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K, back to topic

I haven't read the 300+ posts in this thread, so this may have been covered already, but let me try to answer the OP question about the "reality" of gravity from a scientific perspective.

The first thing to understand is that in science does not attempt to answer the philosophical question of what is real. What science does is develop theories that seem to explain observations. At one time (pre-relativity) there was a theory of the "ether", which was supposed to be the thing through which light travelled when it was otherwise in the vacuum of space. Was the "ether" real? Well, for a short time it was, because it seemed to explain the observations up until that time. But then along came relativity and the reality of "ether" disappeared because it no longer explained the newer, more refined observations. We could also consider the reality of the electron. Are they real? Well, we can't see them. We only observe the effects they have. But observations at that scale are sometimes difficult to interpret. As a sidebar, it is interesting to see how the structure of the double helix DNA molecule was deduced, not from direct imaging (because that was not possible in those days) but by the X-ray diffraction patterns produced. The Diffraction patterns looked nothing like the double-helix itself, but it was the kind of pattern that a double-helix would produce. I don't have a citation to look up, but if anyone is interested, it is worth looking up how it was first discovered.

Getting back to gravity, all that science says is that a force described by the equations of universal attraction do correctly predict the motion of objects. Whether the force is a real thing, or just a consequence of how matter works is not currently known. Maybe some day an experiment will be devices that shows that gravity is more correctly modeled some other way than a force field that emanates from all matter. That may further change our model of what gravity is. But that's all it means from a scientific perspective. A model is something that works. Whether it is real, or just a simulation on the holodeck or the matrix we may never know.
 
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are we meant to know?
Answering that question is not any easier than answering the question of whether gravity is real. So far I have seen no divine message telling me that I must never inquire into the reality of gravity. So it is an open question.
 
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So far I have seen no divine message telling me that I must never inquire into the reality of gravity.

the Hopi have the idea… there are secrets of the Creator


that mankind is not supposed to know


however, we tried to know… in the past
 
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"Are we meant to know?"

The perfect question that sums up the limitations of a worldview of revealed knowledge.

Knowledge, in this view, isn't acquired, discovered or found. It is given, revealed. Always... or at least in anything that "really matters".

So knowledge that exists - or even more: any claim of knowlegde - is unquestionably true, because it has been "revealed", and the people it had been revealed to don't even have the option of being wrong... or deceitful. It must be true.

And on the other hand, knowledge that doesn't exist - or, as above, knowledge that is claimed to not exist - is not revealed yet. And it may never be, because we might not be "meant" to have it.

In that worldview, any claim can be accepted or dismissed, just as you like it... because "revelation" is your ultimate authority... which is convenently not around to be questioned on their source for that knowledge.
 
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they knew about Atlantis…


because their ancestors lived that history
I know about the Teutoburg Forest. Because my ancestors lived that history. I understand gravity perfectly. Respect my wisdom!
 
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they knew about Atlantis…


because their ancestors lived that history

The Hopi lived in the Americas and Atlantis is a Greek myth. There is no contact between those cultures. The Hopi can not possibly have evidence of Atlantis, which has never been found.
 
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The Hopi lived in the Americas and Atlantis is a Greek myth.

"Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon"

- Plato
 
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"Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon"

- Plato

Neither Plato, Solon, or Socrates knew of the Hopi, nor vice versa.
 
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