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I am very concerned that you, a Christian believer, are willing to kill someone to protect your own butt! You have a gun just for that purpose! So you must have it on your mind at times that one day you just might have to blow someone's brains out!



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You should read the old Testament Not only were the Israelites WILLING to kill but they where ordered by GOD to kill ........... David alone kill thousands of people and he was called? "the evil no faith killer?" OR the Man after Gods own heart.

So if it is ok to invade a country of immoral people and kill them ....
why isn't it ok for me to shoot one who is in my house i fail to see the logic !:doh:

Oh and if you are thinking about going off on some "but we live by the new testament not the old" rant... remember JESUS himself said that he did not come abolish the old covenant but to complete it !
And the fact that God is NEVER changing which means he didn't change his mind about the issue overnight ! and if he did ... then David and Joshua and Elisha and Elijah and just about Every hero of the old testament is in hell !



God makes decisions on what should happen in the physical based on the eternal (spiritual ) realm not vice versa !
 
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We have personal firearms because law enforcement holds no duty to protect citizens from criminals.

Its true.

In the case Hartzler v. City of San Jose, the supreme court established that the police had no guilt in failing to protect Ms. Hartzlera fter telling a 911 operator her estranged husband called and said he was on his way to kill her.

Think about it. How many times do you read in the paper about the PD foiling a murder or valiently protcting a citizen from attack. Every day you do read that there were murders and the police are looking into them.

The police have said that Americans protection falls on Americans themselves.
 
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I think guns are great! They are a pretty cool technology. I don't care if nobody else wants to have one in their house, I'm gonna always have one. Actually like 5 or 6.

Right now, I have a .44 magnum revolver, 12 guage pump shotgun, .22 rifle, .38 special, a BB gun, and a handgun from my grandfather (no idea what caliber).

I'd like to get a Glock one day cause they are pretty cool!

Whoever said 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' was RIGHT! Guns are good.
 
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What concerns me most about this thread is that people are forming opinions about American society (or anything, for that matter) based on a Michael Moore film.

He has a proven propogandist and provacateur with a penchant for selective editing and extreme skewing of context with the end of driving home his agenda.

For the record, I own three guns.

Most people in the area in which I live, and in the area in which I grew up, likely own firearms.

Gun crime is exceedingly rare.
 
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Yeah, guns are nothing but a tool, wether you're protecting yourself, your livestock, or just your stuff. I live in the middle of no where, and we do have such animals like bear, cougars, wolves, what have you that kill our live stock, I don't know if you've ever had to go find some of your animals like eaten and what not, but it's not cool, and if you could possibly prevent it, it's a good thing, and as for protecting yourself, having a handgun is a good thing, I mean have you ever been mugged? or attacked by a big angry dog? Being able to protect yourself is a pretty cool thing to be able to do.
 
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I picked up a handgun once and fired it. I also fired an elephant gun once.

When I picked up the handgun it came to me, "You have a gun. These take away lives." and when I realized I was holding a weapon that takes away life, I realized I will never ever pick up a gun ever again.
It's one thing to imagine having/using a gun. It's an entirely different thing when you have one in your hands and you realize: "This is the weapon used to murder people."

Guns are evil, plain and simple. Anything created to kill other men are evil. And don't let ignorance or blindsightedness fool you; guns were made to kill humans. War/murder is one of the primary means for obtaining inventions and new ideas.
War is murder, no christian should ever kill anyone else (as it is the eptiome of evil to take away anyone's life), hunting is barbaric, and guns shouldn't be allowed for anyone.

Hunt for food? Get real, it's the 21st century. If you want meat, go to wal-mart. There's no sense in murdering living creatures for fun.
Pfft, whatever.

Christianity is Pacifism.
Pacifists don't own guns.
 
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Guns eh...I don't know where I stand on guns. I think it's just like everything else that has the potential to be fatal (e.g. Cars). Everyone loves to drive but know that one wrong move or handling it in a wrong way can cause fatalities.

The deal with guns is that instead of 'fender benders' or minor car accidents, an accident with a gun will more often than not equal a fatality.

I don't think guns should be legal unless somesort of licence has been given to said person(s) - just like a driving licence. That's not to say that there won't be any more accidents with guns as to completely stop gun related crimes would mean relinquishing guns forever. Just like to prevent any more fatalities involving cars, you'd have to stop automobile transport worldwide, bringing the world to a standstill.

People need cars, people like cars and people collect cars. People like guns, certain people need guns and people collect guns too. I just think it's their obilgation to be responisble with their firearms - which most of you sound like you are. But do not be surprised if people are against the idea, alot of people are against the usage of cars (especially in the city centre where public transport is much quicker). The British government is against the usage of cars in London town. Just like people who don't need a gun still own a gun, they just have to follow the laws of possessing one.
 
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See i can understand where Ronny Rulz is coming from but it's not that simple.

'Get Real and go to Wal Mart' - what about the people who supply walmart with their livestock. Do they not have to protect their investment? What if you were raising a herd of cows to be slaughtered in order to meet your order of 12 sides of beef to your local butcher but a pack of jackals continued to kill off your herd - would you not kill the jackal in order to meet your order?

I understand exactly where you are coming from when you say 'I will never ever pick up a gun ever again' becuase Guns Take Away Lives. But as I said in my previous post, so do cars. When I get in my car, I hardly ever think to myself, 'If I make one wrong move, I could and will probably kill someone.'

