Halal Explained

[LoAmmi]

Will your feelings be hurt if we decide to boycott kosher foods? Do you think they will stop making kosher food because us goyim decide not to eat it?

Good, now pass me a ham and cheese bagel.

I worry about people trying to ban it, not people not buying it.

 

[WoodrowX2]

I worry about people trying to ban it, not people not buying it.

We share a mutual concern there.

 

[oi_antz]

I have boycotted Halal because it is unnecessary cruelty to not stun before the kill. Which statement in the scriptures says that stunning before killing is wrong? I see this quote from above:

" let him spare suffering to the animal he slaughters"

.. Which is the purpose of stunning in the first place. Have you ever watched an animal stunned then killed? Have you ever compared it to an animal killed while conscious? Which has the greater suffering?

I don't understand this, but I would like to. Thanks for the opportunity to ask.

 

[LoAmmi]

I have boycotted Halal because it is unnecessary cruelty to not stun before the kill. Which statement in the scriptures says that stunning before killing is wrong? I see this quote from above:

" let him spare suffering to the animal he slaughters"

.. Which is the purpose of stunning in the first place. Have you ever watched an animal stunned then killed? Have you ever compared it to an animal killed while conscious? Which has the greater suffering?

I don't understand this, but I would like to. Thanks for the opportunity to ask.

In Kosher slaughter, the knife is supposed to be razor sharp and the animal is supposed to be killed in one swift motion. For it to be acceptable, the animal's head is nearly severed from the body in that one motion, which would severely minimize the amount of pain the animal could feel.

You could not point to any part in the Torah that tells us how to slaughter animals, merely that we're to do it in the way shown to Moses. That, one would assume, did not include stunning an animal.

 

[smaneck]

I have boycotted Halal because it is unnecessary cruelty to not stun before the kill.

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[TG123]

Sometimes, but it proved a pretty effective strategy against apartheid South Africa.

South Africa was also subjected to a military and political boycott. I support doing that to Israel and other countries that abuse human rights (including a lot of its enemies).

Economic boycotts however harm ordinary people, and in my opinion, are no different than dropping bombs. They cause destitution, poverty, and often death for people who do not have the blood of innocents on their hands.

 

[smaneck]

Economic boycotts however harm ordinary people, and in my opinion, are no different than dropping bombs. They cause destitution, poverty, and often death for people who do not have the blood of innocents on their hands.

You have a point. Generation of economic boycotts against Cuba have accomplished nothing.

 

[WoodrowX2]

I have boycotted Halal because it is unnecessary cruelty to not stun before the kill. Which statement in the scriptures says that stunning before killing is wrong? I see this quote from above:

" let him spare suffering to the animal he slaughters"

.. Which is the purpose of stunning in the first place. Have you ever watched an animal stunned then killed? Have you ever compared it to an animal killed while conscious? Which has the greater suffering?

I don't understand this, but I would like to. Thanks for the opportunity to ask.

When properly done both kosher and zabiah slaughter are less stressful on the animal without stunning.

Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.
Experimental Details:
1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of the brain.
2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.
3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and oesophagus Halal Method.
4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.
5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.
Results and Discussion:
Halal Method
1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.
2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.
3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.
4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

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Between 1974 and 1978 Schulze and his colleagues carried out a study at the School of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover University in Germany. The study: ‘Attempts to Objectify Pain and Consciousness in Conventional (captive bolt pistol stunning) and Ritual (knife) Methods of Slaughtering Sheep and Calves’[4] is reported on Islamic websites[5][6] to have concluded that "the Islamic way of slaughtering is the most humane method of slaughter and that captive bolt stunning, practiced in the West, causes severe pain to the animal".

Indeed, according to the study "these experiments on sheep and calves carried out within a clinic show that during a ritual slaughter, carried out according to the state of the art using hydraulically operated tilting equipment and a ritual cut, pain and suffering to the extent as has since long been generally associated in public with this kind of slaughter cannot be registered." However, the study notes that the "objective results presented for the captive bolt application in sheep (..) rather (..) indicates that the captive bolt device used is suspect" and that these initial "scientific findings and the results presented are only a very first contribution" and that they "need to be followed as a high priority by further investigations in the continuation of the scientific clarification of the issues of loss of pain and consciousness during slaughter of this kind with and without stunning using the same experimental approach with a representative number of grown cows of various breeds."

