grafted in...

[Frogster]

Where does Paul say he doesn't want to keep the Sabbath command in Galatia?

Where does Scripture indicate that James FORCED Paul to go to the Temple and sacrifice etc? If this is so then what of James???

Scriptures please?

In Him- Rain

Here ya go, I do hope the challenge level increases on this thread. All of the most respected scholars know this to be the jewish calendar. Lets stop wasting time asking for citations, that most who study, know are there. Do we have to keep posting all the verses, that we know are there?

4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!

ok...here is the james verse.

Acts 21:19 After greeting them, he related one by one the things that God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, 21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs. 22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;

 

[from scratch]

What about 1 Cor 16?

Wow, so Mary kept the 7th day Sabbath out of habit and tradition, she was enslaved to those things AFTER Jesus died?

It is OK if you mock me. Of course she obeyed the law as her custom was. You are demanding immediate change, like flpipping a light switch. Soyes she was enslavedboth by the law and custom or habit, it was automatic.

You did not address I Cor 16 with your response. Mary was never near Corinth and Corinthians was written around 55 AD. that means Mary was somewhere around 70 which is well up in years if still alive.

 

[from scratch]

Sorry, can you reword or explain what you think more clearly?

Thanks
In Him- Rain

Certianly.

Jesus said the prophecies He spoke about concerning Him were fulfilled. Jesus was talking about the prophecies He talked about. I think that would not include the end times discourse found in Mat 24. Jesus furthermore said It is finished in John 19:30.

 

[from scratch]

I'm not following?

God's Salavation is available to anyone who recieves Him, always has been.

Abraham upon his salvation was a Uncircumsised Gentile, I realize many want to continue down the Christian vs. Jew road or vice versa but I don't agree.

If you are in HIM then you are saved regardless of your circumsision.

Circumsision is a sign of a Covenant NOT a means to acquire SALVATION.

In Him- Rain

Romans 1:16 and 2:10.

 

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Frogster, From Scratch since you are on the same page with this:

There is a lot here to cover.

You are right the OT never speaks of "Jesus" because Jesus is not the name Messiah was given or lived with during His life.

However, Yeshua is "Jesus'" Aramaic/Hebrew name, Yeshua is the only name "Jesus" ever heard during His lifetime.

Jesus' parents did not name their baby an English/Greek name when they both spoke Hebrew, that doesn't make sense.

Looking at the original language and having established that Yeshua is the actual name Mary gave to her son.

Matthew 1:21 (New King James Version)

21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS (HEBREW YESHUA), for He will save His people from their sins.”




Let's see if the OT speaks of Yeshua, or of Yeshua as being Yahweh.

*The hebrew word Yeshua is translated "Salavation" in our English Bibles.


Isaiah 12:2



2 Behold, God is my salvation (yĕshuw`ah, aka Yeshua),
I will trust and not be afraid;

‘ For YAH, the LORD (Hebrew Yahh, aka Yahweh), is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation (yĕshuw`ah, aka Yeshua).’”

Isaiah 62:11 (New King James Version)

11 Indeed the LORD (Hebrew Yahh, aka Yahweh) has proclaimed
To the end of the world:
“ Say to the daughter of Zion,
‘ Surely your salvation (yĕshuw`ah, aka Yeshua) is coming;
Behold, His reward is with Him,
And His work before Him.’”



But let us not stop at the Old Testament (there are more examples there too) but let's go on to the NT and see if Jesus/Yeshua is Lord/Yahweh.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him...14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.


This is saying that Jesus (aka The Word) is God and all things were made through The Word (Jesus) .


Colossians 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

John 10:30 (New King James Version)

30 I and My Father are one.”


Furthermore, if one does not believe that Jesus and God are the same being they no longer believe in Yahweh, who is the ONLY GOD (period).

Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!"

Mark 12:29
Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.


I don't understand honestly how any further Scriptures can be debated by you or I, if we can't agree that the LORD IS ONE?????

So perhaps let me know if you do in fact believe the Lord is ONE and I will continue the disscussion with you but if you believe Jesus is a NEW GOD different or seperate from Yahweh then we have truely no common ground to work from. Yahweh does not allow for multiple GODS.

In Him- Rain

Greek was the language of the day. Rome ruled Israel, not the Jews. The NT is written in Greek not Hebrew. So you have no leg to stand on. Do not forget that it was a Jew that wrote Matthew. I would assume that He knew what He was saying. Do you wish to say that author of Matthew is not inspired by God to so state?

