Halal Explained

[wn123455]

I can empathize with that and that would be a concern because you are getting a different product in what you expect to be a pork product. Here in the USA it would be easier to identify as pork currently is the lowest priced meat, nearly 1/4 the price of Beef in some areas up here in North Dakota.

I agree if a meat product is halal it should be labelled as such to avoid confusion as to what meat is used. Halal bacon, Pepperoni, sausage, etc will be made with, beef, turkey, chicken, lamb etc. Some form of identification should be made to show it is not a pork product.

In anything else the halal is halal by default no matter who produced it. The labeling is not needed as the ingredients should be sufficient to let a Muslim know if it is prohibited. If a can says canned peaches with no added ingrediants, it is halal. It can't be made non-Halal except by adding a Haram product to it.

Our concern with non-Meat products are any additives added. Canned peaches will always be Halal by default the only thing that could change that would be additives such as coloring or flavorings. In those products the Halal label is usually a marketing gimmick used by to seller to attract Muslim or Jewish customers.

In the States Vegetarian labeling is used to attract both vegetarians and Muslim as all vegetarian products are automatically halal the halal label is not needed.

Are you saying all vegetarian products are certified halal?

 

[smaneck]

Are you saying all vegetarian products are certified halal?

Not wine.

He's saying that vegetarian products are halal largely by definition and don't require certification.

 

[LoAmmi]

Not wine.

He's saying that vegetarian products are halal largely by definition and don't require certification.

I don't know for halal, but often you'll see packaged products that are vegetarian marked kosher because it's ensuring that nothing got mixed in with the process.

 

[gord44]

interesting thread.

just this week i have avoided chicken, pork and beef as I am trying to eat non-karmic foods. not dogmatic about it, but giving it a shot. I do still eat seafood though.

the idea is if an animal suffered at all in the process, then you eating the food is bad karma. like i said, not dogmatic, but giving it a shot. in the end even seafood could be considered 'karmic' but I need a place to start.

Chicken is the main thing for me. I have seen and heard stories of what mass slaughtered chicken houses are like. Even when i ate chicken every day i felt a tinge of guilt when i thought about it.

anyways it's an interesting thing to discuss.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Are you saying all vegetarian products are certified halal?

Like most things there is no certification required. All vegetables and fruits are Halal As are virtually all seafood, fowl, grains cereals, breads, etc. Nothing needs to be done to them.

Halal does not need to have anything done to it to make it Halal. Halal simply means "Permitted" it is something a Muslim can eat.

Meat can only be halal if it is from a halal animal and slaughtered in the Zabiah manner by a Jew, Christian or Muslim. If at all possible it should be slaughtered by a Muslim.

Every other Halal food product is permitted (Halal) as it comes from the garden, orchard, lake or ocean. Nothing to certify. It is automatically halal just like water from any source is halal.

 

[WoodrowX2]

I don't know for halal, but often you'll see packaged products that are vegetarian marked kosher because it's ensuring that nothing got mixed in with the process.

True additives are the only thing that could make a vegetarian product Haram (Forbidden)

Also any alcohol containing beverages are haram for us. Even if they are vegetarian.

 

[LoAmmi]

True additives are the only thing that could make a vegetarian product Haram (Forbidden)

Also any alcohol containing beverages are haram for us. Even if they are vegetarian.

Well, take beans as an example. One might think just grabbing a can of beans from a shelf would be fine, then you find out later that pork was used when cooking them for flavor.

 

[Supreme]

That is because you Brits don't know how to prepare it properly. Lamb needs rosemary and garlic!

You know why the British acquired an Empire? So someone else could do their cooking for them.

The Emperor Caligula once encountered some Jews on his strolls through Rome. He asked them, "Why don't you eat pork?"

One of the Jews was quick on his feet and said "Well, quite a lot of people don't eat a lot of things. Some people don't eat lamb."

"I'm not surprised" replied Caligula, "it tastes horrible!"

 

[wn123455]

True additives are the only thing that could make a vegetarian product Haram (Forbidden)

Also any alcohol containing beverages are haram for us. Even if they are vegetarian.

Do you consider stew made with wine to be haram? Is mouth washing liquid with alcohol haram?

 

[WoodrowX2]

Do you consider stew made with wine to be haram? Is mouth washing liquid with alcohol haram?