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Here is a link to a copy right protected Canadian study

Captive Stunbolt vs Halal Slaughter | Cynthia D'Errico

Is the Islamic technique of slaughter inhuman? A Hannover University research proves the contrary.

Halal slaughter or the Islamic way of slaughter is one according to which it is mandatory to cut the throat, windpipe and at least one jugular vein while the animal is in complete senses. The term for this kind of slaughter is Dhakat.
Once the throat, windpipe and jugular veins are cut blood comes gushing out and the body undergoes violent convulsions while the animal with its spinal cord intact is alive.
Dhakat is under constant attack for its apparent cruelty to the animals. It is pitted against the modern techniques of animal slaughter in which the animals are rendered unconscious by either stunning or electrisation before slaughter. This is to ensure a painless procedure for the animal and the onlooker.
However a study at the University of Hannover in Germany came up with rather contrary and surprising results.
In the research study electrodes were surgically implanted in the animal skulls. Some of such animals in whose heads electrodes were planted were slaughtered in the Halal way or Dhakat. A sharp pointed object was used to cut the jugular throat, windpipe and jugular vein while the Spinal Cord was left intact. Another group of such electrode implanted animals were slaughtered in the modern technique. They were stunned by a captive bolt pistol before being slaughtered.

In both the cases reading conveyed through the electrodes were recorded and observed. In the first case where the animals were slaughtered by making a sharp cut in the throat, jugular vein and windpipe the animal convulsed violently but for the first three seconds there was no change in the EEG graph showing that the animal experienced no sense of pain for the first three seconds after the incision was made. In the following three seconds the animal underwent a deep sleep like unconsciousness due to draining of immense amount of blood from its body. After that the EEG recorded no reading which meant that there was no experience of pain at all while the heart beat was recorded and the body convulsion was vigorous. The researchers concluded that while the apparent gushing of blood and body convulsions conveys a sense of great pain to the animal in reality the animal experiences no pain at all. The brain is already dead due to stoppage of blood and oxygen to it.
In the second case where the animals were slaughtered using the modern technique of stunning the EEG reading indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Moreover there are no convulsions in this technique which means that more blood will be retained in the meat lending it more unhygienic and smelly.

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[WoodrowX2]

Double post

 

[wn123455]

Carefull we are sneaky, anything can be halal without you knowing it. The Easter bunny is a Muslim weapon

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JOY TO THE MUSLIM WORLD! Cadbury expands its line of ‘Halal (Islam-approved) Certified’ products, now for the Christmas holidays, too | BARE NAKED ISLAM

 

[TG123]

You have a point. Generation of economic boycotts against Cuba have accomplished nothing.

Agreed. As far as I am concerned, economic boycotts are just another form of terrorism against civilians. Whether the suffering comes from a plane or a suicide bomber or a wall or a boycott is irrelevant. Innocent people are the ones who are made to suffer for the decisions of their leaders.

I hate Israel's mistreatment and occupation of the Palestinians. I hate Russia's occupation of Crimea and mistreatment of the Ukrainias there. I hate Indonesia's occupation and mistreatment of the people of West Papua.

But I will never allow myself to target innocent Israelis, Russians or Indonesians to avenge the injustices their leaders perpetrate against other innocent people. Boycott the politicians and settlers, whether they are Indonesian or Russian or Israeli. Cut off all military aid. Put their political and military leaders on blacklists and arrest them wherever they land in countries that oppose their abuses. Make life for the killers and thieves as uncomfortable as possible, until they stop killing and stealing. But leave their civilians alone.

 

[WoodrowX2]

JOY TO THE MUSLIM WORLD! Cadbury expands its line of ‘Halal (Islam-approved) Certified’ products, now for the Christmas holidays, too | BARE NAKED ISLAM

Virtually all non-meat products are halal.

If it does not contain, meat, intoxicants or insects any manufacturer is free to label it halal, It does not require any approval from any Islamic certification board. Like I said earlier nearly all foods are halal by default.

