Has anyone seen a refutation of this list?

[Clare73]

That's actually a good question. At first blush, one would think: "Well there's not actually anyone dying of Covid who doesn't die in a hospital". But of course that doesn't count people in care home settings. (Nursing homes, group homes, permanent resident hospitals etc.)

Those people would be compiled from other type sources like the Medicare data base, or the VA data base. And the percentage of people vaccinated in those settings would be near 100%.

And getting totals on those types of numbers can be more complicated for the "citizen investigative reporter" because you'd have to start "web crawling" department of health data bases from individual counties.

And likely, no matter what you do to try and collect the data; you're going to get skewed info. For example; the death count for those in Sweden who died of Covid are only recorded for those who died in a hospital. Anyone in a care home setting who contracted a respiratory or "other type Covid looking" illness, wasn't tested, wasn't tracked, wasn't taken to the hospital. They were just allowed to die. The same thing happened in Britain. Some whistle blowing nursing staff (and actually morticians too) were saying that they were basically euthanizing elderly people by over sedating them. "Oh, they're sick." They give them too much morphine and they die. There's a lot of that type of thing going on. Particularly in "socially progressive" countries.

Which this is likely one reason why we have a global uptick in "unaccounted for deaths" that started the end of 2019. Death stats for countries that have social security type systems; their death stats are pretty well recorded "somewhere". There's not too many people in the industrialized world who die and the government doesn't record that they've died. And in that annual data are stats on how many people died of heart attacks, car accidents, suicides, cancer, drug overdoses etc.

Now "unaccounted for deaths" are what falls above the statistical norm for "category X" for that country. And here's where it gets tricky to track. Covid vaccine adverse events cover a gambit of reactions. (cardiac, kidney, brain, lung, blood clots) Those are the big ones. Now if you've had 10 million people die of a plethora of "pick an organ system" failure; even if you know the real cause of their death, one could still distribute those people across a variety of categories. Which makes it "easier to hide" except why does nation A have a 40% increase of deaths of people between 50 and 60 years old and nation B doesn't?

Well, if the only mass definable factor is "A" used Covid vaccine and "B" didn't; that is one way a statistician could "rough out" vaccine CFR. Particularly if nation B didn't see as large of over all uptick in deaths as nation A.

The other issue we are having is that governmental health care recording agencies are forever changing their definition of what it means to be "vaccinated".

Currently, CDC is saying one is not "fully vaccinated" until 14 days post "last required shot". Countries in Europe and Israel are doing the same thing. It's a way of massaging the data. "Oh, we'll put this person in the "unvaccinated" category because they died before the 14 days despite the fact they had "all their required shots".

A lot of those people are showing up in vaccine death data bases though. Something like 40% of those who will die from the Covid vaccine will die within 24 hours of getting the shot. The remaining 60% will die within a week. Well now they turn around and say "Well that person was unvaccinated" and they didn't die of vaccine injury they died of Covid; because they... they had blood clots; and we know Covid causes blood clots." Yada yada yada....

Now that number in comparison to all other vaccine deaths is staggering. VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) is a governmental data collection data base on adverse events caused by vaccines. In the VAERS system; it's considered a vaccine death if it occurred within 14 days of getting a vaccine.

In a typical year prior to 2021, between 200 and 450 people a year are recorded to die of all vaccinations combined given to anybody in that year. this includes all vaccines. flu, MMR, polio, tetanus etc. The overall record of most vaccines is pretty good. Most viral vector vaccines are pretty safe.

In 2019 approximately 170 million Americans got the flu vaccine. In that year, 209 of them died from the flu vaccine.

From January 1 through October 8th 2021 approximately 169 million Americans are said by the government o have received a Covid vaccine. (either one or two; or now going on 3 even shots). And as of 10/8/21 I think it was 16,339 people were recorded in VAERS to have died within two weeks of receiving the Covid vaccine. (Open VAERS is updating their data today for this week. They are currently clocking about 400 people a week are dying from the Covid shots.

209 in one year and 16,339 in 9 months. Those are some pretty staggering numbers. And that's not even counting the people who didn't die. There's over 1.5 million adverse events reported to that system related to the Covid shot.

Here's the updated numbers for this week.

Welcome

Now there's a Medicare data base "data leak" that shows more than 50,000 dead from Covid shots in the 64 and over category. And I believe that number is a couple of months old now?

Here's the website of a law firm who's bringing lawsuits against (I think it's the FDA - or CDC or both?) for vaccine deaths. There's at least 2 cases (from differing data leaks and whistleblowers who've come forward) that the affidavits can be found on this website.

