GT Loved Ones, Help.

[JoeyRatzinger]

Take it however you want, Simon.

Thanks Bishop Battle, I shall.

 

[sunlover1]

You're kidding right?

I fear not...

I'm a bit confused as to why you appear to be
judging me here for my honest appeal for counsel.

If you, as a Cahtolic, brought you child to the priest
and said he/she wants to marry a protestant,
what would the result be?

My dad had to convert to catholicism before
he was allowed to marry my mom.
Is that different now?

 

[JoeyRatzinger]

I'm a bit confused as to why you appear to be
judging me here for my honest appeal for counsel.

If you, as a Cahtolic, brought you child to the priest
and said he/she wants to marry a protestant,
what would the result be?

My dad had to convert to catholicism before
he was allowed to marry my mom.
Is that different now?

I think anyone on here who downplays this issue best evaluate why they believe what they believe as well should compare the massive gulf between what reformed and non reformed faiths believe. As much as MANY would like to believe, God's view on how he justifies us isn't a one size fits all, He is pretty specific when you examine the written word He gave us. We are NOT both (reformed and UNreformed) right.

 

[Thekla]

I'm a bit confused as to why you appear to be
judging me here for my honest appeal for counsel.

If you, as a Cahtolic, brought you child to the priest
and said he/she wants to marry a protestant,
what would the result be?

My dad had to convert to catholicism before
he was allowed to marry my mom.
Is that different now?

at least in the case of my brothers, neither were required to convert (both of my SIL are RC).

 

[sunlover1]

at least in the case of my brothers, neither were required to convert (both of my SIL are RC).

Your brothers were protestant, married Catholics
and so how did that work for them?
They go to different churches?
(My son goes to church)

 

[Thekla]

Your brothers were protestant, married Catholics
and so how did that work for them?
They go to different churches?
(My son goes to church)

my older brother is not "observant", nor his wife

my younger brother and his wife both attend a RCChurch; my brother does not receive communion there, though. Their infant daughter was baptised by a protestant minister, and 'confirmed' later after a Mass. I attended a bit of the Mass; the service was not unlike (in tone) protestant services I have attended -- like a "relaxed" Episcopalian or Lutheran service.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Thanks Bishop Battle, I shall.

haven't you heard? I've been busted down to deacon. This keeps up, I'll be plain old laity in a day or two.

Why the sock?

 

[Rhamiel]

I'm a bit confused as to why you appear to be
judging me here for my honest appeal for counsel.

If you, as a Cahtolic, brought you child to the priest
and said he/she wants to marry a protestant,
what would the result be?

My dad had to convert to catholicism before
he was allowed to marry my mom.
Is that different now?

I am really sorry if I jumped the gun yesterday, bad day for me, and when I read the quote unequally yoked, I thought of the biblical context of christian and pagan, not just simply differant beliefs.
There are real problems that come up when Catholics and Protestants get married, but I would not say that it is a bad idea, it just makes things a little more complecated.
My mother is a member of the local methodist church, me and my dad go to our church on sunday mornings and she goes to her church. On easter me and my Dad went to sunrise service at her church because we think it is important to be together as a family for easter.

If a catholic marries a non-catholic they have to promise to raise the kids catholic, and they have to get married in a catholic church.

 

[JoeyRatzinger]

haven't you heard? I've been busted down to deacon. This keeps up, I'll be plain old laity in a day or two.

Why the sock?

Sick of my old name i've had it for to long. Plus I thought it fitting, we get accused often with the claim "that's your personal interpretation"
NOW I can say that is how joey Ratzinger interprets it!

 

[JoeyRatzinger]

haven't you heard? I've been busted down to deacon.

Favorite deacon:
Deacon Jones

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

talk to him

he's gotta man up and lead if they're in a real relationship

Man up, how, exactly?

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Daughter informed me that son (who still lives home) has
a girl, and her name is Mary, and he's not mentioned it
to me cos "didnt feel like playing 20 questions".
That was mostly a joke, and imo he didnt tell me
because she's Catholic (I found out later).

I said, "Jay" (not his real name) One question sweety,
not twenty, what church does she go to?
He said St such and such.
I said, "what the @#$% were you thinking".
(Subtle and supportive wasnt i?)


He said, well she goes to "insert name of emergent
church here" sometimes too.


That was yesterday in the AM.
Yes, I know we have to let the kids
make their own choices.
My question is this:
Do I say something?
Is there anything I should,
as a caring parent, say to son?
Is it none of my bi'ness

Or isnt it even an unequal yoking
should it get serious?
(this kid dont date, and is a very
goal oriented person like a "Paul")

Catholics/Protestants etc. What would
you guys do or say in that situation?

