Yeah, exactly. So if you don't sin, you follow the law.
cont...
So why do I need a Savior again then?
fulfill=Pleroo from the Greek.
to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
I abound, I am liberally supplied
to render full, i.e. to complete
to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
to consummate: a number
to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
of matters of duty: to perform, execute
of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
I don't see to be ignored, or "done away with" anywhere in that definition.
"If you believe that you must do works to be justified of God, then you are judged on your works "
Matt. 25 you quote. I mentioned Matt. 7:21-23, funny how the similar "depart from me, I never knew you" is also mentioned HERE in this chapter. Also, note that you DO go away, if you DON'T do certain things. 25:41-46 which, btw happens to be a recall of Is. 58 in relation to the commandments of the stranger or sojourner. (Kind of a big deal in the OT)
You mention Matt. 7 as "belief". No, you can't muddy this up in a "head knowledge" kind of way.
I know this is a common interpretation of this verse, as I myself also interpreted it this way, but it is wrong. Read earlier in the chapter. vs 13-14
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Doesn't say "make it". Doesn't say "endure", it says FIND IT.
So if the Jews are teaching the Oral & (now) written Talmud of the Pharisees & if the church is saying "the Law is done away with", then no wonder no one can "find it" bc no one is PREACHING IT.
" If you seek to do works to be justified, you have already fallen short "
Already adressed.
"if you seek to have faith and trust in Christ alone to be saved, you have already passed into life"
Poppycock. If that's correct exegesis, then why do we have verses like " John 15:
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Sounds like a "once saved" person to me.
Phil. 2:12 says "WORK OUT your salvation with fear & trembling."
There's that 4 letter word again; work.
Matt. 24:13 "He that ENDURES until the end shall be saved."
Funny how these "problem passages" in Christianity go away when you realize you're actually supossed to DO SOMETHING now huh? Instead of some Greek "mental assertion" gymnastics.
As for your BOLDED Phil. 3:9 comment?
vs. 3 says 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
And in ch. 2 Paul ALSO said:
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
You're forgetting here that THIS letter is "TO THE JEWS".
Which means, you're applying these verses to ppl who are NOT "Jews" by your very own application. aka, you're trying to make a point out of context, to a ppl that the letter was never written FOR, to begin with!
"You obviously misunderstand this; Paul is literally saying, YOU HAVE TO PERFECTLY KEEP THE LAW TO BE JUSTIFIED, AND YOU DO NOT"
I obviously don't. Again, already answered. (Is. 64)
"and there is not one person without sin."
I like Ecc. too. Here's my fave.
Ecc. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
So simple even a cave man can understand it.
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You need Jesus, my friend. You obviously are trusting the works of your own righteousness according to the law, just like the Pharisees did."
You think I'm denying Jesus by obeying Torah. Idiocy. You would make Jesus anti-christ by denying what HE HIMSELF LIVED. 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
"You're a modern day Pharisee."
Now I'm a "judahizier"? Wow, that's interesting, because the Pharisees DIDN'T FOLLOW THE LAW AT ALL & KEPT THE TRADITIONS OF MEN INSTEAD! Here I am, quoting BOTH the OT & the NT, back & forth & yet I'm a "Judahizer".
lmbo. wow, talk about screwed up definitions & application!
Let's finish this with the "Gospel" of Jesus Christ, why not?
Christianity's definition of the "Gospel" is the "death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ, right?
Faith 101, yes?
Then take a stab at this then.
John 20:
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
So the Gospel the apostles preached, included the resurrection; even though they didn't know it yet.
Luke 24:
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
So the "Gospel" the apostles preached included something they DIDN'T BELIEVE IN, initially.
1 Cor. 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
So they preached a Gospel. (Luke 9) that had the enemy known, they could have STOPPED.
Hmm. I wonder whose really blind here.
ETA: changed Luke 10 to Luke 9 at end.