COVID Vaccine Cover Up PDF – Renz Law

So.... bit of a warning; if you really want to go down this rabbit hole; it gets deep pretty quick.

No thanks. . .your superb tour is more than adequate and much appreciated.

 

[FreeinChrist]

That's actually a good question. At first blush, one would think: "Well there's not actually anyone dying of Covid who doesn't die in a hospital". But of course that doesn't count people in care home settings. (Nursing homes, group homes, permanent resident hospitals etc.)

Those people would be compiled from other type sources like the Medicare data base, or the VA data base. And the percentage of people vaccinated in those settings would be near 100%.

And getting totals on those types of numbers can be more complicated for the "citizen investigative reporter" because you'd have to start "web crawling" department of health data bases from individual counties.

And likely, no matter what you do to try and collect the data; you're going to get skewed info. For example; the death count for those in Sweden who died of Covid are only recorded for those who died in a hospital. Anyone in a care home setting who contracted a respiratory or "other type Covid looking" illness, wasn't tested, wasn't tracked, wasn't taken to the hospital. They were just allowed to die. The same thing happened in Britain. Some whistle blowing nursing staff (and actually morticians too) were saying that they were basically euthanizing elderly people by over sedating them. "Oh, they're sick." They give them too much morphine and they die. There's a lot of that type of thing going on. Particularly in "socially progressive" countries.

Which this is likely one reason why we have a global uptick in "unaccounted for deaths" that started the end of 2019. Death stats for countries that have social security type systems; their death stats are pretty well recorded "somewhere". There's not too many people in the industrialized world who die and the government doesn't record that they've died. And in that annual data are stats on how many people died of heart attacks, car accidents, suicides, cancer, drug overdoses etc.

Now "unaccounted for deaths" are what falls above the statistical norm for "category X" for that country. And here's where it gets tricky to track. Covid vaccine adverse events cover a gambit of reactions. (cardiac, kidney, brain, lung, blood clots) Those are the big ones. Now if you've had 10 million people die of a plethora of "pick an organ system" failure; even if you know the real cause of their death, one could still distribute those people across a variety of categories. Which makes it "easier to hide" except why does nation A have a 40% increase of deaths of people between 50 and 60 years old and nation B doesn't?

Well, if the only mass definable factor is "A" used Covid vaccine and "B" didn't; that is one way a statistician could "rough out" vaccine CFR. Particularly if nation B didn't see as large of over all uptick in deaths as nation A.

The other issue we are having is that governmental health care recording agencies are forever changing their definition of what it means to be "vaccinated".

Currently, CDC is saying one is not "fully vaccinated" until 14 days post "last required shot". Countries in Europe and Israel are doing the same thing. It's a way of massaging the data. "Oh, we'll put this person in the "unvaccinated" category because they died before the 14 days despite the fact they had "all their required shots".

A lot of those people are showing up in vaccine death data bases though. Something like 40% of those who will die from the Covid vaccine will die within 24 hours of getting the shot. The remaining 60% will die within a week. Well now they turn around and say "Well that person was unvaccinated" and they didn't die of vaccine injury they died of Covid; because they... they had blood clots; and we know Covid causes blood clots." Yada yada yada....

Now that number in comparison to all other vaccine deaths is staggering. VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) is a governmental data collection data base on adverse events caused by vaccines. In the VAERS system; it's considered a vaccine death if it occurred within 14 days of getting a vaccine.

In a typical year prior to 2021, between 200 and 450 people a year are recorded to die of all vaccinations combined given to anybody in that year. this includes all vaccines. flu, MMR, polio, tetanus etc. The overall record of most vaccines is pretty good. Most viral vector vaccines are pretty safe.

In 2019 approximately 170 million Americans got the flu vaccine. In that year, 209 of them died from the flu vaccine.

From January 1 through October 8th 2021 approximately 169 million Americans are said by the government o have received a Covid vaccine. (either one or two; or now going on 3 even shots). And as of 10/8/21 I think it was 16,339 people were recorded in VAERS to have died within two weeks of receiving the Covid vaccine. (Open VAERS is updating their data today for this week. They are currently clocking about 400 people a week are dying from the Covid shots.

209 in one year and 16,339 in 9 months. Those are some pretty staggering numbers. And that's not even counting the people who didn't die. There's over 1.5 million adverse events reported to that system related to the Covid shot.

Here's the updated numbers for this week.

