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[A2SG]

What, the article I linked was an independent assessment of what maintaining and increasing the high level of debt will negatively effect the economy and stability of the US. Its certainly no small matter.

As the debt ration increases over time it becomes more crucial and a threat to instability. Certainly the US like other western nations are rapidly increasing the debt to GDP ration which is going in the opposite direction of warding off that instability.

People cannot afford to put a roof over their head, regular food on the table and the high cost of energy for the first time in a long time if not ever due to the ideologically based policies of politicians. As far as I remember the working class has always been able to afford these things.

I wouldn't worry. If Trump is elected come November, the GOP will stop talking about the debt again, just like they do during every Republican administration. It will go up, of course, you just won't hear the GOP talking about it.

Not until a democrat gets in office. Then, and only then, will it become a problem again.

Same as always.

-- A2SG, only one president in recent times brought the budget to a surplus....and it wasn't a republican....

 

[stevevw]

I wouldn't worry. If Trump is elected come November, the GOP will stop talking about the debt again, just like they do during every Republican administration. It will go up, of course, you just won't hear the GOP talking about it.

Not until a democrat gets in office. Then, and only then, will it become a problem again.

Same as always.

-- A2SG, only one president in recent times brought the budget to a surplus....and it wasn't a republican....

Thats how it normally works. The main aim of each side is to get power and then keep power even if that means denying the truth.

 

[A2SG]

Thats how it normally works. The main aim of each side is to get power and then keep power even if that means denying the truth.

Which just goes to show the deficit is a non-issue. The GOP only uses it to criticize democrats, then they build it up faster than the dems do when they're in power.

Dick Cheney called it.

-- A2SG. not something I say often...

 

[christian-surfer]

It's reporting a *fact*. Trump was convicted of a (couple dozen) felony. That's what a felon is. The wrong doing is marked by the guilty verdict.

There’s tons of innocent people in jail for one. The case was tried in a part of NY where it is 98% democrat. These judges are biased as well. It’s like people believe in judicial supremacy or infallibility, kind of like papal infallibility.

 

[Bradskii]

There’s tons of innocent people in jail for one. The case was tried in a part of NY where it is 98% democrat.

If you simply make up your facts then your opinions will carry no weight.

Politics of New York City - Wikipedia

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'Sixty-eight percent of registered voters in the city are Democrats. There are pockets of Republican strength in some sections of Brooklyn and Queens, and a large Republican stronghold in the more suburban Staten Island.'

So it's reasonable to assume that 4 were Republican. And it only needed one to have 'reasonable doubt' for the case to be thrown out.

 

[christian-surfer]

If you simply make up your facts then your opinions will carry no weight.

Politics of New York City - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

'Sixty-eight percent of registered voters in the city are Democrats. There are pockets of Republican strength in some sections of Brooklyn and Queens, and a large Republican stronghold in the more suburban Staten Island.'

So it's reasonable to assume that 4 were Republican. And it only needed one to have 'reasonable doubt' for the case to be thrown out.

It's just one angle of a complex history with Trump but I don't buy the lies. The Trump tower case seems ridiculous enough. The government claims you over valued your property. Most of these cases seem obviously heavily politically motivated.

Not all republicans are Trump supporters either

Manhattan, NY Politics & Voting

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The political climate in Manhattan, NY is very liberal.

New York County, NY is very liberal. In New York County, NY 86.4% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 12.2% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 1.4% voted Independent.

 

[Hans Blaster]

There’s tons of innocent people in jail for one.

Jail is for pre-trial detention and minor offenses. It's entirely possible that some who will eventually be acquitted are in jails right now.

The case was tried in a part of NY where it is 98% democrat. These judges are biased as well. It’s like people believe in judicial supremacy or infallibility, kind of like papal infallibility.

Even if your population argument contained truth, it is not an argument appropriate. What is needed to know if there was bias in the case of the People of NY vs. Donald J. Trump is those people involved in that case.

 

[christian-surfer]

The other thing is that people are ignorant about jury nullification. If you think the case is nonesense then you can pretty much ignore anything the judge tells you if you choose. Many people don't think that is true. I knew someone who said she thought that the person on trial was not treated fairly but she was a juror and they had to make a determination based on what the judge says on how to decide, what to ignore etc. If you disagree with the judge or the whole case, you can decide how you want but if you tried to or if you said that then a bunch of other jurors would probably freak out. They would tell the judge and the judge would probably try to get you thrown off the jury even though you are completely within your rights. The system can do nothing to prevent jury nullification, they can not punish a juror for disregarding the judge's instructions. People who try to go to court houses to hand out pamphlets about jury nullification probably get thrown off the property. I think I had heard that mentioned also. That is how the system is supposed to work, you are not a slave to the judge but the legal system works in it's own way.

