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I've never been able to get a good answer to this... What brand of fiddle does the devil play?
ask Charlie Daniels, he knows
They are a punk band. This hasn't been a punishment for them it has been a reward, they're infamous. Being infamous for a punk band dictates people are going to talk about them and sing their crumby music for decades. I don't think Russia realizes how many record deals they are going to have after all is said and done and how many devoted fans they have given these women. You really want to hurt a performer force them into obscurity, don't give them free press!
Thank you for weighing in on this, Rus. I did find the spokesman's language a bit odd and not really on. I thought it was a bad translation or something, but I see it wasn't. What a shame.Hello from your own TAW reporter on things Russian from the inside!
First of all, most media reports are WILDLY slanted in favor of one view - that the young women did nothing wrong, just "expressed themselves" and that the government and the Church (often confused as as the same thing) are big, bad institutions that are against freedom. Everything you read is going to slant that way. We immediately get when the Church is attacked, but we might not get other aspects of the thing.
That said, of course the Russian government handled everthing wrongly. The near-universal consensus is that they should immediately have been given several months of community service - I advocated in an Orthodox hospice, orphanage or soup kitchen, myself, to see exactly what one of the two things they were attacking really does.
Now the issue is cannon fodder to make the Church look bad - and I'm afraid there IS bad on our part. The general spokesman - Vsevolod Chaplin - has been extremely disappointing - a spokesman is supposed to make our position clear, and he makes it fuzzy. The general populace NEEDS to understand what exactly forgiveness is, and how effective it is and who benefits if the forgiven party doesn't repent. Yet Chaplin's statements, even in context, do not make any of this clear. He says exactly the things that they can use to make us sound like holier-than-thou neanderthals, and I can't believe he is consistently saying all of that on his own authority - which has rather dismal implications. In plain language, it looks as if the Patriarchate, through those few statements and otherwise by silence on the part of everybody in the upper hierarchy, that the Patriarch/ate is supporting... what the government is doing - in spite of the universal opinion of everyone on the ground.
So we lose. We had a fantastic chance to show the world what the Church teaches and close this case in a slam-dunk, and didn't.
It also leaves me feeling that the hierarchy of the Church here in Russia has really let us down.
Thank you for weighing in on this, Rus. I did find the spokesman's language a bit odd and not really on. I thought it was a bad translation or something, but I see it wasn't. What a shame.
ha ha.Maybe the translator was Ukrainian or something?
They're like a Siberian form of Green Day! LOL
The poor Russians they have no idea what sort of torment truly awaits their ears! They have only a heard thimble full of how bad screeching will be.
The general populace NEEDS to understand what exactly forgiveness is, and how effective it is and who benefits if the forgiven party doesn't repent.
Because that's what Christ did. Forgave those who crucified Him, those who hated Him. We are to follow His example.Please consider me part of the general population, as a non-Christian, and explain this to me. Why should anyone be forgiven who doesn't repent? Did these women repent? And empty apology is not repentance. I would like to read their apology to see if it at least sounds sincere.
So then you would forgive a murderer and let him go free? No punishment for any crime?Because that's what Christ did. Forgave those who crucified Him, those who hated Him. We are to follow His example.
When did I say that? No, that's what jails are for.So then you would forgive a murderer and let him go free? No punishment for any crime?
So then you would forgive a murderer and let him go free? No punishment for any crime?
you forgive the murderer or rapist or whatever and keep the jail cell locked. Christ, although He opened the doors of Paradise to the wise thief, did not heal him or pull him down from the cross. in fact, one of the things that showed his faith in who he was crucified next to, was that he knew he was justly punished for what he had done.
It's called safety. Common sense that you don't let a person out into the public again for the safety of the public. It's a Christian tenet - forgiveness and repentance.I believe you are referring to the end of Luke. Note that there were two criminals hanging next to Jesus and Jesus only opened the doors of Paradise to the criminal who recognized his own sin and confessed to it, not to the other unrepentant criminal. And this backs my point of view, not the standard modern Christian point of view.
In any case the whole idea of forgiving a person but keeping him in jail makes no sense to me. It seems like hypocrisy, something Jesus repeatedly condemned. If you forgive someone, then your actions should show this. God explained the whole idea of repentance and forgiveness very clearly in Ezekiel 33:7-20.
We forgive them, the State still has their job to carry out.I believe you are referring to the end of Luke. Note that there were two criminals hanging next to Jesus and Jesus only opened the doors of Paradise to the criminal who recognized his own sin and confessed to it, not to the other unrepentant criminal. And this backs my point of view, not the standard modern Christian point of view.
In any case the whole idea of forgiving a person but keeping him in jail makes no sense to me. It seems like hypocrisy, something Jesus repeatedly condemned. If you forgive someone, then your actions should show this. God explained the whole idea of repentance and forgiveness very clearly in Ezekiel 33:7-20.
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