Halal Explained

[wn123455]

Do you truly believe that Muslims eat human meat religiously?

I do not believe all muslims eat human meat religiously.

 

[LoAmmi]

I do not believe all muslims eat human meat religiously.

Good. I don't believe all Christians are evil murderers. Of course, when I phrase it that way....

 

[WoodrowX2]

So when you go to muslim heave will you be drinking wine?

Police Blamed for Blunders in Muslim Murder case of Girl 'turned into kebab meat' | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

Do muslims use halal human meat to make kebabs?

I won't be forced to drink the wine. I might or might not try it. but I have no way to know if I will go to heaven. I know I will if I die as a Muslim, but I do not know if I will. I can throw it all away with my last breath and choose to leave Islam.

Humans are not a halal meat. We do not have cloven hooves and we do not chew a cud. Can't make halal kebabs out of people. Can't even buy Kosher people meat, the Jews have the same restriction. I guess only some misguided Christians living in CAR can be cannibals

 

[wn123455]

I won't be forced to drink the wine. I might or might not try it. but I have no way to know if I will go to heaven. I know I will if I die as a Muslim, but I do not know if I will. I can throw it all away with my last breath and choose to leave Islam.

Humans are not a halal meat. We do not have cloven hooves and we do not chew a cud. Can't make halal kebabs out of people. Can't even buy Kosher people meat, the Jews have the same restriction. I guess only some misguided Christians living in CAR can be cannibals

Central African Republic is a warzone so the situation is different. Can muslims take medicine containing pork products or alcohol?

 

[WoodrowX2]

Central African Republic is a warzone so the situation is different. Can muslims take medicine containing pork products or alcohol?

They can if it is needed to save their life and there is no alternative that can be used. But they can only take the minimum needed to save their life.

It is not likely to happen as so far there are halal alternatives for every medicine containing pork or alcohol.

 

[LoAmmi]

They can if it is needed to save their life and there is no alternative that can be used. But they can only take the minimum needed to save their life.

It is not likely to happen as so far there are halal alternatives for every medicine containing pork or alcohol.

There are actually several opinions in Judaism on the whole medicine issue. Some hold that because it isn't food, there is no violation at all in taking medicines no matter what they contain. Others hold that there is a violation.

In any case, if one's life is in danger (and that threshold can be pretty low) they are allowed to take the medicine.

 

[WoodrowX2]

There are actually several opinions in Judaism on the whole medicine issue. Some hold that because it isn't food, there is no violation at all in taking medicines no matter what they contain. Others hold that there is a violation.

In any case, if one's life is in danger (and that threshold can be pretty low) they are allowed to take the medicine.

It seems we agree on the intent but not quite agree what is meant by a needed medicine.

 

[wn123455]

It seems we agree on the intent but not quite agree what is meant by a needed medicine.

In the koran 83:22 it says muslims in heaven will have their thirst quenched with pure wine. This means that the wine in muslim heaven is unsweetened and includes alcohol because it is pure wine. So won't muslims be able to get drunk in heaven due to the wine in muslim heaven containing alcohol? According to muslims why can alcohol be drunk in muslim heaven but not earth?

If you claim that in muslim heaven the wine will not make muslims drunk then it is not pure wine because it contains no alcohol.

If you claim that in muslim heaven the wine will not make muslims drunk and the wine contains alcohol then why would muslims drink wine in muslim heaven since pure wine is bitter?

 

[smaneck]

Do muslims use halal human meat to make kebabs?

I don't suppose you have a credible source for this blood libel?

 

[smaneck]

In the koran 83:22 it says muslims in heaven will have their thirst quenched with pure wine.

"To all that dwell on earth I cry aloud and say: “Fear ye God, O ye servants of God, and suffer not yourselves to be kept back from this pure Wine that hath flowed from the right hand of the throne of the mercy of your Lord, the Most Merciful. I swear by God! Better for you is what He possesseth than the things ye yourselves possess and the things ye have sought and are now seeking in this vain and empty life. Forsake the world, and set your faces towards the all-glorious Horizon. Whoso hath partaken of the wine of His remembrance will forget every other remembrance, and whoso hath recognized Him will rid himself of all attachment to this life and to all that pertaineth unto it.”

"Empower me, then, O my God, to be reckoned among them that have clung to Thy laws and precepts for the sake of Thee alone, their eyes fixed on Thy face. These, indeed, are they whose wine is all that hath proceeded out of the mouth of Thy primal will, whose pure beverage is Thine enthralling call, whose heavenly River is Thy love, whose Paradise is entrance into Thy presence and reunion with Thee. For Thou hast been their Beginning and their End, and their Highest Hope, and their Supreme Desire. Blinded be the eye that gazeth on whatsoever may displease Thee, and confounded be the soul that seeketh the things that are contrary to Thy will."

"I beseech Thee, by Thy Most Great Name, to open the eyes of Thy servants, that they may behold Thee shining above the horizon of Thy majesty and glory, and that they may not be hindered by the croaking of the raven from hearkening to the voice of the Dove of Thy sublime oneness, nor be prevented by the corrupt waters from partaking of the pure wine of Thy bounty and the everlasting streams of Thy gifts."

Baha'u'llah

 

[smaneck]

Central African Republic is a warzone so the situation is different.

It wasn't at the time this Christian ate the Muslim. The war was already over by that time.

 

[LoAmmi]

It seems we agree on the intent but not quite agree what is meant by a needed medicine.

As I said, the threshold can be pretty low. For example, I have epilepsy. Were my medicine to contain pork products, I would be told to take it because of the risk involved with having a seizure even if it isn't directly life threatening.