I think I hinted at my views of the justice system so of course they didn't pick me to be a juror but my views are entirely correct

 

[Bradskii]

New York County, NY is very liberal. In New York County, NY 86.4% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 12.2% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 1.4% voted Independent.

We’re not talking county. You made your figures up. Even what you posted above contradicts what you said earlier.

 

[christian-surfer]

We’re not talking county. You made your figures up. Even what you posted above contradicts what you said earlier.

People who report these things where you hear the numbers apparently exaggerate sometimes but certainly the liberals on the other side exaggerate and lie as well.

If that's the county, I am not sure where the jurors came from but it's basically part of the issue being a liberal area.

The DA seemed to go out of his way by changing misdemeanors into felons. It's not clear what the real crime is, apparently it is election interference but that is a federal crime so it shouldn't be held in a state court.

The numerous court cases all happening and the same time and the problems with the other cases point to a series of politically motivated cases. I think in one of the cases there was no jury

 

[Bradskii]

People who report these things where you hear the numbers apparently exaggerate sometimes but certainly the liberals on the other side exaggerate and lie as well.

If that's the county, I am not sure where the jurors came from but it's basically part of the issue being a liberal area.

The DA seemed to go out of his way by changing misdemeanors into felons. It's not clear what the real crime is, apparently it is election interference but that is a federal crime so it shouldn't be held in a state court.

The numerous court cases all happening and the same time and the problems with the other cases point to a series of politically motivated cases. I think in one of the cases there was no jury

I think you need to spend more time learning about what you are posting about.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think you need to spend more time learning about what you are posting about.

Trump should be thanking these people, the jury, the prosecutors, the judges, he’s where he is today because of their actions and on his way to the White House

 

[Bradskii]

Trump should be thanking these people, the jury, the prosecutors, the judges, he’s where he is today because of their actions and on his way to the White House

Maybe Biden should pay for a porn star and sleep with her. If that’s what you think increases a person’s chance of getting into the Oval Office then your sense of moral character and mine aren‘t streets apart. They're not even in the same town.

 

[BPPLEE]

Maybe Biden should pay for a porn star and sleep with her. If that’s what you think increases a person’s chance of getting into the Oval Office then your sense of moral character and mine aren‘t streets apart. They're not even in the same town.

No, it’s the malicious, politically motivated prosecution that people are rejecting by voting for Trump. He’s winning in spite of himself

 

[Bradskii]

No, it’s the malicious, politically motivated prosecution that people are rejecting by voting for Trump. He’s winning in spite of himself

You know exactly what he did and why he was charged. You’d think that just having sex with a porn star while his wife was pregnant would exclude him from being considered for any position in most people’s mind. Seems not these days.

 

[BPPLEE]

You know exactly what he did and why he was charged. You’d think that just having sex with a porn star while his wife was pregnant would exclude him from being considered for any position in most people’s mind. Seems not these days.

Better someone who may have had sex with a grown woman than one who showers with his daughter

 

[Bradskii]

Better someone who may have had sex with a grown woman than one who showers with his daughter

No, you don’t get to use schoolyard arguments in an adult discussion. ‘But sir, he did it first, sir!’

 

[BPPLEE]

No, you don’t get to use schoolyard arguments in an adult discussion. ‘But sir, he did it first, sir!’

There’s just as much evidence for one as the other and you don’t get to make the rules that I argue by. If you can’t handle it it’s your problem

 

[Bradskii]

There’s just as much evidence for one as the other and you don’t get to make the rules that I argue by. If you can’t handle it it’s your problem

You try to compare a sexual predator like Trump to Biden as…what? Some sort of excuse for the man’s reprehensible behaviour? And you complain about ‘rules’?

 

[BPPLEE]

You try to compare a sexual predator like Trump to Biden as…what? Some sort of excuse for the man’s reprehensible behaviour? And you complain about ‘rules’?

I guess you’re never heard of Tara Reade (speaking of sexual predators like Biden)
In a March 25, 2020, interview with Katie Halper, Reade alleged that Biden pushed her against a wall, kissed her, put his hand under her skirt, penetrated her with his fingers, and asked, "Do you want to go somewhere else?"[14][36] Reade told National Public Radio (NPR) for an April 19 article, "His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent."[36] Reade told The Intercept her impression was that Biden believed he had consent and was surprised when she rejected him.[37] Reade told The New York Timesfor an April 12 article that when she pulled away from Biden, he looked puzzled and said, "Come on, man, I heard you liked me." She then said he told her "You're nothing to me, nothing," followed by "You're OK, you're fine.