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[essentialsaltes]

When life gives you felony convictions...

 

[stevevw]

Which just goes to show the deficit is a non-issue. The GOP only uses it to criticize democrats, then they build it up faster than the dems do when they're in power.

Dick Cheney called it.

-- A2SG. not something I say often...

Its still a relevant isse and in fact the number 1 issue for most voters which is the economy and decificts relate to economic health.

Traditionally its the Right who have been the economic responsible managers at least in most western nations. Thatcher is a classic example but in my country the Right always got the economy in the black only to have the Left come and spend it all and go in debt.

Thats because philosophically the Right are conservatives generally especially with money. They are traditionally the oners that get behind business and privatisation. Whereas the Left are the socialists and support the welfare state which consumes a large portion of the budget. They want to tax businesses to get the money. Welfare and government institutions are not usually a profit venture so it drains the budget,

But things began to change in the 80's with the onset of capitalism and neoliberalism where even the Left began to privatise and both parties were consumed with market economies. Then came Covid and things changed again where even the Right had to spend big on welfare and prop business up to avoid further damage.

But I think we are still in that phase of recovery from Covid especially when Trump was in. But hopefully we should see at least steps towards balancing things. That doesn't seem to be happening at the moment where now even bigger spending than Covid seems the norm. People demand a certain standard and its hard to now say to them 'no we have to make sacrificies'.

 

[stevevw]

When life gives you felony convictions...

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See this is exactly what I was talking about. This will be common go to reply for the Left between now and especially closer to the election.

If the debate doesn't go well don't worry 'Trumps a felon', if Biden is busted telling lies again, don't worry 'Trumps a felon', if Biden is completely endangering the US with his open border policy, don't worry 'Trumps a felon', if Biden is putting our children in hock, don't worry 'Trumps a felon', if Biden is doing dirty deals with the Iranisans don't worry 'Trumps a felon', if hes destroying our institutions, don't worry 'Trumps a felon' lol.

I don't think Trump being a felon had much bearing on the debate which shows its not the most important issue for most at the moment. The Left is in panic mode right now with the credibility of their own candidate. Never mind Trump how about they sort out their own mess which they have been denying while throwing stones at the opposition.

 

[A2SG]

Its still a relevant isse and in fact the number 1 issue for most voters which is the economy and decificts relate to economic health.

That may be...but it doesn't change the fact that republicans drive the deficit up when they're in office, and complain about how high it is when they're not. They don't do a thing to bring it down.

Democrats, at the very least, don't drive it up as high as the GOP does.

So, seems to me, if the debt is the number one issue, then that voter really shouldn't be voting republican.

Traditionally its the Right who have been the economic responsible managers at least in most western nations.

I can't speak for most western nations, but it certainly hasn't been the case here in the US. Not with the GOP anyway.

Thatcher is a classic example but in my country the Right always got the economy in the black only to have the Left come and spend it all and go in debt.

The exact opposite happens here. The only president who was able to get the economy to a budget surplus was Clinton. The president who drove the deficit the highest was Reagan.

Thats because philosophically the Right are conservatives generally especially with money. They are traditionally the oners that get behind business and privatisation. Whereas the Left are the socialists and support the welfare state which consumes a large portion of the budget. They want to tax businesses to get the money. Welfare and government institutions are not usually a profit venture so it drains the budget,

But things began to change in the 80's with the onset of capitalism and neoliberalism where even the Left began to privatise and both parties were consumed with market economies. Then came Covid and things changed again where even the Right had to spend big on welfare and prop business up to avoid further damage.

But I think we are still in that phase of recovery from Covid especially when Trump was in. But hopefully we should see at least steps towards balancing things. That doesn't seem to be happening at the moment where now even bigger spending than Covid seems the norm. People demand a certain standard and its hard to now say to them 'no we have to make sacrificies'.

The GOP hasn't been the so-called "party of fiscal responsibility" for a while now, long before covid. Since Reagan, really.

But they still pretend they are. At least, when on the campaign trail. Not so much when it comes to actual governing.

-- A2SG, then it's tax cuts for the rich....and that's it....

 

[christian-surfer]

You try to compare a sexual predator like Trump to Biden as…what? Some sort of excuse for the man’s reprehensible behaviour? And you complain about ‘rules’?

I am not sure exactly what trump did, he paid a woman money. Maybe she made false accusations to get money. This has happened before or maybe he did sleep with her, I really don’t know. JFK had affairs apparently as did Martin Luther King which I guess the FBI had evidence of. The FBI can spy on you but you can’t spy on them.

I don’t think trump is perfect, I just think he’s a better choice for a lot of reasons that are complicated to explain or where to begin I am not sure.

 

[christian-surfer]

Speaking of the FBI/CIA, I believe they have tortured people, done experiments on people using drugs and torture and they have been basically immune to any oversight or prosecution at least that seems to be true at some point.

That is basically Nazi type of stuff. CIA whistleblowers who tried to expose CIA torture programs were put in jail by Obama. People maintain that these programs are essential for national security etc. People can believe such things if they chose i suppose but I have a hard time thinking that way. We actually seem to have no idea of what they actually do or to what extent. I have a problem with government by secrecy myself

 

[BCP1928]

Its still a relevant isse and in fact the number 1 issue for most voters which is the economy and decificts relate to economic health.