Manufacturers are using this as a marketing tool to garner the Muslim consumers.

It has nothing to do with Islam it is all about marketing practices to reach the most consumers.

I am surprised that some Muslims are not boycotting Cadbury for trying to entice Muslim children to celebrate Christian holidays.

 

[wn123455]

Virtually all non-meat products are halal.

If it does not contain, meat, intoxicants or insects any manufacturer is free to label it halal, It does not require any approval from any Islamic certification board. Like I said earlier nearly all foods are halal by default.

Manufacturers are using this as a marketing tool to garner the Muslim consumers.

It has nothing to do with Islam it is all about marketing practices to reach the most consumers.

I am surprised that some Muslims are not boycotting Cadbury for trying to entice Muslim children to celebrate Christian holidays.

 

[wn123455]

Who else it playing the boycott game other than you?

If you are not Muslim or Jew you are not likely to buy your food halal or kosher for the simple reason it is usually more expensive. No formal boycott needed. They don't make the food for you in the first place.

Except of course, New Zealand lamb and Hebrew National Hotdogs.

BDS?

 

[TG123]

BDS?

BDS boycotts Israeli products, not all Jewish products. If you wanted to be like BDS, you would boycott the products of those Muslim countries that occupy other countries, not products made by all Muslims.

As I stated previously, I don't support or take part in BDS.

 

[wn123455]

BDS boycotts Israeli products, not all Jewish products. If you wanted to be like BDS, you would boycott the products of those Muslim countries that occupy other countries, not products made by all Muslims.

As I stated previously, I don't support or take part in BDS.

BDS may say they boycott Israeli products but I think I will let their actions speak instead.

Protesters target Max Brenner cafe

What the news won't show you about the Max Brenner protest - YouTube

islamist business and halal products should be boycotted. islamist business and halal products might fund islamic imperialism, islamic terrorism and islamization of non-muslim countries. I have not found a website that has a global list of islamist businesses that I can boycott though.

Two can play the same ‘BOYCOTT’ game | BARE NAKED ISLAM

 

[TG123]

BDS may say they boycott Israeli products but I think I will let their actions speak instead.

Protesters target Max Brenner cafe

What the news won't show you about the Max Brenner protest - YouTube

islamist business and halal products should be boycotted. islamist business and halal products might fund islamic imperialism, islamic terrorism and islamization of non-muslim countries. I have not found a website that has a global list of islamist businesses that I can boycott though.

Two can play the same ‘BOYCOTT’ game | BARE NAKED ISLAM

Max Brenner is an Israeli chocolate retail store, so the boycott of it is a boycott of an Israeli product, and in line with what BDS advocates.

The shameful chant of "we support genocide" is disgusting and wrong. I have been to many pro-Palestinian protests where I live, and one during which we picketed a company that does business in the West Bank. No one has ever said or shouted things at these demonstrations in support of violence or against Jews. We often have Jewish activist leaders speak at our rallies, and both Jewish and non-Jewish activists stress that Israel's actions towards the Palestinians are not equivalent to Jews or Judaism. Never have people at rallies I have gone to called for Israel's destruction.

People who would have said such things would have been asked to leave immediately.

If you want to boycott all Muslim products, go ahead. You will be a minority, as BDS are a minority. It won't really make much an impact, since most people realize that it is wrong to punish all people of a certain nation or religion (and BDS don't even do that, boycotting all Jewish [not Israeli] stores and companies).

The only people I know who boycott (or try to boycott) all things Jewish are white supremacists. As we have seen already, you share a lot of their mentality, so perhaps you applying their tactics would be understandable.

 

[WoodrowX2]

BDS may say they boycott Israeli products but I think I will let their actions speak instead.

Protesters target Max Brenner cafe

What the news won't show you about the Max Brenner protest - YouTube

islamist business and halal products should be boycotted. islamist business and halal products might fund islamic imperialism, islamic terrorism and islamization of non-muslim countries. I have not found a website that has a global list of islamist businesses that I can boycott though.

Two can play the same ‘BOYCOTT’ game | BARE NAKED ISLAM

islamist business and halal products should be boycotted.

