Great Unconformity

[Gene2memE]

A Vedic alternative to Darwin’s theory with Michael Cremo

Nothing - not a single thing - in that video gives you any reason to believe there are civilisations older than those presently known about.

There's no actual factual claims made in that video, it's just a discussion of various Vedic scriptures and their interpretations.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Nothing - not a single thing - in that video gives you any reason to believe

Forbidden Archeology Kindle Edition

by Michael Cremo

 

[JohnEmmett]

like always… there is evidence

 

[Subduction Zone]

I expect it will happen again


we are running out of resources … hence it is necessary

Fine, but that is mere speculation. Wishing something was so is never a valid reason for belief. And please note. You believe that complex life existed before the Cambrian. That is almost certainly wrong. I gave you the example of the Ediacaran. The Geologic period that directly preceded the Cambrian. There was multicellular life, but none of it had any hard body parts such as bones or shells. The atmosphere at that time likely did not have enough molecular oxygen for anything more complex to exist. And the fact that we have examples of life that fossilizes very very rarely and none at all of life with bones or shells tells us that there almost certainly was no life with bones or shells at that time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Forbidden Archeology Kindle Edition

by Michael Cremo

Even that does not appear to support you. Did you not read it at all? Though it probably is just garbage, it is about relatively recent human life. You do know the difference between a million and a billion I hope.

 

[Subduction Zone]

like always… there is evidence

that the atheist is willing to call not evidence

You need to stop this. This is not about atheists "evidence". It is simply about evidence. Non-atheists can be scientists too. Scientists have to understand what is and what is not evidence. Evidence does not care about a person's religious beliefs. Please do not put false titles on evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Fine, but that is mere speculation.

not speculation that civilizations come and go

Atlantis (for example)

 

[JohnEmmett]

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[Subduction Zone]

not speculation that civilizations come and go

Atlantis (for example)

Atlantis appears to be mythical. Why shoot yourself in the foot that way?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Atlantis appears to be mythical.

Plato and the Hopi say it was real

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was saying you would deny the evidence

and then you did

hence it's not a false accusation

You need to stop doing this. That is a reportable act. I did not deny any evidence. You do not appear to understand the concept of evidence. You provided no reliable evidence and definitely no scientific evidence.

If you provide proper evidence I will accept it. When you mess up I will point out your errors.

 

[Gene2memE]

Forbidden Archeology Kindle Edition

by Michael Cremo

I've got a copy. It's terrible. As someone with a degree in history, and who worked in the field for a number of years, Cremo/Thompson's book wouldn't even get a passing grade for an undergraduate paper.

It's a mess of unsubstantiated assertions, misunderstanding genres, ignoring inconvenient findings, willfully mis-interpreting or outright lying about others - particularly older findings that have been reversed by later study - and just making stuff up. It's metaphysics and conspiracy theories masquerading as "science".

 

[JohnEmmett]

You provided no reliable evidence and definitely no scientific evidence.

you just denied the evidence again

 

[Subduction Zone]

Plato and the Hopi say it was real

No. Plato may have. Though you would need to support that with a reliable source. I am sure that the Hopi never did. Though you could try to find a reliable source for that.


History has peer review too. They have their own definition of "evidence" but it is not that different from scientific evidence. If a claim cannot pass peer review it makes for a very very weak claim.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I've got a copy. It's terrible.

what is your opinion of the Bible?

 

[JohnEmmett]

I am sure that the Hopi never did. Though you could try to find a reliable source for that.

the Hopi are the source
https://grahamhancock.com/hamiltons3/

 

[Subduction Zone]

you just denied the evidence again

No. You simply do not understand the concept of evidence.

Here let me help you a bit. Since we are trying to have a scientific discussion the evidence that you need is scientific evidence. Here is an article for you to read on it:

Scientific evidence - Wikipedia.

Tell me, how is any of what you have posted scientific evidence? What reasonable test could possibly show your ideas to be wrong?

 

[JohnEmmett]

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[Subduction Zone]

the Hopi are the source
https://grahamhancock.com/hamiltons3/

So a garbage source. Did that go through peer review? What do actual scholars think of it?

Wishful thinking is not evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

So a garbage source.

what source are you denigrating?

are you even aware?