Welcome

Now there's a Medicare data base "data leak" that shows more than 50,000 dead from Covid shots in the 64 and over category. And I believe that number is a couple of months old now?

Here's the website of a law firm who's bringing lawsuits against (I think it's the FDA - or CDC or both?) for vaccine deaths. There's at least 2 cases (from differing data leaks and whistleblowers who've come forward) that the affidavits can be found on this website.

COVID Vaccine Cover Up PDF – Renz Law

So.... bit of a warning; if you really want to go down this rabbit hole; it gets deep pretty quick.

You are depending on VAERS for your numbers?

This is on the VAERS site:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.
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This is key: "VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem,"


This is also from the CDC:

New CDC data shows the risk of dying from Covid-19 is 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than for fully vaccinated adults - CNN

Throughout August, the risk of dying from Covid-19 was 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than for fully vaccinated adults in the United States, according to new data published by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.....

While the risk of cases and deaths have dropped, the CDC data also shows that the rate of hospitalizations among unvaccinated adults has continued to climb, up more than 80% from the first week in August to the last.
Risk ratios vary by age group. For example, the rate of Covid-19 hospitalizations among adults under the age of 50 is about 15 times higher for unvaccinated people than for fully vaccinated people. For those age 50 to 64, the hospitalization rate is 31 times higher for unvaccinated people, and for those age 65 and older, the hospitalization rate is 16 times higher for unvaccinated people.
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How Vaccine Database VAERS Really Works and Why It Doesn't Sho

Americans opposed to the COVID-19 vaccines are focusing attention on a federal website dedicated to possible side effects, using it to sometimes falsely insist that the vaccines have killed thousands of people.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is exactly that, a place to report side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine and others. Anyone can do it.

Managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, it is meant to help detect new or rare side effects, monitor increased instances and help to identify risk factors.

What it is not intended to do: determine whether a vaccine caused a health problem, according to the VAERS website. Information may be incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable, since it is self-reported.

“VAERS is a passive reporting system, which anybody can report to, which means there is no checking,” said Dr. Kawsar R. Talaat, the co-director for clinical research at the Institute for Vaccine Safety at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

“So you could have somebody with serious heart disease who’s had a bunch of different procedures recently who gets the vaccine and three weeks later dies of a heart attack,” she said. “But if they’re frail or have had serious heart disease there is no way to link that vaccine to the heart attack unless you do a population-wide study and that is not what VAERS is.”


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[RDKirk]

read the article above

"Therefore, according to Kingston, multiple COVID-19 inoculations and booster shots are needed to gradually increase the amount of graphene oxide in the body to make the body receptive to electromagnetic radiation."

According to what you quoted, the "receptiveness" would--at some huge level of concentration--result in sickness or death when charged by electrical emissions.

So you're saying the end goal of this vast global conspiracy is to be able to cause sickness and death?

As though governments and industry were not already dispensing sickness and death via chemicals in the fast food industry, industrial pollutants in the air and water, et cetera.

 

[RDKirk]

Do you honestly believe this is a FULL list of the vaccine's ingredients? A Cliff Bar has more ingredients than this!

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE VACCINE?
The vaccine includes the following ingredients:
mRNA,
lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate),
2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide,
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol),
potassium chloride,
monobasic potassium phosphate,
sodium chloride,
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate,
and
sucrose.

I think the secret sauce is in the word "includes".

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download#page=2

"A Cliff Bar has more ingredients than this!"

Exactly. We should all be anti-Cliff Bar agitators!

Actually, I am. I eat whole foods as organic as possible.

 

[The Righterzpen]

You are depending on VAERS for your numbers?

Ask yourself some questions here. Do a little critical thinking on this.

Look at the VAERS data over the past 30 years. There's a great deal of consistency to it. Somewhere between 200 and 450 people per year are reported in that system to have died from vaccines for the past 30 years.

Why all the sudden, (do you suppose) in one year, would a bunch of people (many of them being verified by the CDC as being medical people who reported these cases.); just decide to put 798,634 reports of adverse events in this voluntarily reported data base?

Now think about this a minute.

The CDC knows this information is real because it can be verified by the death certificates. Anybody with a social security number; their death is automatically reported to the Social Security office. There are links between the various governmental agencies to verify who's dead and who isn't. And CDC officials actually do check the reports that are put in the VAERS system. They call the doctor (or coroner) who declared time of death, to verify the information is correct. So, just because it's voluntarily reported information; doesn't mean it's not true.