I strongly urge you to go for it. I support your effort to boycott all Halal products. Here are some tips to help you in your boycott.

One thing that may pose a problem, for you, is that because a product is halal does not mean it is produced by Muslims or a Muslim owned business.

Cadbury's for example

Most Halal products are Halal by default no matter who makes them.

It would be easier to find the products that are not halal and buy just those. Although that will limit your buying to just some meat products, alcoholic beverages, foods that deliberately contain insects, alcohol and illegal narcotics. But many of those would be made using some halal products. Even pig farmers support halal products if they feed their pigs any grain as all grains are halal

. Nearly everything else will be halal or contain halal products no matter who makes it. Such as bread, pastries, cereals, anything made with grains or flour will be halal or contain halal products no matter who makes it. As all grains are halal, no matter who grows it.

Because something is labelled halal does not mean it is made by Muslims or an Islamic owned company.

Virtually all seafood is Halal. Except for shellfish which there is no consensus about, some of us feel they are Halal, some of us feel they are Makruh and some of us feel shellfish are Haram(forbidden)

Perhaps you might want to start a movement for producers to label all non-halal foods as Haram(Not permitted for Muslims) It would be far easier to do that as it would be a very short list.

Except for Liquor stores, I can not think of any stores that do not sell mostly halal products. But even liquor makers have to buy grain to make their products and all grains are halal.

I think you may have a problem trying to do a 100% boycott of halal products as virtually everything is halal or requires a halal product in it's production. Even if you grow your own grains and vegetables, they will still be halal.

The halal label does not mean it is produced by Muslims, it merely indicates the product is permissible for Muslims to use.

Going over definitions again.

Halal--Permissible for Muslims to use

Makruh--Permissable for Muslims to use, but best if avoided. No sin to use, but it is a blessing not to.

Haram--Forbidden for Muslims to use

Again a halal label does not mean it is produced by Muslims, it simply means it is permissible for a Muslim to use it.

Lots of luck with your boycott. Don't forget water is a Halal product. For a true Halal boycott you will have to stop using water and things that contain water.

 

[TG123]

I strongly urge you to go for it. I support your effort to boycott all Halal products. Here are some tips to help you in your boycott.

One thing that may pose a problem, for you, is that because a product is halal does not mean it is produced by Muslims or a Muslim owned business.

Cadbury's for example

Most Halal products are Halal by default no matter who makes them.

It would be easier to find the products that are not halal and buy just those. Although that will limit your buying to just some meat products, alcoholic beverages, foods that deliberately contain insects, alcohol and illegal narcotics. But many of those would be made using some halal products. Even pig farmers support halal products if they feed their pigs any grain as all grains are halal

. Nearly everything else will be halal or contain halal products no matter who makes it. Such as bread, pastries, cereals, anything made with grains or flour will be halal or contain halal products no matter who makes it. As all grains are halal, no matter who grows it.

Because something is labelled halal does not mean it is made by Muslims or an Islamic owned company.

Virtually all seafood is Halal. Except for shellfish which there is no consensus about, some of us feel they are Halal, some of us feel they are Makruh and some of us feel shellfish are Haram(forbidden)

Perhaps you might want to start a movement for producers to label all non-halal foods as Haram(Not permitted for Muslims) It would be far easier to do that as it would be a very short list.

Except for Liquor stores, I can not think of any stores that do not sell mostly halal products. But even liquor makers have to buy grain to make their products and all grains are halal.

I think you may have a problem trying to do a 100% boycott of halal products as virtually everything is halal or requires a halal product in it's production. Even if you grow your own grains and vegetables, they will still be halal.

The halal label does not mean it is produced by Muslims, it merely indicates the product is permissible for Muslims to use.

Going over definitions again.

Halal--Permissible for Muslims to use

Makruh--Permissable for Muslims to use, but best if avoided. No sin to use, but it is a blessing not to.

Haram--Forbidden for Muslims to use

Again a halal label does not mean it is produced by Muslims, it simply means it is permissible for a Muslim to use it.

Lots of luck with your boycott. Don't forget water is a Halal product. For a true Halal boycott you will have to stop using water and things that contain water.