 

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Frogster, From Scratch since you are on the same page with this:

There is a lot here to cover.

You are right the OT never speaks of "Jesus" because Jesus is not the name Messiah was given or lived with during His life.

However, Yeshua is "Jesus'" Aramaic/Hebrew name, Yeshua is the only name "Jesus" ever heard during His lifetime.

Jesus' parents did not name their baby an English/Greek name when they both spoke Hebrew, that doesn't make sense.

Looking at the original language and having established that Yeshua is the actual name Mary gave to her son.

Matthew 1:21 (New King James Version)

21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS (HEBREW YESHUA), for He will save His people from their sins.”




Let's see if the OT speaks of Yeshua, or of Yeshua as being Yahweh.

*The hebrew word Yeshua is translated "Salavation" in our English Bibles.


Isaiah 12:2



2 Behold, God is my salvation (yĕshuw`ah, aka Yeshua),
I will trust and not be afraid;

‘ For YAH, the LORD (Hebrew Yahh, aka Yahweh), is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation (yĕshuw`ah, aka Yeshua).’”

Isaiah 62:11 (New King James Version)

11 Indeed the LORD (Hebrew Yahh, aka Yahweh) has proclaimed
To the end of the world:
“ Say to the daughter of Zion,
‘ Surely your salvation (yĕshuw`ah, aka Yeshua) is coming;
Behold, His reward is with Him,
And His work before Him.’”



But let us not stop at the Old Testament (there are more examples there too) but let's go on to the NT and see if Jesus/Yeshua is Lord/Yahweh.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him...14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.


This is saying that Jesus (aka The Word) is God and all things were made through The Word (Jesus) .


Colossians 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

John 10:30 (New King James Version)

30 I and My Father are one.”


Furthermore, if one does not believe that Jesus and God are the same being they no longer believe in Yahweh, who is the ONLY GOD (period).

Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!"

Mark 12:29
Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.


I don't understand honestly how any further Scriptures can be debated by you or I, if we can't agree that the LORD IS ONE?????

So perhaps let me know if you do in fact believe the Lord is ONE and I will continue the disscussion with you but if you believe Jesus is a NEW GOD different or seperate from Yahweh then we have truely no common ground to work from. Yahweh does not allow for multiple GODS.

In Him- Rain

The OT does speak of Jesus as early as Gen 1:26 ...let Us... and what about 3:15 as the Seed. Unmistakably as God in 1:26 and identified as Jesus by Paul in Gal 3:19. In theology Gen 3:15 is recognized though out Christianity as Jesus.

 

[Frogster]

It is OK if you mock me. Of course she obeyed the law as her custom was. You are demanding immediate change, like flpipping a light switch. Soyes she was enslavedboth by the law and custom or habit, it was automatic.

You did not address I Cor 16 with your response. Mary was never near Corinth and Corinthians was written around 55 AD. that means Mary was somewhere around 70 which is well up in years if still alive.

Good point, it was a transitional time, look how the believers in jerusalem church, pushed Moses in Acts 15:5, to which we see they were wrong, but nonetheless, it shows transition.

 

[Rainie]

Ok rainie, from here on in, let me raise the bar please. Bugkiller, myself, and others, SS and scratch, really know the scriptures, even unto a good amount of memorizing. So when I clearly show, that Paul made a clear comparison of the pagans, to his life in judaism in Gal 4, and you reply with this, it not only wastes time, but it is an insult to our biblical knowledge. Thanks very very much, frog.

So you have no actual answer.

Good to note.
In Him-Rain

 

[Rainie]

Riaaaaaghtcher..

24 Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one.

Could you restate the question or statement with the scriptures referenced?

In Him-Rain

 

[Rainie]

It is OK if you mock me. Of course she obeyed the law as her custom was. You are demanding immediate change, like flpipping a light switch. Soyes she was enslavedboth by the law and custom or habit, it was automatic.

You did not address I Cor 16 with your response. Mary was never near Corinth and Corinthians was written around 55 AD. that means Mary was somewhere around 70 which is well up in years if still alive.

I was not meaning to mock, I was simply clarifying.
So what of 1 Cor 16?

In Him- Rain

 

[Rainie]

Certianly.