So they check the death certificates. They check the autopsy reports. They see; these people are dead of blood clots. They're dead of myocarditis. Their dead of kidney failure. Certain populations (teenage boys) who just die of heart attacks? How many teenage boys just die of heart attacks for no apparent cause; other than the only factor they have in common, is that they got this vaccine?

You can look up and read the adverse event reports and decide for yourself whether or not you think this represents the death of a real person?

I simply plugged in some numbers to search this data base. I put in people under 30 years old. It pulled up 231 cases of people under 30 who died after having received one of these vaccines.

Follow the link and read the reports; then come back and tell me whether or not you think this information is real.

Browse the Reports - OpenVAERS

Next: do we see similar trends in other data bases? Yes we do. Theres documents from a Medicare data base where a Department of Defense AI program pulled the data and crunched the numbers.

A whistle blower in the DOD (I'm assuming) leaked this report to a law firm who brought a previous case from another whistle blower to court. You can follow the links in this article and actually find the websites of the agencies they talk about. These agencies really do exist.

BREAKING: AI-powered DoD Data Analysis Program Named “Project Salus” SHATTERS Official Vaccine Narrative, Shows A.D.E. Accelerating in the Fully Vaccinated with Each Passing Week! - Vaccine Impact

Here is another report of a case that was brought in Maine; where they used health department reports in a case health care workers brought against mandates.

https://www.publishedreporter.com/2...e-side-effects-deaths-from-covid-19-vaccines/

And yet another lawsuit brought by lawmakers against the CDC for fudging the Covid data.

Lawmakers Seek Federal Investigation for Manipulated COVID-19 Death Data Collection

Then we have data coming out of other countries.

Israel:
UPDATE: Is Pfizer Vaccine to Blame for Israel’s High COVID Infection Rate?

Now here's the Israeli study. Read it REALLY carefully. It makes comparisons between those who were once considered "fully vaccinated" at 2 doses, as opposed to the beginning of the roll out of the 3rd dose. If the shots continue to need "boosting"; what's the point of the vaccine?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114255

And here is an article about the percentiles vaxxed verses unvaxxed in hospitalizations in British.

Higher Death, Hospitalization Rates Among Vaccinated Individuals: UK COVID-19 Data - Vision Times

Here's an interesting comparison article about Gibraltar and Hillsdale. They are both island nations with comparable populations. Gibraltar is fully vaccinated whereas Hillsdale is nearly totally unvaccinated. And Gibraltar has much higher rates of Covid infection than Hillsdale.

What?Highly Vaccinated Places Getting Surge Of Covid? So You Want The People To Believe In This Vaccination ?

 

[FreeinChrist]

BREAKING: AI-powered DoD Data Analysis Program Named “Project Salus” SHATTERS Official Vaccine Narrative, Shows A.D.E. Accelerating in the Fully Vaccinated with Each Passing Week! - Vaccine Impact

Written by Mike Adams. That says a lot. This is really unsupported conspiracy stuff. He is NOT at all credible.

I think you posted a bunch of spin and bias and may think that it is more intelligent. I do not buy it. You need more credible sources.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Written by Mike Adams. That says a lot. This is really unsupported conspiracy stuff. He is NOT at all credible.

I think you posted a bunch of spin and bias and may think that it is more intelligent. I do not buy it. You need more credible sources.

You need more intellectual honesty!

Don't pay attention to the article author; go look at the links in the article. (That's what I do!) The article mentions a lawyer who's bringing this to court; go look at the documents. Here they are:

COVID Vaccine Cover Up PDF – Renz Law

I gave you that website so you could go look up the links in the website. That DOD program really does exist.

Where it Counts, U.S. Leads in Artificial Intelligence > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News

Here's the artificial intelligence link. (proof this program exists).

https://dodcio.defense.gov/About-DoD-CIO/Organization/JAIC/

And here's the contractor that put together the data.

Humetrix

You have to learn to be a better researcher than you are.

 

[FreeinChrist]

It does matter that Mike Adams is being used as a source. His site currently has a link to an article that says hospitals now SUFFOCATING patients with plastic bags!

Just no.

The US may be ahead of others regarding AI - but that doesn't apply if one is using VAERS as if it is stating cause of death rather than just reporting a death which could be by something else. Read the instructions for using it again.

 

[The Righterzpen]

It does matter that Mike Adams is being used as a source. His site currently has a link to an article that says hospitals now SUFFOCATING patients with plastic bags!

Just no.