LOL!!!!! Brilliant!!!!

 

[WoodrowX2]

For the die-hards that want to be certain they are avoiding Halal foods, it must be remembered that most halal foods do not require any ritual or special preparations. As most Halal foods are not labelled Halal, one can use the steps us Muslims use to be certain we are eating halal even when in a land we do not speak the language. Here are 6 steps we use to be certain we are getting Halal food

Traveling across the state or across the world can be exciting and a chance to re-charge your internal batteries, a welcome a change of pace and scenery. Finding Halal food and eating Halal in the sky or on the road, however, isn't always as easy.


Even though the word Halal is beginning to penetrate common everyday lingo across the United States and Europe, it isn't as well-known a term as kosher, vegan, vegetarian or gluten-free diets. That said, restaurants, airlines, hotels and supermarkets may either misunderstand or be completely unaware of the Islamic dietary lifestyle for Muslims that disapproves of pork, alcohol and all their by-products in food Muslims will consume.

So what can you do when you have done your research and do not find Halal food establishments in the destination that you are travelling to?
Here are some simple steps that you can take to ensure that you and your family are eating Halal even when you are traveling to such places:

1 . Pack healthy, Halal snacks and instant food s like oatmeal or couscous to curb your hunger. In the U.S., stores like Trader Joe's and Whole Foods
are great places to find packaged nuts, dried fruits and vegetarian cereal bars without the extra sodium or unhealthy ingredients like MSG.

2. Bring your own utensil s for on-the-go eating and a hot pot for your hotel room. You might find some really cool places to shop for fresh foods in outdoor markets at your destination. You may even be able to have a mini-picnic with your food finds. If you have to stay indoors for breakfast or to get some work done, a hot pot will allow you to make your own food for the meantime. Just be sure to bring an electric outlet adapter if traveling abroad.

3 . Once you arrive, it's time to soak in the fresh change of pace, scenery and people. If you have some time, try the nearest farmers' market . In the United States, the simplest way to search is by going online to Local Harvest , which provides links to the blogs and websites of markets and events surrounding local foods. What a great way to meet people and find fresh, halal foods like fruits, vegetables and organic drinks you can sample and purchase. You may want to visit some of the best farmers markets in the world. For a complete list, check out Hub Pages. Com for the markets listed, which are mainly outside of the United States.

4 . Want to dine out but are confused about which ethnic ingredients may or may not be Halal? Print the Eating Out page on My Halal Kitchen which breaks down the different names for pork or alcohol in food items at Mexican, Italian, French and some American food restaurants.

5 . If you haven't planned much ahead of time, simply shop at local stores for the most natural product s (fruits, vegetables, bread, honey, etc.), as packaged goods seem to have the most questionable ingredients in them. Store them in your hotel refrigerator or buy goods that won't spoil if left out.

6 . When dining out, opt for the least-processed, vegetarian or seafood meal you can be sure aren't made with pork or alcohol in them. Politely requesting to know more about the preparation of foods as soon as you've had a scan through the menu, will give your server a head's up about your dietary requirements.

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If you desire to avoid accidentally eating Halal foods you can use those 6 steps to see what foods to avoid.

Again remember Halal means it is permissible for Muslims. It does not mean it has had any special preparations, was produced by Muslims or had any prayers said over it.


The only exception are some Meat products. Basically if a meat product is Kosher, it is also Halal. So if you are avoiding Halal be certain to also avoid Kosher. While all Kosher meats are halal not all halal meats are Kosher. This has to do with the restrictions Jews have on hind quarters

I will reiterate again. A Halal label on a product does not mean it was prepared by Muslims, comes from a Muslim owned producer, had any special preparations or had any prayers said over it (The exception being some halal meats) also the halal symbol does not mean the company has paid a fee to anyone for the Halal symbol. Currently there are no central certification agencies for Halal labeling in the USA or most of the world for that matter.

There also are no USA laws governing who is or is not permitted to label something Halal, even us Muslims can not be certain if a Halal labelled product is really halal. We have to still do our individual checking of the ingredients. For the most part we have to trust the integrity of the seller.

I have seen prepared Turkey's stuffed with pork sausage labelled Halal.