Jesus said the prophecies He spoke about concerning Him were fulfilled. Jesus was talking about the prophecies He talked about. I think that would not include the end times discourse found in Mat 24. Jesus furthermore said It is finished in John 19:30.

Jesus spoke this prophecy:

Matt 24 (SECOND COMING)

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

So when Jesus said "it is finished" He was including end times?

?????

In Him- Rain

 

[Rainie]

Romans 1:16 and 2:10.

Are those supposed to support Jews vs. Gentiles theologies?

 

[Rainie]

Greek was the language of the day. Rome ruled Israel, not the Jews. The NT is written in Greek not Hebrew. So you have no leg to stand on. Do not forget that it was a Jew that wrote Matthew. I would assume that He knew what He was saying. Do you wish to say that author of Matthew is not inspired by God to so state?

So, you believe "Jesus" an English translation of the Greek word Ieous is the ACTUAL birth name of our Hebrew Messiah, Yeshua???

WOW!

On this you are wrong.


Even "Wikipedia" knows the basic fact that "Jesus" is not Messiah's birthname but rather a translation... Hence the reason no one kind find the word "Jesus" in the OT.

"Jesus" (pronounced /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a transliteration, occurring in a number of languages and based on the Latin Iesus, of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsoûs), itself a Hellenisation of the Hebrew יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (Yĕhōšuă‘, Joshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic יֵשׁוּעַ (Yēšûă‘), meaning "Yahweh delivers (or rescues)".[26][27][28] "Christ" (pronounced /ˈkraɪst/) is a title derived from the Greek Χριστός (Christós), meaning the "Anointed One", a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Messiah).[29][30]:274-275

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus


Jesus was a Jew, cirumsised the eighth day, His parents were Jewish they were all practicing Jews etc.

Why would a young Hebrew observant Jewish girl, name her son an English name???

Luke 2:39-52 (New King James Version)


39 So when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth. 40 And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. 43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother did not know it; 44 but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances. 45 So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. 46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. 48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”
49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” 50 But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them.
51 Then He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them, but His mother kept all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.


Jesus spoke various languages, Greek, Hebrew etc. but I think it's a fair conclusion to make that His birth name was in fact "Yeshua" meaning "Salvation." If directly translated to English His name would be closer too... "Joshua."

Jesus is the English translation of the Greek word Ieous.

I noticed you skipped entirely the MAJOR question I asked of you however in post 218... VERY Interesting. Perhaps you could go back and address that question?

In Him- Rain

 

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Jesus spoke this prophecy:

Matt 24 (SECOND COMING)

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

So when Jesus said "it is finished" He was including end times?

Nope! and neither was His statement in Mat 5:17, 18 as I have shown with LK 24:44.

 

[from scratch]

Are those supposed to support Jews vs. Gentiles theologies?

I don't quite know what you mean. I take them as historical statements supporting why Paul was in the synagogue so often. BTW Paul's Jewish traveling companions did not attend the synagogue with Paul in Ephesus Acts 18:18, 19. Why is this recorded? it must be important.

 

[Frogster]

Could you restate the question or statement with the scriptures referenced?

In Him-Rain

You remember, it is right here on the thread, please follow along.

Why ask for that, but not Acts 15:10?

 

[Frogster]

Isin't it amazing how Peter said the law was a yoke for the fathers, and wow...him too! Look at the wordage unable to bear..

10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Thank God they were able to make a comparison from the old system of Judaism, to being in Abraham.

Clear history, bondage.

 

[Frogster]

So, you believe "Jesus" an English translation of the Greek word Ieous is the ACTUAL birth name of our Hebrew Messiah, Yeshua???

WOW!

On this you are wrong.


Even "Wikipedia" knows the basic fact that "Jesus" is not Messiah's birthname but rather a translation... Hence the reason no one kind find the word "Jesus" in the OT.

"Jesus" (pronounced /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a transliteration, occurring in a number of languages and based on the Latin Iesus, of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsoûs), itself a Hellenisation of the Hebrew יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (Yĕhōšuă‘, Joshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic יֵשׁוּעַ (Yēšûă‘), meaning "Yahweh delivers (or rescues)".[26][27][28] "Christ" (pronounced /ˈkraɪst/) is a title derived from the Greek Χριστός (Christós), meaning the "Anointed One", a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Messiah).[29][30]:274-275

Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jesus was a Jew, cirumsised the eighth day, His parents were Jewish they were all practicing Jews etc.

