Great Flood Evidence?

[Loudmouth]

Are you actually claiming if the earth was smooth...it wouldn't be covered with water?

If there were a billion dollars in my bank account I would be a billionaire. Does that mean I am a billionaire?

 

[JackRT]

The problem I have with this view is that the bible talks of Satan being in the Garden of Eden in an unfallen state.

You will not find any reference to Satan in the Genesis narrative. Not Lucifer either. What we find Genesis is only a garden variety talking serpent.

 

[RickG]

Just because we don't find a polystrate tree in the strata doesn't mean t was deposited over millions of years.

Actually "polystrate" is a term coined by creationist, it is not a geologic term. The geologic term is "In Situ. It means found in its natural position or place.

Here's some forming. Eventually they will be covered in many layers over the years. That's a lacustrine process but they can form under eolian and other depositional processes as well.

 

[lasthero]

Polystrate trees are 100% evidence....fact....that strata can form rapidly and doesn't need millions of years.

There is no arguing that point.

You're right.

No one is arguing that point.

At all.

 

[-57]

"They tell us it takes millions and milllions of years for the sediment to deposit and accumulate."--57, post 22

Can you please show us a single scientific reference where the sediments you are referring to in that post were said to be laid down over millions of years.

I would not expect to find an example....The evos know how stupid a claim that would be. They know the tree would rot.

Of course...I believe there are examples where the bottom of the tree is coal and the top is fossilized. That might be an example.
But to be honest...i don't really care. I made my point....strata deposited upon strata doesn't need millions of years to be laid down.
This is considered as +1 for the YEC's despite what you think.

 

[-57]

Actually "polystrate" is a term coined by creationist, it is not a geologic term. The geologic term is "In Situ. It means found in its natural position or place.

Here's some forming. Eventually they will be covered in many layers over the years. That's a lacustrine process but they can form under eolian and other depositional processes as well.

I would say..BS. At the rate of sedimentation....the trees will be long gone before they are covered.

I kindly ask you come up with a different example.

 

[lasthero]

I would not expect to find an example....The evos know how stupid a claim that would be. They know the tree would rot.

Of course...I believe there are examples where the bottom of the tree is coal and the top is fossilized. That might be an example.
But to be honest...i don't really care. I made my point....strata deposited upon strata doesn't need millions of years to be laid down.
This is considered as +1 for the YEC's despite what you think.

Can you quote any geologist who ever said that layers ONLY form over millions of years, without exception?

 

[lasthero]

I would say..BS. At the rate of sedimentation....the trees will be long gone before they are covered.

I'm curious to know how you determined the rate of sedimentation based on a single picture.

 

[RickG]

I would say..BS. At the rate of sedimentation....the trees will be long gone before they are covered.

I kindly ask you come up with a different example.

It can take from a few tens of years to a couple of centuries. The layers would be semiannual in a lacustrine environment.

 

[RickG]

But to be honest...i don't really care. I made my point....strata deposited upon strata doesn't need millions of years to be laid down.

It depends upon the type of deposition and the environment in which it is deposited. How long do you think deposition of limestone takes to form?

 

[malvina]

The problem I have with this view is that the bible talks of Satan being in the Garden of Eden in an unfallen state.

The Garden of Eden was in God's 2nd Created world (ours) Satan is loose on

The problem I have with this view is that the bible talks of Satan being in the Garden of Eden in an unfallen state.

In the original world satan was in command God's Highest Angel. We had the Fall God made our world from the dust of that Old earth and fallen satan was in that garden of Eden Noarh's flood didn't destroy the earth. When the waters subsided Life was under there and the dove brought back a leaf
P.S. Ancient man and dinosaurs were in the OLD original world There was a Great Flood in that Fall
Noah's Flood was in our New World it didn't destroy it as life was under that
There was TWO floods - one with the Fall
and Noah's after the New World creation.
Man was made from the dust of the old world

 

[RickG]

How could a stratum form slowly? Do you know of anything forming now or recently?

Stratum is forming on every inch of the world's surface continuously and has been ever since its formation.

There are volcanic materials deposited on occasion, but they don't form sedimentary rock.

Where did you get that idea? Ever hear of volcaniclastic sandstones. They from from both primary volcanic process and the secondary surficial processes of weathering and erosion. The most common form is from pyroclasrtic eruptions, either magmatic explosions or phreatic explosions.

 

[Loudmouth]

I would not expect to find an example....The evos know how stupid a claim that would be. They know the tree would rot.

If they don't make that claim, why do you say that they do?

I made my point....strata deposited upon strata doesn't need millions of years to be laid down.

Where did you show that all strata across the Earth do not need millions of years to be laid down? All you have done is show one example of a geologic formation that did not need millions of years.

Finding one example of a human that is 20 years old is not proof that the entirety of humanity appeared 20 years ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

If they don't make that claim, why do you say that they do?


Where did you show that all strata across the Earth do not need millions of years to be laid down? All you have done is show one example of a geologic formation that did not need millions of years.

Finding one example of a human that is 20 years old is not proof that the entirety of humanity appeared 20 years ago.

It's all about deep time, isn't it?

 

[Loudmouth]

It's all about deep time, isn't it?

No, it isn't. It is all about the evidence.

 

[-57]

It's all about deep time, isn't it?

Bottom line....rock strata doesn't prove deep time.

 

[-57]

Stratum is forming on every inch of the world's surface continuously and has been ever since its formation.

Really?

According to geologist Chimney Rock is about 28 million years oldOf course there is one problem. It is eroding.

According to the Nebrasks State Historical Society Chimnet rock is currently about 120 feet high and has lost about 30 feet in the last 150 years.

At that erosion rate one would think it would have been long gone millions of years ago. Heck, tens of thousands of years ago.

Then again maybe it’s not as old as some people claim.

 

[RickG]

Really?

According to geologist Chimney Rock is about 28 million years oldOf course there is one problem. It is eroding.

It hasn't been exposed to erosion for 28 million years.

According to the Nebrasks State Historical Society Chimnet rock is currently about 120 feet high and has lost about 30 feet in the last 150 years.

Which does not mean that it loses 30 ft every 150 years.

At that erosion rate one would think it would have been long gone millions of years ago. Heck, tens of thousands of years ago.

Erosion rates vary considerably based on type(s) of environmental exposure and chemistry.

 

[Loudmouth]

Bottom line....rock strata doesn't prove deep time.

Why not?

 

[Loudmouth]

Really?

According to geologist Chimney Rock is about 28 million years oldOf course there is one problem. It is eroding.

According to the Nebrasks State Historical Society Chimnet rock is currently about 120 feet high and has lost about 30 feet in the last 150 years.

At that erosion rate one would think it would have been long gone millions of years ago. Heck, tens of thousands of years ago.

Then again maybe it’s not as old as some people claim.
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Why would erosion rates be the same throughout time?