The US may be ahead of others regarding AI - but that doesn't apply if one is using VAERS as if it is stating cause of death rather than just reporting a death which could be by something else. Read the instructions for using it again.

Mike Adams is not being used as a source. The links in his article are what's being used as a source.

(Yet you won't answer the questions raised in the post now will you?)

The AI data didn't come from VAERS. You're about 30,000 deaths short from the VAERS data. The 50,000+ is a Medicare data collection site; not VAERS.

You really need to pay attention before you answer!

Do you believe everything CNN says?

 

[FreeinChrist]

nope, and no need to be insulting, friend. I think you assume others are not using critical thinking in investigating Covid19, but I actually read the studies (actual scientific studies from peer reviewed sources ) and have been all along. Obviously biased sites are not acceptable imho.

You never answered my original question.
We will not see eye to eye and I have stuff to do. Later.

 

[Sunshinee777]

Dr. Young’s paper concludes, these Covid injections “are NOT vaccines but nanotechnological drugs working as a genetic therapy … All these so-called “vaccines” are patented and therefore their actual content is kept secret even to the buyers, who, of course, are using taxpayers’ money. So, consumers (taxpayers) have no information about what they are receiving in their bodies by inoculation.”

Summary of undisclosed ingredients extracted from Dr. Young’s published scientific paper


October 14, 2021 10:11 pm

American Scientists Confirm Toxic Graphene Oxide, and More, in BS 19 Injections

Have you seen microscopic videos about these nanoparticles and nanobots? They look very interesting.

 

[The Righterzpen]

nope, and no need to be insulting, friend. I think you assume others are not using critical thinking in investigating Covid19, but I actually read the studies (actual scientific studies from peer reviewed sources ) and have been all along. Obviously biased sites are not acceptable imho.

You never answered my original question.
We will not see eye to eye and I have stuff to do. Later.

The original question you asked ME was about VAERS data. And I did answer that.

Your argument was that you didn't believe the VAERS data because it is voluntarily reported system. And I told you that it didn't matter that it was voluntarily reported, because particularly in relation to people who die; the CDC has access to (and does check) death certificates. They have access to that information because anyone who has a Social Security number (and all legal American citizens have one) their death is reported to the Social Security Death Index data base. The CDC does also call doctors who signed the death certificates and asks them about the circumstances of the death and why they were reported to the VAERS data base.

So the information is verifiable; so it doesn't represent a failure on my part that you don't want to believe it.

You say that you follow "actual scientific peer reviewed studies" but you don't. I linked to you information from governmental sites of data collection that governments themselves have done. You refused to look at it. You refused to believe the data that was right in front of you.

Again, that does not represent a failure on my part.

Then you objected to one of the person's reporting the data. Claiming I was using him as a reference. I explained to you; that he was not the reference. The links on his site that link you to the documents are the reference. And I even went in and posted the links for you myself.

Yet cognitive dissonance reigns in your head; because you simply don't want to believe the data.

And it's not insulting to point out to you that you really need to pay attention to what is posted before you answer. Your objection to Mike Adams in your unwillingness to believe the data is a straw man argument.

Which again, is not a failing on my part, seeing how I more than adequately proved to you my points.

As far as your original question; (which was about the content of the shots) I said that we don't actually know what's in them because the pharmaceutical companies are not listing all of the ingredients. All we do know is of what people have looked at under microscopes and said; they thought this was X,Y or Z substance.

In some of the packages; you'll see "proprietary" (fill in ingredient). But that doesn't tell you what it is. Reuters gave this long "fact check" explanation about SM-104 lipid which they claim is a "nanoparticle" to protect the mRNA and are being used in the "preclinical exploration of novel therapies".

A former employee of Pfizer (Karen Kingston) states she traced the lipid compounds listed in the ingredients (ALC-0315 (2036272-55-4) and ALC-0159 (1849616-42-7) to a company in China (Sinopeg) and according to Sinopeg's statement about these particular chemical compounds they do contain graphine oxide.

I looked up Sinopeg's website; and they also do produce SM-102. There was one other company in China that produces (ALC-0315 (2036272-55-4) and ALC-0159 (1849616-42-7). But I've only found one company stated to be in the US that is said to manufacture these compounds.

The company is called "Cayman Chemical". Yet in a search about the history of that company; I found nothing as to when it was founded or anything else. What I did find though is a bunch of links to animal studies done concerning mRNA gene therapies. Cayman Chemical was named in one of these studies (Study publish date April 2020) as the provider of substances tested.