Help only please, no judging k?

thanks,
sunlover

well the way I see it, is that they're both Christian (yup Catholics are Christians ), and thus are not "unequally yoked". It's not like one of them is an atheist or something! If their church differences don't bother them, then I dont' think they should bother anyone else if eventually it would become a problem, they'll figure it out.

Maybe you could try just talking to "Jay" to get his perspective on this =) and then if he wants to, maybe he could talk to his pastor.

just my two cents... I may be wrong..

Peace

monica

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

God bless you Thekla for not reading
between the lines.

And I agree, praise God if she's Christian,
Heck, who knows just because someone
goes to ANY church, that they love the Lord.

I'm curious, if he said she was part of the same protestant denomination as you- would you question their faith in the same way as you clearly do Catholics?

I never understood people that questioned the faith for others. What basis do you have for questioning hers?

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I'm a bit confused as to why you appear to be
judging me here for my honest appeal for counsel.

If you, as a Cahtolic, brought you child to the priest
and said he/she wants to marry a protestant,
what would the result be?

My dad had to convert to catholicism before
he was allowed to marry my mom.
Is that different now?

You don't need to be Catholic to marry one.

 

[JoeyRatzinger]

Man up, how, exactly?

1st telling his mother up front
2nd explaining to this girl where exactly he stands in his faith and where his future stance is spiritually,
and what he expects spiritually in a relationship.

Knowing full well if this troubles her that it was confronted early b4 people were to get hurt.

 

[JoeyRatzinger]

well the way I see it, is that they're both Christian

Why? because they belong to churches, Monica until you can tell me for a fact that God is okay with two substantially different means of justification and show me this scripturally, this is up for debate.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

What I find interesting in how many people here talk about how all that matters is faith in Jesus. They'll say that no one is 100% correct about anything, but all that really matters is that you put faith in Christ, go to Church, et cetera.

Then when they find out someone is dating a Catholic, it is a crisis. I can't imagine their reaction to someone actually converting. If being a Christian, believing in Jesus was all that matter, then all this talk about being 'un-equally yoked' is nonsense.

I think people's objections to the Catholic Church aren't really based on rational arguments, but taught sentiments. If everyone is a little wrong in your view, then someone disagreeing with you by a Catholic opinion shouldn't matter.

 

[Rhamiel]

Mon

well the way I see it, is that they're both Christian (yup Catholics are Christians ), and thus are not "unequally yoked". It's not like one of them is an atheist or something!

up untill now I have only heard the term unequally yoked used with pagans or atheists, some people in this thread are using it for any major differance in belief.
I think that is why some catholics are flipping out over this a little bit

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

1st telling his mother up front
2nd explaining to this girl where exactly he stands in his faith and where his future stance is spiritually,
and what he expects spiritually in a relationship.

Knowing full well if this troubles her that it was confronted early b4 people were to get hurt.

Did you consider the fact that if these were really issues for him, he probably wouldn't have dated her in the first place?

At 20 years old, he is a prime time in life for re-evaluating his faith and being open. He may not know what his spiritual expectations and stances are.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Why? because they belong to churches, Monica until you can tell me for a fact that God is okay with two substantially different means of justification and show me this scripturally, this is up for debate.

I'm not saying that both views are true... what I'm saying is:

Must two people completely agree theologically to marry each other? My friends and family all disagree with my beliefs LOL and yet this has not hurt my relationships with them..

both Catholics and Protestants believe that justification happens by grace alone because of Christ's sacrifice...Catholics see that as a process and Protestants see it as something instantaneous. But both believe that Christians are "born again" and that faith is important...

What I find interesting in how many people here talk about how all that matters is faith in Jesus. They'll say that no one is 100% correct about anything, but all that really matters is that you put faith in Christ, go to Church, et cetera.

Then when they find out someone is dating a Catholic, it is a crisis. I can't imagine their reaction to someone actually converting. If being a Christian, believing in Jesus was all that matter, then all this talk about being 'un-equally yoked' is nonsense.

I think people's objections to the Catholic Church aren't really based on rational arguments, but taught sentiments. If everyone is a little wrong in your view, then someone disagreeing with you by a Catholic opinion shouldn't matter.

I think you have a point there... people say that "all that matters is Jesus" but still have such a big problem with Catholics, even though they believe in Jesus too. It's like..a double standard.. I don't really understand it.

there are many differences between Protestant denominations too....yet I've never heard anyone say that it's a problem if two Protestants from different churches are dating...

Mon
up untill now I have only heard the term unequally yoked used with pagans or atheists, some people in this thread are using it for any major differance in belief.
I think that is why some catholics are flipping out over this a little bit

oh I see thanks Rhamiel. yea I've always used this term regarding atheists and non Christians...

Peace

monica