The majority tend to believe that even stew made with wine is haram. As if even one atom of alcohol is left behind the stew has become an alcoholic beverage. However, not all Muslims agree with that and there are some who will use wine in cooking.

Mouth wash containing alcohol is definitely haram as even if not swallowed it is in your body (in your mouth) Virtually all Muslims agree with that

 

[WoodrowX2]

Well, take beans as an example. One might think just grabbing a can of beans from a shelf would be fine, then you find out later that pork was used when cooking them for flavor.

True one reason we tend to buy only what we know the contents and cooking processes are. We do cheat and look for the circled u

they might not want to put halal on the label but will put a Kosher symbol if possible.

You guys must spend more money in the grocery store than we do.

Oh I forgot Obama is a Jew. You guys are lucky to have gotten one elected We are still trying to find a Muslim we can con into running for president.

 

[WoodrowX2]

interesting thread.

just this week i have avoided chicken, pork and beef as I am trying to eat non-karmic foods. not dogmatic about it, but giving it a shot. I do still eat seafood though.

the idea is if an animal suffered at all in the process, then you eating the food is bad karma. like i said, not dogmatic, but giving it a shot. in the end even seafood could be considered 'karmic' but I need a place to start.

Chicken is the main thing for me. I have seen and heard stories of what mass slaughtered chicken houses are like. Even when i ate chicken every day i felt a tinge of guilt when i thought about it.

anyways it's an interesting thing to discuss.

Quite a few Muslims in the USA are becoming Vegetarian. One incentive being Halal is too expensive and also because we have no Central Certification agency, even if marked Halal we can not be certain it is. Anybody can print a Halal symbol and legally stick it on anything. So far there is no legal protection for Halal we only have the integrity of the producer to go by.

 

[wn123455]

The majority tend to believe that even stew made with wine is haram. As if even one atom of alcohol is left behind the stew has become an alcoholic beverage. However, not all Muslims agree with that and there are some who will use wine in cooking.

Mouth wash containing alcohol is definitely haram as even if not swallowed it is in your body (in your mouth) Virtually all Muslims agree with that

If alcohol is haram why is do muslims believe alcohol will be served in their heaven? Can muslims get drunk from alcohol in their heaven?

 

[WoodrowX2]

If alcohol is haram why is do muslims believe alcohol will be served in their heaven? Can muslims get drunk from alcohol in their heaven?

It also says the wine in heaven will not intoxicate anyone. The restriction is for any and all intoxicants. If alcohol was not an intoxicant it would be halal

From Surah 37

41. For them there will be a known provision (in Paradise).42. Fruits; and they shall be honoured,
43. In the Gardens of delight (Paradise),
44. Facing one another on thrones,
45. Round them will be passed a cup of pure wine;
46. White, delicious to the drinkers,
47. Neither they will have Ghoul (any kind of hurt, abdominal pain, headache, a sin, etc.) from that, nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom.

 

[wn123455]

It also says the wine in heaven will not intoxicate anyone. The restriction is for any and all intoxicants. If alcohol was not an intoxicant it would be halal

From Surah 37

So what is the point of drinking wine in muslim heaven if you do not get drunk? Wine tastes bitter unless it is one of those sweet wines. Are the wines in muslim heaven sweet wines?

 

[LoAmmi]

wn,

Have you decided to drop the pretense and just directly show you are anti-Muslim?

 

[wn123455]

wn,

Have you decided to drop the pretense and just directly show you are anti-Muslim?

I want to learn about islam that is why I am asking these questions.

 

[WoodrowX2]

So what is the point of drinking wine in muslim heaven if you do not get drunk? Wine tastes bitter unless it is one of those sweet wines. Are the wines in muslim heaven sweet wines?

I really don't know and that does not concern me. I'm not a wine drinker anyhow, not even when I was a Christian or Atheist

 

[wn123455]

I really don't know and that does not concern me. I'm not a wine drinker anyhow, not even when I was a Christian or Atheist

So when you go to muslim heaven will you be drinking wine?

Police Blamed for Blunders in Muslim Murder case of Girl 'turned into kebab meat' | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

Do muslims use halal human meat to make kebabs?

 

[LoAmmi]

Do muslims use halal human meat to make kebabs?

Do you truly believe that Muslims eat human meat religiously?