The findings from two separate substances tested, weren't good. The outcome of the one gene therapy study done in mice showed cytokines (from the immune system) caused heart failure in the mice when they were given the gene therapy sequence to try and correct a known lab induced cardiac issue. That study is dated 2008.

Cross-talk between cytokines and renin–angiotensin in hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus in heart failure: role of nuclear factor-κB

The other study appears to be the use of gene therapy to try and fix DNA. This is the study Cayman Chemical was sited in as being a contributor of a substance used. (mRNA transcription in an attempt to correct DNA) The purpose of that study appears to be trying to repair DNA to increase the lifespan of mice. It does appear that they knew / discovered a certain DNA strand that increases the longevity of mice; but it does not appear that they were able to fix the "defective DNA" in other mice through mRNA gene therapy. There is nothing stated in this study as to what happened with the mice; only that the therapy didn't work.

SIRT6 is Responsible for More Efficient DNA Double-Strand Break Repair in Long-Lived Species

So how much more evidence do you want that mRNA gene therapy has adverse effects; regardless of the substance the mRNA is contained in?

 

[Sunshinee777]

Found this

Aside from the pathogenic spike protein, recently it has been reported by two Spanish researchers that nanoparticles of graphene oxide (GO) are a component in some analyzed vials of the Pfizer mRNA inoculation.......

The former Pfizer employee further explained that the graphene oxide in the inoculations is neutrally charged (inactive), however, if/when it becomes positively charged, such as by electromagnetic radiation (radio frequency, such as wireless devices, wireless networks such as 5G, etc.), it can cause neurological damage and death depending on how much of it exists in the body and where it is located. Therefore, according to Kingston, multiple COVID-19 inoculations and booster shots are needed to gradually increase the amount of graphene oxide in the body to make the body receptive to electromagnetic radiation.

All these claims have raised serious concerns, particularly in the world of toxicology. We simply do not know the whole story yet, nor if other COVID inoculations may contain graphene oxide. What we do know is in 2020 two Chinese Covid vaccine patents were filed that list graphene as an ingredient. The first Chinese patented listed a ‘nano coronavirus recombinant vaccine using graphene oxide as a carrier’.1 The second listed the ‘preparation and application of pachyman nano adjuvant based on graphene oxide and adjuvant/antigen co-delivery vaccine’.2 Thus, it is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that Pfizer has included GO in some of its lots of Covid inoculations.

https://www.biologicalmedicineinsti...oxide-in-the-pfizer-mrna-covid-19-formulation

Of course not all injections contain actual ”vaxine” ingredients, it’s experimental and some of the people got saline.

 

[Sunshinee777]

You need more intellectual honesty!

Don't pay attention to the article author; go look at the links in the article. (That's what I do!) The article mentions a lawyer who's bringing this to court; go look at the documents. Here they are:

COVID Vaccine Cover Up PDF – Renz Law

I gave you that website so you could go look up the links in the website. That DOD program really does exist.

Where it Counts, U.S. Leads in Artificial Intelligence > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News

Here's the artificial intelligence link. (proof this program exists).

https://dodcio.defense.gov/About-DoD-CIO/Organization/JAIC/

And here's the contractor that put together the data.

Humetrix

You have to learn to be a better researcher than you are.

This info is all over the internet not just those you linked. I thought this is already in msm? Maby not yet.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The original question you asked ME was about VAERS data. And I did answer that.

Your argument was that you didn't believe the VAERS data because it is voluntarily reported system. And I told you that it didn't matter that it was voluntarily reported, because particularly in relation to people who die; the CDC has access to (and does check) death certificates. They have access to that information because anyone who has a Social Security number (and all legal American citizens have one) their death is reported to the Social Security Death Index data base. The CDC does also call doctors who signed the death certificates and asks them about the circumstances of the death and why they were reported to the VAERS data base.

So the information is verifiable; so it doesn't represent a failure on my part that you don't want to believe it.

I believe you misundersstood. I pointed out that the VAERS site itself indicates that reporting the symptom does not mean it is related to the vaccine - that a death after receiving the vaccine does not mean the vaccine caused the death. Yes CDC has access to the death certificates and medical information of the person who died. The SS Death index is not important here - that is more for election officials, bankers and family. It is not a medical record. The CDC, which has access to all the information they need, and they do not see many deaths from the vaccine.
COVID-19 Vaccination

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 403 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,638 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

COVID-19 Vaccination

Over 403 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 12, 2021.

COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality needed to support approval or authorization of a vaccine.
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You say that you follow "actual scientific peer reviewed studies" but you don't. I linked to you information from governmental sites of data collection that governments themselves have done. You refused to look at it. You refused to believe the data that was right in front of you.

Learn to debate without accusing "you' statements. Yes, I folow actual scientific studies in peer review journals - the actual study. NOT summaries in "The Vision Times" and blogs like Peckford42 or Human Events. Or links from Mike Adams site.

You linked to a site from Sept. 2 about Israel, but check what has been found since:

Israel's unvaccinated 'a strain on hospitals'; COVID patients on life support peak

Unvaccinated Israelis are putting a strain on hospitals, Nachman Ash, the Health Ministry's coronavirus director-general said Thursday, as official figures showed that the 17 percent of eligible Israelis who have not received the vaccine account for 60 percent of coronavirus deaths in the past two weeks.​

90% of Israel's serious COVID patients are unvaccinated - Health Min.

The majority of Israel’s most severe COVID-19 patients are not vaccinated, according to the head of Public Health Services Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis. She noted the trend on the same day the US Centers for Disease Control released new data showing that unvaccinated individuals are 11 times more likely to die of the virus.

“It is important to emphasize that the severely ill patients currently in hospitals are for the most part unvaccinated,” Alroy-Preis said in an interview with Israel’s Channel 12. She added that almost everyone on a ventilator is not vaccinated.

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Yet cognitive dissonance reigns in your head; because you simply don't want to believe the data.

That is flaming. Stop making it about me, stick to the topic.

And it's not insulting to point out to you that you really need to pay attention to what is posted before you answer. Your objection to Mike Adams in your unwillingness to believe the data is a straw man argument.

More flaming. Stick to the topic, it is not about me

As far as your original question; (which was about the content of the shots) I said that we don't actually know what's in them because the pharmaceutical companies are not listing all of the ingredients. All we do know is of what people have looked at under microscopes and said; they thought this was X,Y or Z substance.

My original question to you was if you thought the deaths reported in VAERS were actually caused by the vaccine as the site itself says reporting does not mean it is the cause.

My comments about the original list were in regards to Oxygen Chrominum which does not exist, and how plain Oxygen is in a vaccine. It was not directed to you. The original list is junk, as from conspiracy sites.

A former employee of Pfizer (Karen Kingston) states she traced the lipid compounds listed in the ingredients (ALC-0315 (2036272-55-4) and ALC-0159 (1849616-42-7) to a company in China (Sinopeg) and according to Sinopeg's statement about these particular chemical compounds they do contain graphine oxide.

There was an article in Lifesite news - another site that has gone conspiracy.
see Contrary to claims in a LifeSiteNews article, COVID-19 vaccination makes it less likely for someone to get COVID-19

Speaking to LifeSiteNews, Kingston claimed that the data showed that during the initial placebo period there were “12.6 [COVID-19] cases per 1,000 person-years”, but “43.4 cases per 1,000 person-years” after injection. 1000 person-years is a measure for the rate of new cases of a disease over a specified period for the study population.

However, that’s not what the data shows. The analysis compared the number of COVID-19 cases between two study participant groups both of which received the vaccine; the post-hoc analysis did not compare a placebo group and a vaccine group as claimed by Kingston. Rather, the two groups were: “study participants who completed the primary series <4 months prior to the start of the analysis period [1 July 2021]” and “BNT162b2 recipients in the Evaluable Efficacy Population” where data was collected up to 13 March 2021. BNT162b2 was the name used for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine during clinical trials, and primary series refers to the 2-dose vaccine regimen. As such, Kingston’s analysis of the data is flawed, and her claim about the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine making individuals more likely to catch COVID-19 is unsupported.
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In regards to graphene oxide:
Fact Check-No evidence graphene oxide is present in available COVID-19 vaccines via lipid nanoparticles

 

[Sunshinee777]

Nano technology doesn’t exist, you watch too much Star Trek.

RNA Platform

 

[FreeinChrist]

I looked up Sinopeg's website; and they also do produce SM-102. There was one other company in China that produces (ALC-0315 (2036272-55-4) and ALC-0159 (1849616-42-7). But I've only found one company stated to be in the US that is said to manufacture these compounds.

The company is called "Cayman Chemical". Yet in a search about the history of that company; I found nothing as to when it was founded or anything else. What I did find though is a bunch of links to animal studies done concerning mRNA gene therapies. Cayman Chemical was named in one of these studies (Study publish date April 2020) as the provider of substances tested.

