Has anyone seen a refutation of this list?

[The Righterzpen]

I believe you misundersstood. I pointed out that the VAERS site itself indicates that reporting the symptom does not mean it is related to the vaccine - that a death after receiving the vaccine does not mean the vaccine caused the death

So.... what do you think caused 16,766 recorded deaths in the VAERS data base within a month of people having received Covid vaccines? What do you think caused about 40% of those people to die within 48 hours from things consistently related to blood clots and heart attacks and strokes?

And since you follow research studies; Here's a study about blood clots and Covid vaccines.
Antibody epitopes in vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopaenia | Nature

Here's another one:
Blood Clotting, COVID-19 and Vaccines | University of Utah Health

And this one is from the CDC's own protocol:
COVID-19 Vaccination

And what do you think has caused 9,780 cases of Bell's Palsy?

Since I now know you are so keen on research studies! Here's a study about Bell's Palsy and the vaccines:
Bell’s palsy following COVID-19 vaccination

And then we have this one:
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And.... this one:
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And what do you think has caused 2,508 miscarriages?

This study says: Well.... so far things still fall within acceptable parameters for those under 20 weeks gestation; but we need more data.
Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons

And what do you think has caused 8,136 heart attacks?

Well, here's a study that says the spike protein is what causes blood clots, strokes and heart issues. But.... a vaccine that causes people's bodies to make spike proteins is not what's causing all these heart attacks?
SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2

And what do you think has caused 24,805 people to become permanently disabled?

And what do you think has caused 9,470 cases of myocarditis?

By the way; the CDC has finally admitted that this is the case. And here's the study.
Myocarditis With COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines - PubMed

The SS Death index is not important here - that is more for election officials, bankers and family. It is not a medical record. The CDC, which has access to all the information they need, and they do not see many deaths from the vaccine.

Well lookie lookie; the CDC DOES use the national death index for "public health and medical studies"
How to Use the National Death Index: Steps in the Process

Learn to debate without accusing "you' statements. Yes, I folow actual scientific studies in peer review journals - the actual study. NOT summaries in "The Vision Times" and blogs like Peckford42 or Human Events. Or links from Mike Adams site.

You linked to a site from Sept. 2 about Israel, but check what has been found since:

But I thought you were big into peer approved research articles? There's no research references attached to any of these two articles you posted.

More flaming. Stick to the topic, it is not about me

No, It's about the data!

My comments about the original list were in regards to Oxygen Chrominum which does not exist, and how plain Oxygen is in a vaccine. It was not directed to you. The original list is junk, as from conspiracy sites.

Well, I don't know what "oxygen chromium" is, or whether or not it's in the vaccines; but apparently you are incorrect here also. It does actually exist because someone had a patent on it:
US5561833A - Method of making high oxygen chromium target - Google Patents

the Covid vacccine mRNA do not enter the nucleus of a cell where the DNA is. It stays in the cytoplasm.

If this has been found to not be the case with the virus itself; how do we know that is not the case with the mRNA in the vaccine?
SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome - PubMed

Researchers at MIT published this in the Journal of Vaccine Theory:
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51

As to the cytokines and cytokine storms, Covid 19 itself causes the production of cytokines

According to research compiled by several different sources; the affects of the Covid vaccines on the immune system cause "reprogramming" of the adaptive and innate immune system. One of the consequences being that when exposed to pathogens the immune system overreacts. That's called "antibody dependent enhancement" They know this happens with other vaccines.

Antibody dependent enhancement: Unavoidable problems in vaccine development

They don't doubt that's possible with this one:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/

Cytokine storm is one product of antibody dependent enhancement:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7569100/

And they are suspecting this is happening with the Covid vaccines because the changes they make in the immune system.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256520v1

So there you go! A LOT of research studies to look through....
BEFORE you answer.

 

[The Righterzpen]

this person?

Tucker Carlson Admits He Sometimes Lies On His Show

Again, the media source or who wrote the article doesn't matter. Go look at the data they are talking about and read the researchers' own conclusions.

Look at the governmental data collection sites and decide for yourself what you think of those death stats.

You're not the only one using the straw man argument about the messenger pointing to the data. Go look at the research.

 

[mama2one]

"this article is a pre-print and has not been peer reviewed"

that's examples of what you're using? re post #61

 

[The Righterzpen]

"this article is a pre-print and has not been peer reviewed"

that's examples of what you're using? re post #61

The peer review process takes time. Just because something isn't peer reviewed yet; doesn't mean it won't be verified. The site it's posted to is where articles are posted to be peer reviewed.

Here's a perfect example. And Lancet allegedly only published peer reviewed articles.

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Yet they never peer reviewed this:
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Yet other researchers jumped all over them about it; and that's why it was retracted.
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[The Righterzpen]

oops - pushed the wrong button and don't think responses can be deleted?

 

[Sunshinee777]

Your profile says you're in Finland and you may have more MSM press coverage of this than in the US? The governments of Britain and Israel are at least releasing data that gets more "well rounded" coverage.

With the exception of local news outlets who are reporting on stories of interest in a local area; or things that make national headlines like "missing child found murdered"; the vast majority of American MSM is propaganda that tows a specific narrative.

I don't know if you've ever heard of "Operation Mockingbird"? (CIA controls news outlets.)

I think there is only one MSM reporter who's even addressed the rising vaccine death toll; and that's Tucker Carlson.

I stopped watching msm long time ago.
Yes I know about mockingbird. I have researched quite lot of these american conspiracies, they are very interesting to me. When you do lot of research you start to notice easier lies from truth.

 

[The Righterzpen]

I stopped watching msm long time ago.
Yes I know about mockingbird. I have researched quite lot of these american conspiracies, they are very interesting to me. When you do lot of research you start to notice easier lies from truth.

Yep! A lot of rabbit holes one could go down; when you realize the conspiracies are not actually theories!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Is that percentage-wise on each's own base, or just a number count?

What percentage of the unvaccinated is dying based on the number of all the unvaccinated with Covid, not based on just those dying of Covid in the hospitals.

Dont think anyone would know that.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

CDC data confirms J&J is the worst-performing COVID-19 vaccine in the US - but being unvaccinated is far more dangerous

 

[Clare73]

Dont think anyone would know that.

Not good, because that is the truly relevant measure.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Obviously biased sites are not acceptable imho.

is the MSM biased in your opinion?