Guess what I found about the Sabbath ? YOU MUST READ THIS!!

[ricker]

He rested.. it is our sign that we are to rest too. .. I do not believe it is a convenantal sign just for Israel?

"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.
14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death...............16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever

Do you ever see the Sabbath being given to anyone else?

 

[visionary]

"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.
14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death...............16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever

Do you ever see the Sabbath being given to anyone else?

Do you realise that in all the languages of the earth... most if not quite all have the seventh day ..sabbath name?

 

[bugkiller]

Do you realise that in all the languages of the earth... most if not quite all have the seventh day ..sabbath name?

And your statement proves what? If it is common, how can it be anything special? Afterall most, if not all ungodly societies observe it. I assume that you are placing that value by implication on the day. If so then it has no significant meaning or purpose in all those languages.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Hi visionary,

Would you mind answering this direct question? Maybe you are still working on an answer. Just want to make sure you did not miss it as it was on the previous page.

 

[ricker]

Originally Posted by ricker

"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.
14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death...............16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever

Do you ever see the Sabbath being given to anyone else?
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Do you realise that in all the languages of the earth... most if not quite all have the seventh day ..sabbath name?

Have you ignored my Biblical evidence that the sabbath was given exclusively to the nation of Israel as a sign, and tried to introduce a theory that is unbilical and irrelevant?

Are there any secular sources that verify this "same name" theory and conclude it means there was an ancient common worldwide sabbath that led to it?

 

[visionary]

REASONS WHY CHRISTIANS SHOULD OBSERVE THE SABBATH DAY
- Because God Sanctified the Sabbath
- Because Jesus Confirmed the Sabbath Commandment
- Because Paul Kept the Sabbath Day
- Because the New Testament Church kept the Sabbath Day
- Because the Sabbath Commandment is Part of the New Covenant
- Because the Sabbath will be Kept in the Last Days and During the Millennium
- Because there is a Penalty for Breaking the Sabbath Commandment

 

[visionary]

Have you ignored my Biblical evidence that the sabbath was given exclusively to the nation of Israel as a sign, and tried to introduce a theory that is unbilical and irrelevant?

Are there any secular sources that verify this "same name" theory and conclude it means there was an ancient common worldwide sabbath that led to it?

Jesus didn't say that the Sabbath was made for the Jews, but "the Sabbath was made for man," (Mark 2:27). The Greek words translated "man" in this scripture is o anqrwpoj (Gtr. ho anthropos). Look at some definitions of it:

(James Strong p26) "444. anqrwpoj (559x) anthropos ... man-faced i.e. a human being: man (552x), not tr (4x), misc. (3x).
Anthropos is used (1) generally of a human being, male or female, without reference to sex or nationality:"
(Joseph H. Thayer p46) "444. anqrwpoj -ou, o, [perh. fr. anhr and wy, i.e. man's face; ...] It is used 1. univ., with ref. to the genus or nature, without distinction of sex, a human being, whether male or female: Jn xvi 21. And in this sense a. with the article, generally, so as to include all human individuals: ..."

These definitions show that the scripture clearly indicates that the Sabbath was made for all mankind.

 

[visionary]

Even under the Old Covenant these Gentiles had to keep the Sabbath day:

(Exodus 12:49) "One law shall be to him who is home-born, and to the foreigner who sojourns among you."
(Exodus 20:10) "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your foreigner who is within your gates:
(Exodus 23:12) "Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest; that your ox and your ass may rest, and the son of your handmaid, and the foreigner, may be refreshed."
(Leviticus 24:22) "You shall have one manner of law, as well as for the foreigner, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God."
(Deuteronomy 5:14) "but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God: in it you shall not do any work, you ... nor your foreigner who is within your gates; ..."
(Isaiah 56:6-7) "Also the sons of the foreigner, who join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath from polluting it, and takes hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon my altar; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people."

The word foreigner in all these scriptures refer to someone who was not an Israelite.
Now the law applies (at least in a spiritual sense) to Gentiles as well as Jews, because "the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things," (Romans 15:27), and "the law is spiritual," (Romans 7:14).