But we have positive and necessary use for cars. Not only are they a source of convenience, they are essential to the running of our world: Taking our mail, transporting not only people, medical supplies, urgent documents even animals. They provide a use even though they have the potential to be negative - much like humans to God. We are designed to do his purpose, but many of us don't and just use our potential for other, less important uses (at least at some point in our lives - even Paul was a sinful tax collector before writing half the the New Testament).

In terms of Guns, we do need them - just that all of us do not need them. Inherently, by using guns we automatically allow the negative use of guns because somewhere down the line, someone is going to abuse the power and there will be 'weeping and gnashing of teeth'. We need guns, to protect our livestock, for competitions, for hunting itself (yes people still hunt for food - maybe not in the Western World but guns are great hunting tools) and to protect ourselves. Some Christians believe that we should not protect ourselves, and adopt the 'turn the other cheek' parable that Jesus so rightly said (I agree), but how far do you take that idea? For example, if we disarmed all our forces, and withdrew from every war and conflict that we were into, what if a group came with guns to shoot us and kill us. Would we not shoot back and just be killed or do we continue in our ways of 'Kill or Be Killed'?

Here's one thing that makes me raise those points. I was reading Luke and I believe in everything that Jesus says, the ability to turn the other cheek is one every CHristian must have but watch this.

Luke 22:35 - 38 - Jesus was about to be arrested- 'When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?'

'Nothing.'

'But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag and if you don't have sword, sell your cloak and buy one.'

'See Lord, here are two swords.'

'That is enough'
 
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I picked up a handgun once and fired it. I also fired an elephant gun once.

When I picked up the handgun it came to me, "You have a gun. These take away lives." and when I realized I was holding a weapon that takes away life, I realized I will never ever pick up a gun ever again.
It's one thing to imagine having/using a gun. It's an entirely different thing when you have one in your hands and you realize: "This is the weapon used to murder people."

Guns are evil, plain and simple. Anything created to kill other men are evil. And don't let ignorance or blindsightedness fool you; guns were made to kill humans. War/murder is one of the primary means for obtaining inventions and new ideas.
War is murder, no christian should ever kill anyone else (as it is the eptiome of evil to take away anyone's life), hunting is barbaric, and guns shouldn't be allowed for anyone.

Hunt for food? Get real, it's the 21st century. If you want meat, go to wal-mart. There's no sense in murdering living creatures for fun.
Pfft, whatever.

Christianity is Pacifism.
Pacifists don't own guns.
Christianity is anything but Passivism (or pacifism, as you put it)

Jesus said "GO therefore into all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father."

That doesn't seem like a passive command.

God commands us to ACTIVELY seek Him and praise Him.

Or do you serve some other god?
 
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Christianity is anything but Passivism (or pacifism, as you put it)

Jesus said "GO therefore into all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father."

That doesn't seem like a passive command.

God commands us to ACTIVELY seek Him and praise Him.

Or do you serve some other god?
Points coming your way
 
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Thanks Uyulala.


I'd like to add one more thought for the group...

Cars kill more people than guns.

Cigarettes kill more people than guns.

Famine has killed more people than guns.

Airplanes kill people.

Rope can kill people.

Animals kill people.

Boats have killed people.

People have been killed during recreational activities.

I even knew a guy who died while he was running. (he ran into a goalpost on a football field because he was looking behind him - killed him instantly)



Are goalposts evil?

Is it wrong to have a piece of rope?

Is it a sin to own a boat?

Are you attempting murder when you drive a car?

Are animals bad? What about pit bulls?

How much longer could I go on?


Guns are tools. Hammers are tools. You could kill a person with a hammer... think about it...

Where is the logic in saying that guns are evil.


Should we call Henry Ford and Orville and Wilber Wright the 'fathers of death' for making vehicles that have killed so many?

NO

Neither should we blame the inventors of the gun, or the gun itself for ending lives.


I never saw a gun that got up and shot somebody on its own.

Can we lay this silly argument to rest?

A gun, in and of itself, is NOT EVIL!
 
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I agree. I don't think Christianity is at all about adopting a passive attitude. In fact, God wants all his followers to actively seek him so if you want to be passive about matters, I truly believe you are adopting a vulnerable approach to your faith.

You don't serve some other GOd, you just have to look your attitude toward your faith. Do you just wait for things to happen, do you practice pacifism or are you pro-active?

Christianity is most definately not pacifism.
 
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Thanks Uyulala.


I'd like to add one more thought for the group...

Cars kill more people than guns.

Cigarettes kill more people than guns.

Famine has killed more people than guns.

Airplanes kill people.

Rope can kill people.

Animals kill people.

Boats have killed people.

People have been killed during recreational activities.

I even knew a guy who died while he was running. (he ran into a goalpost on a football field because he was looking behind him - killed him instantly)



Are goalposts evil?

Is it wrong to have a piece of rope?

Is it a sin to own a boat?

Are you attempting murder when you drive a car?

Are animals bad? What about pit bulls?

How much longer could I go on?


Guns are tools. Hammers are tools. You could kill a person with a hammer... think about it...

Where is the logic in saying that guns are evil.


Should we call Henry Ford and Orville and Wilber Wright the 'fathers of death' for making vehicles that have killed so many?

NO

Neither should we blame the inventors of the gun, or the gun itself for ending lives.


I never saw a gun that got up and shot somebody on its own.

Can we lay this silly argument to rest?

A gun, in and of itself, is NOT EVIL!
Again, more points coming your way :D
 
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