The findings from two separate substances tested, weren't good. The outcome of the one gene therapy study done in mice showed cytokines (from the immune system) caused heart failure in the mice when they were given the gene therapy sequence to try and correct a known lab induced cardiac issue. That study is dated 2008.

Cross-talk between cytokines and renin–angiotensin in hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus in heart failure: role of nuclear factor-κB

The other study appears to be the use of gene therapy to try and fix DNA. This is the study Cayman Chemical was sited in as being a contributor of a substance used. (mRNA transcription in an attempt to correct DNA) The purpose of that study appears to be trying to repair DNA to increase the lifespan of mice. It does appear that they knew / discovered a certain DNA strand that increases the longevity of mice; but it does not appear that they were able to fix the "defective DNA" in other mice through mRNA gene therapy. There is nothing stated in this study as to what happened with the mice; only that the therapy didn't work.

SIRT6 is Responsible for More Efficient DNA Double-Strand Break Repair in Long-Lived Species

So how much more evidence do you want that mRNA gene therapy has adverse effects; regardless of the substance the mRNA is contained in?

So your concern is about the mRNA vaccines specifically.
That last article is interesting but it focuses on using mRNA to repair damaged DNA specifically. Are you concerned that the mRNA does not really impart to cells what is needed to fight Covid19?

the Covid vacccine mRNA do not enter the nucleus of a cell where the DNA is. It stays in the cytoplasm.

As to the cytokines and cytokine storms, Covid 19 itself causes the production of cytokines.
How COVID-19 induces cytokine storm with high mortality

Some COVID-19 patients encounter a severe symptom of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) with high mortality. This high severity is dependent on a cytokine storm, most likely induced by the interleukin-6 (IL-6) amplifier, which is hyper-activation machMinery that regulates the nuclear factor kappa B (NF-κB) pathway and stimulated by the simultaneous activation of IL-6-signal transducer and activator of transcription 3 (STAT3) and NF-κB signaling in non-immune cells including alveolar epithelial cells and endothelial cells.
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mRNA is not the cause of the cytokines.

 

[FreeinChrist]

As to what the vaccines contain, see this:

https://www.hackensackmeridianhealt...own-of-the-ingredients-in-the-covid-vaccines/

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is made of the following ingredients:

• mRNA – Also known as messenger ribonucleic acid, mRNA is the only active ingredient in the vaccine. The mRNA molecules contain the genetic material that provide instructions for our body on how to make a viral protein that triggers an immune response within our bodies. The immune response is what causes our bodies to make the antibodies needed to protect us from getting infected if exposed to the coronavirus.

There are rumors that mRNA vaccines will alter our DNA because the RNA molecule can convert information stored in DNA into proteins. That’s simply, not true. It’s critical to note that the mRNA vaccines never enter the nucleus of the cell, where our DNA is stored. After injection, the mRNA from the vaccine is released into the cytoplasm of the cells. Once the viral protein is made and on the surface of the cell, mRNA is broken down and the body permanently gets rid of it, therefore making it impossible to change our DNA.

• Lipids – The following lipids are in the new COVID vaccine. Their main role is to protect the mRNA and provide somewhat of a “greasy” exterior that helps the mRNA slide inside the cells.
  • ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis
  • (2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
  • 1,2-Distearoyl-snglycero-3- phosphocholine
  • cholesterol

• Salts – The following salts are included in the Pfizer vaccine and help balance the acidity in your body.
  • potassium chloride
  • monobasic potassium phosphate
  • sodium chloride
  • dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate

• Sugar – Basic table sugar, also known as sucrose, can also be found in the new COVID vaccine. This ingredient helps the molecules maintain their shape during freezing.

 

[The Righterzpen]

This info is all over the internet not just those you linked. I thought this is already in msm? Maby not yet.

Your profile says you're in Finland and you may have more MSM press coverage of this than in the US? The governments of Britain and Israel are at least releasing data that gets more "well rounded" coverage.

With the exception of local news outlets who are reporting on stories of interest in a local area; or things that make national headlines like "missing child found murdered"; the vast majority of American MSM is propaganda that tows a specific narrative.

I don't know if you've ever heard of "Operation Mockingbird"? (CIA controls news outlets.)

I think there is only one MSM reporter who's even addressed the rising vaccine death toll; and that's Tucker Carlson.

 

[mama2one]

I think there is only one MSM reporter who's even addressed the rising vaccine death toll; and that's Tucker Carlson.

this person?

Tucker Carlson Admits He Sometimes Lies On His Show