Why would a young Hebrew observant Jewish girl, name her son an English name???

Luke 2:39-52 (New King James Version)


39 So when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth. 40 And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. 43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother did not know it; 44 but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances. 45 So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. 46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. 48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”
49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” 50 But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them.
51 Then He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them, but His mother kept all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.


Jesus spoke various languages, Greek, Hebrew etc. but I think it's a fair conclusion to make that His birth name was in fact "Yeshua" meaning "Salvation." If directly translated to English His name would be closer too... "Joshua."

Jesus is the English translation of the Greek word Ieous.

I noticed you skipped entirely the MAJOR question I asked of you however in post 218... VERY Interesting. Perhaps you could go back and address that question?

In Him- Rain

Would you agree that culture can add emphasis or affect our view of a word?

Why is it that just MJ"s say yeshua, yet they just speak regular english the rest of the day?

In other words, you do see how an under meaning, or ones group can posess a word, as their own, whereby creating a "cliqueish" possession of said word?

It would be like if just sometimes, I said your name in french...

In other words, if you were with people of different nationalities and races, talking english all day long, maybe at a dinner. Would you only say their names in their native language?

 

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So, you believe "Jesus" an English translation of the Greek word Ieous is the ACTUAL birth name of our Hebrew Messiah, Yeshua???

WOW!

So you don't like the Greek NT. So sorry it wasn't written in Hebrew, so you have nothing to stand on.

On this you are wrong.

How so?

Even "Wikipedia" knows the basic fact that "Jesus" is not Messiah's birthname but rather a translation... Hence the reason no one kind find the word "Jesus" in the OT.

"Jesus" (pronounced /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a transliteration, occurring in a number of languages and based on the Latin Iesus, of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsoûs), itself a Hellenisation of the Hebrew יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (Yĕhōšuă‘, Joshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic יֵשׁוּעַ (Yēšûă‘), meaning "Yahweh delivers (or rescues)".[26][27][28] "Christ" (pronounced /ˈkraɪst/) is a title derived from the Greek Χριστός (Christós), meaning the "Anointed One", a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Messiah).[29][30]:274-275

Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jesus was a Jew, cirumsised the eighth day, His parents were Jewish they were all practicing Jews etc.

Why would a young Hebrew observant Jewish girl, name her son an English name???

Say what you like but John was a disciple of Jesus and called Him by the name in his writings. So take the issue up with him, not me. Just as wilipedia talks about transliteration among the Greek and Latin as well as other names and languages Jesus is a transliteration and we pronounce it wrongly because of these letter pronunciations of English. And so what everybody including you know exactly Who we are talking about. Communication is what matters.

Luke 2:39-52 (New King James Version)


39 So when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth. 40 And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. 43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother did not know it; 44 but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances. 45 So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. 46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. 48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”
49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” 50 But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them.
51 Then He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them, but His mother kept all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.


Jesus spoke various languages, Greek, Hebrew etc. but I think it's a fair conclusion to make that His birth name was in fact "Yeshua" meaning "Salvation." If directly translated to English His name would be closer too... "Joshua."

Yes Yeshua (Joshua) was a very common name because the Messiah was indeed referred to as Yeshua in the OT. Why Joshua carried over and this man we call Jesus was not commonly referred to as Joshua I don't know. But I do know that John, a disciple of Jesus called Him by the name Jesus or Ieous.

Jesus is the English translation of the Greek word Ieous.

So why don't you refer to Jesus as Ieous? John did!

I noticed you skipped entirely the MAJOR question I asked of you however in post 218... VERY Interesting. Perhaps you could go back and address that question?

In Him- Rain

Oh you mean I missed one, ah well. I'll go back and look. What was your question BTW?

Well I looked and don't understand what you are talking about.

 

[from scratch]

Would you agree that culture can add emphasis or affect our view of a word?

Why is it that just MJ"s say yeshua, yet they just speak regular english the rest of the day?

In other words, you do see how an under meaning, or ones group can posess a word, as their own, whereby creating a "cliqueish" possession of said word?

It would be like if just sometimes, I said your name in french...

In other words, if you were with people of different nationalities and races, talking english all day long, maybe at a dinner. Would you only say their names in their native language?

Great points there Frogster! Spinning yer numbers.