 

[visionary]

The law is an evangelistic tool, as Paul said, "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;" (1 Timothy 1:8). Therefore it is good to use the law to convert Gentiles to Christ:

(Psalm 19:7) "The law of the law is perfect, converting the soul:"
(Romans 3:19) "Now we know that whatever things the law says, it says to those who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."

"All the world" includes Gentiles, and "all the world" is who the law is for, including the Sabbath day.

 

[Avonia]

"All the world" includes Gentiles, and "all the world" is who the law is for, including the Sabbath day.

Paul was confused about the difference between laws man created and Divine Law. It is no more possible to break Divine Law than to break God.

 

[ricker]

Even under the Old Covenant these Gentiles had to keep the Sabbath day:

(Exodus 12:49) "One law shall be to him who is home-born, and to the foreigner who sojourns among you."
(Exodus 20:10) "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your foreigner who is within your gates:
(Exodus 23:12) "Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest; that your ox and your ass may rest, and the son of your handmaid, and the foreigner, may be refreshed."
(Leviticus 24:22) "You shall have one manner of law, as well as for the foreigner, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God."
(Deuteronomy 5:14) "but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God: in it you shall not do any work, you ... nor your foreigner who is within your gates; ..."
(Isaiah 56:6-7) "Also the sons of the foreigner, who join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath from polluting it, and takes hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon my altar; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people."

The word foreigner in all these scriptures refer to someone who was not an Israelite.
Now the law applies (at least in a spiritual sense) to Gentiles as well as Jews, because "the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things," (Romans 15:27), and "the law is spiritual," (Romans 7:14).

I honestly don't have time to deal with all these verses yanked out of context. I will just deal with the first one for an example:

If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. 49There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you."
50All the people of Israel did just as the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron. 51And on that very day the LORD brought the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their hosts.

This is speaking of the Passover, before the sabbath commandment was even given! It says the uncircumcised cannot partake of Israel's holy day (Passover). Does this shows that sabbath observance is required of Gentiles? I think not.

I don't see anything anywhere that would contradict the clear statements that the sabbath was exclusively given to the nation of Israel as their sign. It was certainly possible for strangers to join Israel as prosylites by circumcision and be joined to their covenant. (including their sign).

 

[visionary]

Isaiah 56:1-8



1 Thus says the LORD:
“ Keep justice, and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come, And My righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil.” 3 Do not let the son of the foreigner Who has joined himself to the LORD Speak, saying,

“ The LORD has utterly separated me from His people”; Nor let the eunuch say,“ Here I am, a dry tree.” For thus says the LORD:

“ To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5 Even to them I will give in My house And within My walls a place and a name (Yad Vashem) Better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name That shall not be cut off. 6 “ Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.” The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, “ Yet I will gather to him Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

 

[ricker]

Isaiah 56:1-8



1 Thus says the LORD:
“ Keep justice, and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come, And My righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil.” 3 Do not let the son of the foreigner Who has joined himself to the LORD Speak, saying,

“ The LORD has utterly separated me from His people”; Nor let the eunuch say,“ Here I am, a dry tree.” For thus says the LORD:

“ To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5 Even to them I will give in My house And within My walls a place and a name (Yad Vashem) Better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name That shall not be cut off. 6 “ Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.” The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, “ Yet I will gather to him Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

This is of course speaking of foreigners (prosylites) being joined to the Lord through the old covenant with Israel, which is now passed. I does speak of the sabbath, along with burnt offerings on alters and the old sanctuary. None of this is commanded to Gentile Christians under the new covenant. In fact Acts says just the opposite.

 

[visionary]

This is of course speaking of foreigners (prosylites) being joined to the Lord through the old covenant with Israel, which is now passed. I does speak of the sabbath, along with burnt offerings on alters and the old sanctuary. None of this is commanded to Gentile Christians under the new covenant. In fact Acts says just the opposite.

As x-sabbatarians, I would say that you are well versed in why you have chosen to head the direction you have taken on this matter. I am going to bow out of this thread.

 

[ricker]

As x-sabbatarians, I would say that you are well versed in why you have chosen to head the direction you have taken on this matter. I am going to bow out of this thread.

As I have said before, I have no problem with people worshipping on the Sabbath and can respect and understand their beliefs. I just hope to convey it is not as "cut and dried" an issue as I was taught being raised as an Adventist. I don't believe it should create a divide as it sometimes seems to.
God bless! Ricker