Guam kingfisher

[Diamond72]

No.

I have a theory that Noah lived in [what is now] New Jersey before the Flood.

This is because:

First of all, the Ark was to be made with pitch, a product of the pine tree, and "New Jersey" is ripe with pine trees.

New Jersey Pine Barrens

Second of all, with there being no large bodies of water -- (such as the Atlantic Ocean) -- "New Jersey" was much, much closer to Mesopotamia than it is today.

Thirdly, God told Adam to repopulate the earth, and I don't believe the earth's population at the time of the Flood was confined to just the Mesopotamian region.

"New Jersey" was outside of Mesopotamia at the time; just where you might expect to find Noah living.

After all, the United States settled from coast-to-coast -- (a distance of some 3000 miles) -- in about 150 years.

Adam's people had 1656 years of expansion prior to the Flood.

In no way, shape, or form do I think Noah was living in Mesopotamia prior to the Flood.

Many individuals throughout New Jersey's history have viewed the state as a paradise, a Garden of Eden, that offers a fulfilling experience for the body, mind, and spirit. This view is reflected in the state's nickname, "Garden State," which acknowledges its abundant parks, gardens, and green spaces, as well as its rich cultural heritage and diverse communities. New Jersey continues to be a destination for those seeking a well-rounded and fulfilling experience.

 

[AV1611VET]

Many individuals throughout New Jersey's history have viewed the state as a paradise, a Garden of Eden, that offers a fulfilling experience for the body, mind, and spirit. This view is reflected in the state's nickname, "Garden State," which acknowledges its abundant parks, gardens, and green spaces, as well as its rich cultural heritage and diverse communities. New Jersey continues to be a destination for those seeking a well-rounded and fulfilling experience.

Noah's Ark Delicatessen in Teaneck, New Jersey

 

[Hans Blaster]

How did the related species get to Guam from Noah's ark? Did it just fly there. If that is the case how did the kangaroo get to Australia? Did they swim there or did Noah drop them off there? It is ok to say they evolved, but they had to have evolved from something.

Wait, wait, wait...

I thought your position was that the Noachian flood was a local flood in Mesopotamia?

If that is the case, then why do birds native to an island in the Pacific need to be saved from the flooding of a land in SW Asia?

 

[Diamond72]

I thought your position was that the Noachian flood was a local flood in Mesopotamia?

Noah's flood was what we would call a local flood. But it affected a very important biodiverse ecosystem. They use words like paradigm and archetype. So Noah's flood is connected with the world wide flood that took place at Pangea. The plants and animals on Noah's ark did spread to the world. Science has done a lot of research on how civilization begins in ancient Mesopotamia and spread to Europe from there. Civilization spread from the Middle East to the rest of the world through a combination of migration, trade, and the spread of cultural and religious beliefs. The Neolithic Revolution, also known as the Agricultural Revolution, is a term used to describe the transition from hunter-gatherer societies to settled agricultural communities. This shaped the world as we know it today.

Guam is remote and isolated. So that presents an interesting situation. They only have 6,000 year of history. Unless you look at the coral reefs. But you would really need to know what you are doing to study that. Also, you would at least need a snorkel or air tanks. Although quite a few people do go to Guam just to study that biodiverse ecosystem.

 

[Diamond72]

If that is the case, then why do birds native to an island in the Pacific need to be saved from the flooding of a land in SW Asia?

Wild birds do not need to be saved. The plants and animals Noah saved were from Eden. The plants were cultivated and the animals were domesticated. The professors with PhD's in Botney know how wild plants in the middle east became domesticated. I had some wild plants that I tried to cultivate and ended up ruining them.

 

[Diamond72]

Noah's Ark Delicatessen in Teaneck, New Jersey

It is funny how everything you come up with one of your wild theories, there is a grain of truth to it. Then you say it is just intuition.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Is this easier for you to understand?

The Neolithic Revolution was a big change in the way people lived a long, long time ago. Before this revolution, people were hunters and gatherers, which means they lived by finding food like berries and hunting animals. But during the Neolithic Revolution, people started to farm and keep animals. This made it possible for them to stay in one place and have a steady source of food. This change allowed people to settle down and build towns and cities. It was a big step forward for humanity and allowed for the development of civilization.

In the story of the Garden of Eden, the first humans were given a new start in a special place where they lived in harmony with nature and had everything they needed. The Neolithic Revolution also marked a new start for humanity, as it allowed people to settle down in one place and have a more secure and reliable source of food. Both the Garden of Eden story and the Neolithic Revolution symbolize a change in the way people lived and interacted with their environment. In the case of the Garden of Eden story, it represents a new beginning for humanity in a perfect world, while the Neolithic Revolution marked the start of a new era in which people were able to build communities and eventually create civilizations. Both of these events were significant moments in human history that changed the course of human development.

And again: you're typing out so much without saying a single bloody thing.

The topic is about the Guam kingfisher, not the Neolithic revolution. You can't even keep focus on your own thread!

 

[Diamond72]

And again: you're typing out so much without saying a single bloody thing.

If you do not like my answers then quit asking questions.
You already know the responses you're going to get.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If you do not like my answers then quit asking questions.
You already know the responses you're going to get.

But you're giving responses to things people aren't even saying.

The thread topic is about how the Guam kingfisher got to Guam. It's not about the Neolithic Revolution or human evolution. It's about the Guam kingfisher.

 

[Diamond72]

But you're giving responses to things people aren't even saying.

I was responding to Hans.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I was responding to Hans.

No, you were responding to me since post #17 was addressed to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is funny how everything you come up with one of your wild theories, there is a grain of truth to it. Then you say it is just intuition.

Ya.

