down with a time, times, half times left.

That Satan is currently accusing the Jews, because their sins are not covered by the blood of Christ, will end - because when the Jews flee into the wilderness they will turn to Jesus.

When Satan and his angels are cast down, the Jews will already be in the wilderness, because they begin to flee on day 1185; will then they will piece together all the chaos that has taken place and will realize the mistake they made with the Antichrist, and turn to Jesus.

Thus it is written, when Satan is cast down to earth, of the Jews - Salvation has come to them, they accept the gospel of Salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ - in Revelation 12:10


10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [to the Jews], and strength, and the kingdom of our God [to the Jews], and the power of his Christ [to the Jews]: for the accuser of our brethren [the Jews] is cast down, which accused them [the Jews] before our God day and night.

 

[BABerean2]

Thus it is written, when Satan is cast down to earth, of the Jews - Salvation has come to them, they accept the gospel of Salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ - in Revelation 12:10


10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [to the Jews], and strength, and the kingdom of our God [to the Jews], and the power of his Christ [to the Jews]: for the accuser of our brethren [the Jews] is cast down, which accused them [the Jews] before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


When did we start adding words to the text to make our doctrine work?

The word "Jew" is not there, so how do you justify adding it?

What happened to Sola Scriptura?

They are those who are under the blood of the Lamb, as revealed by the passage in context.
Nobody can be under the blood of the Lamb without being a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The verse above shows the spiritual condition of earthly Jerusalem near the time of the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.

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[Douggg]

When did we start adding words to the text to make our doctrine work?

The word "Jew" is not there, so how do you justify adding it?

What happened to Sola Scriptura?

They are those who are under the blood of the Lamb, as revealed by the passage in context.
Nobody can be under the blood of the Lamb without being a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.

The two witnesses, who will be killed, right before Satan is cast down, will be killed for their testimony of Jesus. The 144,000 in Revelation 14, who also have the testimony of Jesus, will be Jews.

Revelation 12:10, the timing doesn't fit the church. The church has had salvation for the past two thousand years. Revelation 12:10 applies to when the Jews will receive the gospel of salvation.

It will be in the middle part of the 7 years.

Nobody can be under the blood of the Lamb without being a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.

No you are wrong about that. Nobody can be under the blood of the Lamb without accepting the gospel of Salvation. Revelation 12 is not about the church.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The verse above shows the spiritual condition of earthly Jerusalem near the time of the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.

What it shows is that for most of the first half of the 7 years, Jerusalem will have embraced the Antichrist, thinking he is their messiah, King of Israel.

Before he betrays them and the covenant God made with them that he would be their God - when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation in 2Thessalonians2:4. And shortly thereafter becomes the beast
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BAB2, you need to do a rethink, or maybe we should say refresh. It is the human race, us, against them - Satan and his angels. Which we, as Christians, have become new creations in Christ.

The Jews, the Muslims, the Hindus - are all part of the human race. Satan and his angels have deceived them. But they are all part of our human race, which therefore, we seek for them salvation in Christ.

Focus in on the enemy. The Jews have their issues. Everyone knows that. But you are allowing yourself to get sidetracked - just what the enemy wants.

 

[Davy]

Hi Davy,

The 10 kings are also the Gentiles, so you have the Gentiles making themselves `spiritually desolate.` Sounds confusing to me.

Marilyn.

The Gentiles treading the city for 42 months per Rev.11 is the same timing the dragon of Rev.13 is given to reign, and what that dragon does per Rev.13:4-7 is linked with the Daniel prophecy about the "little horn" in Dan.7 & 8, and the "vile person" in Dan.11. And that is specifically linked to the placing of the "abomination of DESOLATION" idol which will spiritually desolate the temple in Jerusalem at the end of this world by Antichrist.

But you know all this already, I'm sure. You apparently have some kind of block that won't allow you to admit it.

 

[BABerean2]

The two witnesses, who will be killed, right before Satan is cast down, will be killed for their testimony of Jesus. The 144,000 in Revelation 14, who also have the testimony of Jesus, will be Jews.