 

[Lollerskates]

This thread is the result of posts in another thread. Rather than derail the other thread I thought I would start a new thread.

Halal seems to be misunderstood by some non-Muslims. They seem to think there is an insidious plot for Muslims to force Halal food upon them and some people are boycotting stores that sell Halal products.

Halal simply means permitted. Anything we are allowed to do is halal. Virtually all food is Halal. However a few things can make a food Haram(Forbidden) Particularly when it comes to additives. Some additives that can make a food haram are intoxicants, no matter how small the amount is, some food dyes that are made from insects such as cochineal, flavorings if they contain alcohol or if alcohol was used in making them, gelatin if from a forbidden animal and rennet if from a forbidden animal.

The biggest issue in Grocery stores is meat products. Meat and meat products will usually fall into one of 3 categories, Halal permitted to be eaten by Muslims. Makruh permitted but should be avoided if halal is available. Haram forbidden to Muslims.

Halal meat has to be a permitted animal and slaughtered in an acceptable Zabiah manner.

Makruh can be slaughtered by a Christian or Jew, but it can not be from a sacrificial alter and no prayers can be said to anyone except God(saw)

The difficulty in identifying Christian slaughtered meat, is it will not be labelled as such. Kosher is labelled as such so that is the preferred choice when Halal is not available. Unlabelled meats leave it open as to who might have slaughtered it and the question if it was offered as a sacrifice to a false idol or if the one doing the slaughtering prayed to a false idol.

The Zabiah and Kosher method of slaughter are identical contrary to what some hate sites claim.

Now the issue about Halal labels. There is no central agency that certifies Halal although there are several trying to establish themselves as such. but for the most part it is all up to the integrity of the producer and often they produce their own labels. Currently the only trust we have as to if a product labelled halal actually is halal, is the integrity of the manufacturer/producer/distributor. Many companies seem to be making their own halal labels and putting them on products that do not even require them, as an attempt to reach the growing Islamic market.

From what I understand, and feel free to rail me, is Halal is the compliment to "kosher." The meat has to be of a certain origin (healthily fed.) The organs have to be clean and healthy (no lumps on lungs, etc.) Essentially, the meat needs to be "glatt," "parave," and/or "kosher/halal/fit to eat."

I used to live in L.A. and N.Y.C.; I was very familiar with halal and (u) and (k) foods. To me, the differences were marginal.

 

[LoAmmi]

Lollerskates,

Meat cannot be parve by definition. There are three categories of Kosher food. Meat, dairy, and parve. Parve is food that doesn't fall under either meat or dairy. This is because we cannot mix meat and dairy together.

 

[Lollerskates]

Lollerskates,

Meat cannot be parve by definition. There are three categories of Kosher food. Meat, dairy, and parve. Parve is food that doesn't fall under either meat or dairy. This is because we cannot mix meat and dairy together.

Yes, I meant to edit my entire sentence. Parve is for food that is not meat or dairy, yes.

Glatt, Parve, or Kosher - this is similar to or the "same" as Halal, unless I am still missing something.

I personally follow Leviticus for "food rules," and health. As I understand it, halal is not that far from traditional "kosher."

 

[LoAmmi]

Yes, I meant to edit my entire sentence. Parve is for food that is not meat or dairy, yes.

Glatt, Parve, or Kosher - this is similar to or the "same" as Halal, unless I am still missing something.

I personally follow Leviticus for "food rules," and health. As I understand it, halal is not that far from traditional "kosher."

Parve would be a "subset" of Kashrut (kosher). Glatt describes a specific thing relating to meat and the lungs of the animal, although in common usage is tends to me more strict. Kosher and Halal would be the terms that could be compared.

 

[Lollerskates]

Parve would be a "subset" of Kashrut (kosher). Glatt describes a specific thing relating to meat and the lungs of the animal, although in common usage is tends to me more strict. Kosher and Halal would be the terms that could be compared.

Right. So you agree Halal and Kosher is comparable.

 

[LoAmmi]

Right. So you agree Halal and Kosher is comparable.

Definitely. I wouldn't say they are interchangeable and I doubt Orthodox Jews would purchase Halal meat instead of Kosher meat, but I see the concepts as being pretty similar.

 

[Lollerskates]

Definitely. I wouldn't say they are interchangeable and I doubt Orthodox Jews would purchase Halal meat instead of Kosher meat, but I see the concepts as being pretty similar.

Right. That is all I am saying. Islam and Hebrews share the same father: Abraham. The "three" monotheistic religions share Abraham even. Somehow, Islam and Judaism are the only of the two that respect food laws. Not that they are interchangeable2 (halal and kosher,) but at least both share the same cultural Abraham traditions on food.

I would trust Halal beef/chicken/lamb over hormone-injected, antibiotic injected, GMO-eating Western foods. In fact, I shop at Halal or Kosher stores only. I was just trying to understand Halal, and the differences from what I know is Kosher (especially as per Leviticus.)

 

[smaneck]

I would trust Halal beef/chicken/lamb over hormone-injected, antibiotic injected, GMO-eating Western foods. In fact, I shop at Halal or Kosher stores only. I was just trying to understand Halal, and the differences from what I know is Kosher (especially as per Leviticus.)

The major difference is that Muslims have no problem eating the hindquarters or mixing meat with milk. Also, some madhabs allow shell fish and I don't think any of them have problem eating catfish.

I think the only 'kosher' food that a Muslim would not touch would be wine or any other alcohol.