I didn't know New Jersey had that restaurant until I started posting my theory here on CF years ago.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I was responding to Hans.

No you weren't. The whole "neolithic revolution" thing was an off-topic response to Warden (and a back-and-forth at that). Please don't blame your side rambles on me.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Noah's flood was what we would call a local flood.

OK, so you do think it was a local flood. This should be the end of the message. (Oh, wait, there's more, how odd...)

But it affected a very important biodiverse ecosystem. They use words like paradigm and archetype.

Huh. (What are you a middle schooler?)

So Noah's flood is connected with the world wide flood that took place at Pangea.

What Pangea flood? All I get in the google machine is creationist apologetics. (Which all basically argue that it was Noah's flood.)

Pangea broke up about 200 million years before Guam even started to form.

The plants and animals on Noah's ark did spread to the world. Science has done a lot of research on how civilization begins in ancient Mesopotamia and spread to Europe from there. Civilization spread from the Middle East to the rest of the world through a combination of migration, trade, and the spread of cultural and religious beliefs. The Neolithic Revolution, also known as the Agricultural Revolution, is a term used to describe the transition from hunter-gatherer societies to settled agricultural communities. This shaped the world as we know it today.

Guam is remote and isolated. So that presents an interesting situation. They only have 6,000 year of history. Unless you look at the coral reefs. But you would really need to know what you are doing to study that. Also, you would at least need a snorkel or air tanks. Although quite a few people do go to Guam just to study that biodiverse ecosystem.

Irrelevant.

 

[Frank Robert]

Noah's flood was what we would call a local flood. But it affected a very important biodiverse ecosystem. They use words like paradigm and archetype. So Noah's flood is connected with the world wide flood that took place at Pangea. The plants and animals on Noah's ark did spread to the world. Science has done a lot of research on how civilization begins in ancient Mesopotamia and spread to Europe from there. Civilization spread from the Middle East to the rest of the world through a combination of migration, trade, and the spread of cultural and religious beliefs. The Neolithic Revolution, also known as the Agricultural Revolution, is a term used to describe the transition from hunter-gatherer societies to settled agricultural communities. This shaped the world as we know it today.

Guam is remote and isolated. So that presents an interesting situation. They only have 6,000 year of history. Unless you look at the coral reefs. But you would really need to know what you are doing to study that. Also, you would at least need a snorkel or air tanks. Although quite a few people do go to Guam just to study that biodiverse ecosystem.

Whether the flood was local or not the Guam kingfisher did not arrive in Guam they evolved in Guam from an ancestor species.

 

[Diamond72]

Whether the flood was local or not the Guam kingfisher did not arrive in Guam they evolved in Guam from an ancestor species.

So they were in Pangea and just got to Guam from there?

OK, so you do think it was a local flood. This should be the end of the message. (Oh, wait, there's more, how odd...)

There is more because Av thinks a day in Genesis is 24 hours and Eden was in New Jersey.

Huh. (What are you a middle schooler?)

I set chat bot on a 5th grade level so people cold better understand.d

What Pangea flood?

The Bible is FIRST literal, then symbolic. Noah's flood was a LITERAL flood first, then the symbolic flood took place in Pangea 200 million years ago. The evidence is that we find the dinosaur remains in flood deposits. All the way through the rocky mountains from Arizona to Wyoming. Even there is a building in Wyoming made from dinosaur bones because they are so abundant there.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So they were in Pangea and just got to Guam from there?

I don't have the evolutionary history of tthe Guam kingfisher on hand, so I don't know, but as I stated GUAM DIDN'T START EXISTING UNTIL about 200 Million years AFTER Pangea broke up.

There is more because Av thinks a day in Genesis is 24 hours and Eden was in New Jersey.

I don't care what he thinks even if he does live on Guam.

I set chat bot on a 5th grade level so people cold better understand.d

I haven't communicated at a 5th grade level since I was 7. That was a long time ago. Talk to me like an adult.

The Bible is FIRST literal, then symbolic. Noah's flood was a LITERAL flood first, then the symbolic flood took place in Pangea 200 million years ago.

I don't care about "symbolic floods".

The evidence is that we find the dinosaur remains in flood deposits. All the way through the rocky mountains from Arizona to Wyoming. Even there is a building in Wyoming made from dinosaur bones because they are so abundant there.

Rivers flood, so what.

 

[dlamberth]

The Bible is FIRST literal, then symbolic. Noah's flood was a LITERAL flood first, then the symbolic flood took place in Pangea 200 million years ago. The evidence is that we find the dinosaur remains in flood deposits. All the way through the rocky mountains from Arizona to Wyoming. Even there is a building in Wyoming made from dinosaur bones because they are so abundant there.

Just an interesting FYI: Those ancient bones came from dinosaurs that lived near or in a giant inland sea that divided North America into two. The area of abundance is localized in an area called "Como Bluff".

Como_Bluff

 

[Frank Robert]

So they were in Pangea and just got to Guam from there?

The kingfisher did not get to Guam, it evolved on Guam from an ancestor.

The Guam Kingfisher, called the Sihek in Chamorro, the native language of Guam, is one of three species of Micronesian Kingfishers. The other two species occur on the islands of Pohnpei, where the birds seem to be thriving, and Palau, where the population is declining. The kingfishers in these three different geographic locations were considered to be subspecies until 2015 when the taxonomy was changed and each was named a separate species.​

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The Guam Kingfisher and the other two Micronesian Kingfishers evolved from a common ancestor. All three evolved from the common ancestor in their respective locations.

 

[Diamond72]

The kingfisher did not get to Guam, it evolved on Guam from an ancestor.

That does not explain anything. Where did the common ancestor come from? There are 7000 islands.