Too bad the number 1 issue for the political parties is other people's genitals. The Republicans even showed us pictures of Hunter Biden's genitals on live prime time TV.

 

[Bradskii]

I guess you’re never heard of Tara Reade (speaking of sexual predators like Biden)
In a March 25, 2020, interview with Katie Halper, Reade alleged that Biden pushed her against a wall, kissed her, put his hand under her skirt, penetrated her with his fingers, and asked, "Do you want to go somewhere else?"[14][36] Reade told National Public Radio (NPR) for an April 19 article, "His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent."[36] Reade told The Intercept her impression was that Biden believed he had consent and was surprised when she rejected him.[37] Reade told The New York Timesfor an April 12 article that when she pulled away from Biden, he looked puzzled and said, "Come on, man, I heard you liked me." She then said he told her "You're nothing to me, nothing," followed by "You're OK, you're fine.

This is again schoolyard arguing. You can’t excuse one person’s actions by trying to compare them to another.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Make your excuses. Spout your conspiracy theories. Tell us how this makes him an even better candidate.

Can't wait to hear from you.

Have you seen the debate? Enough said.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So many people are steaming mad about these 34 felony convictions. Who will now be their messiah in politics?

Who is the DNC going to replace Biden?

 

[BPPLEE]

This is again schoolyard arguing. You can’t excuse one person’s actions by trying to compare them to another.

You can’t accept that your chosen candidate has skeletons in his closet too. You can’t defend him so you deflect

 

[BCP1928]

You can’t accept that your chosen candidate has skeletons in his closet too. You can’t defend him so you deflect

Of course he does. But they are not the imaginary ones you guys talk about.

 

[essentialsaltes]

See this is exactly what I was talking about. This will be common go to reply for the Left between now and especially closer to the election.

That is not exactly what you were talking about. What I showed was someone on the Right demonstrating some sort of perverse pride in Trump's felony convictions.

These are not official campaign items, but clearly these are MAGA products for MAGA people.

 

[rturner76]

Have you seen the debate? Enough said.

I thought about that. Biden surely wasn't sharp. Still, I had to consider the difference between being attacked in a debate and not having a snappy comeback being slow with answers, and even forgetting his place. Even though he has slowed down, when it comes to making an informed decision and having time to consider the options, I believe he can still make informed decisions. A televised debate is a performance. Even if someone is not a good performer, it doesn't mean that they can carefully consider their options. With that said, Trump still stood up there and told bald face lies. I would much rather have an old man than a blatant liar and felon

 

[rturner76]

Who is the DNC going to replace Biden?

I don't think the debate changed much. People who vote Democrat will not switch to Trump. If anything, they would stay home. There is such a division in politics that it's more about the team than the candidate. Regardless of Biden's performance, he hasn't lost my vote. I would never degrade myself by voting for Trump

 

[Pommer]

What is needed to know if there was bias in the case of the People of NY vs. Donald J. Trump is those people involved in that case.

I wouldn’t mind if the people involved, on the prosecution’s side, would have a bias that the person that they’ve brought an indictment against is “guilty”.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I wouldn’t mind if the people involved, on the prosecution’s side, would have a bias that the person that they’ve brought an indictment against is “guilty”.

I should hope that the prosecutors think the people they charge have committed the charged crime. It would be really bad if they charged people they thought were not committing the crime.

 

[Bradskii]

You can’t accept that your chosen candidate has skeletons in his closet too. You can’t defend him so you deflect

I have no intention of trying to defend Biden. He is who he is, faults and all. But skeletons don't cancel each other out, do they...

 

[BPPLEE]

I have no intention of trying to defend Biden. He is who he is, faults and all. But skeletons don't cancel each other out, do they...

We have two poor choices for President. I’m voting for the one that I think will do more to improve the economy and not get us into a war, The other is just a figurehead.

 

[Bradskii]

We have two poor choices for President. I’m voting for the one that I think will do more to improve the economy...

Then let's examine what he's going to do to fix an economy as described here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/us-economy-excellent/678630/

Tell me what policies he's going to bring in to make things even better than they are now.

'Four years ago, the pandemic temporarily brought much of the world economy to a halt. Since then, America’s economic performance has left other countries in the dust and even broken some of its own records. The growth rate is high, the unemployment rate is at historic lows, household wealth is surging, and wages are rising faster than costs, especially for the working class. There are many ways to define a good economy. America is in tremendous shape according to just about any of them.

Right now America’s economic-growth rate is the envy of the world. From the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, U.S. GDP grew by 8.2 percent—nearly twice as fast as Canada’s, three times as fast as the European Union’s, and more than eight times as fast as the United Kingdom’s.

From the beginning of the pandemic through the fall of 2023, the last period for which we have good comparative data, real wages in both Europe and Japan fell. In Germany, workers lost 7 percent of their purchasing power; in Italy, 9 percent. By these metrics, the only workers in the entire developed world who are meaningfully better off than they were four years ago are American ones.'