Revelation 12:10, the timing doesn't fit the church. The church has had salvation for the past two thousand years. Revelation 12:10 applies to when the Jews will receive the gospel of salvation.

It will be in the middle part of the 7 years.



No you are wrong about that. Nobody can be under the blood of the Lamb without accepting the gospel of Salvation. Revelation 12 is not about the church.



What it shows is that for most of the first half of the 7 years, Jerusalem will have embraced the Antichrist, thinking he is their messiah, King of Israel.

Before he betrays them and the covenant God made with them that he would be their God - when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation in 2Thessalonians2:4. And shortly thereafter becomes the beast
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BAB2, you need to do a rethink, or maybe we should say refresh. It is the human race, us, against them - Satan and his angels. Which we, as Christians, have become new creations in Christ.

The Jews, the Muslims, the Hindus - are all part of the human race. Satan and his angels have deceived them. But they are all part of our human race, which therefore, we seek for them salvation in Christ.

Focus in on the enemy. The Jews have their issues. Everyone knows that. But you are allowing yourself to get sidetracked - just what the enemy wants.

There is no excuse for adding words to the text.
If you want to add your explanation below it in parenthesis that would be fine, but adding to the text is wrong.

Accepting the Gospel is what puts a person under the blood of the Lamb.
The two cannot be separated.

Most of the 12 tribes no longer exist as a pure bloodline, since the northern tribes were carried into captivity over 500 years before the time of Christ.
Therefore, the 144,000 has to be symbolic or it has to refer to OT Saints, now in heaven.
Otherwise, you are trying to do something similar to recreating the now extinct the woolly mammoth.
Most of those 12 tribes are now extinct as a pure bloodline. This is a scientific fact, based on modern DNA science.

You also appear to be trying to remove the Church from the planet before the Second Coming, just like that branch of theology that you claim not to be a part of.

Claiming that those who do not agree with you are falling victim to the enemy, is another favorite tactic of those who promote that doctrine that you claim not to be a part of.

You can do better than that.


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[Douggg]

There is no excuse for adding words to the text.
If you want to add your explanation below it in parenthesis that would be fine, but adding to the text is wrong.

Could you please show me anywhere in the KJV online at this link, where anything that is intended to be part of the text is in brackets. It is obvious that I was making my comments in the brackets, and not adding to the text. And my post was to RT, who is intimately familiar wit the text.

REVELATION CHAPTER 12 KJV

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Claiming that those who do not agree with you are falling victim to the enemy, is another favorite tactic of those who promote that doctrine that you claim not to be a part of.

You are twisting what I wrote.

 

[Douggg]

The Gentiles treading the city for 42 months per Rev.11 is the same timing the dragon of Rev.13 is given to reign, and what that dragon does per Rev.13:4-7 is linked with the Daniel prophecy about the "little horn" in Dan.7 & 8, and the "vile person" in Dan.11. And that is specifically linked to the placing of the "abomination of DESOLATION" idol which will spiritually desolate the temple in Jerusalem at the end of this world by Antichrist.

What it actually indicates is the beast - not the dragon - reigns for 42 months.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[David Kent]

There is no excuse for adding words to the text.
If you want to add your explanation below it in parenthesis that would be fine, but adding to the text is wrong.

Accepting the Gospel is what puts a person under the blood of the Lamb.
The two cannot be separated.

Most of the 12 tribes no longer exist as a pure bloodline, since the northern tribes were carried into captivity over 500 years before the time of Christ.
Therefore, the 144,000 has to be symbolic or it has to refer to OT Saints, now in heaven.
Otherwise, you are trying to do something similar to recreating the now extinct the woolly mammoth.
Most of those 12 tribes are now extinct as a pure bloodline. This is a scientific fact, based on modern DNA science.

You also appear to be trying to remove the Church from the planet before the Second Coming, just like that branch of theology that you claim not to be a part of.

Claiming that those who do not agree with you are falling victim to the enemy, is another favorite tactic of those who promote that doctrine that you claim not to be a part of.

You can do better than that.


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I mostly agree with you, but some of the other tribes returned when Cyrus gave permission, many Jews didn't. The only other tribe I know in the NT that supports that is the tribe of Asher.

• Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;