GQ’s New Masculinity

[iluvatar5150]

The concept of masculinity may have been challenged throughout history, but I don't think it was anywhere near the extent we're witnessing nowadays. I imagine men still acted like men, despite their outward appearance. However, there is now a global movement to completely redefine masculinity, and vilify traditional values / concepts. That's what concerns me.

You can imagine a lot of things, but that wouldn't make you correct. A couple centuries ago, the western aristocracy considered it embarrassing to even have to work for a living - that hardly comports with our modern perception of masculinity. And several cultures have long histories of accommodating what we would today call transsexuals.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I disagree with your assessment of the smoldering yellow ensemble. That thing seems like the most practical garment ever! You wouldn’t need anything else. Not even a bed! You could just live in that outfit and sleep wherever you feel like. Just, like, lay yourself down somewhere. You could even keep all your stuff inside of it. With the way housing costs are going, it might well be the way of the future.

ROFLOL. You are cracking me up over here!

 

[iluvatar5150]

It's nasty. This trend towards feminine men is enough to make any real man want to run screaming back into the woods and kill something. If this is the next generation were all doomed.

Yeah, we survived millenia of raping, pillaging, enslaving, and warmongering, but dressing like a dandy - that's what's gonna do us in.

 

[renniks]

Yeah, we survived millenia of raping, pillaging, enslaving, and warmongering, but dressing like a dandy - that's what's gonna do us in.

There's a big difference between dressing like a dandy, and acting like a woman. Maybe it's something in the processed food I'm not sure... Sure seeing a lot of feminine dudes these days.

 

[iluvatar5150]

There's a big difference between dressing like a dandy, and acting like a woman. Maybe it's something in the processed food I'm not sure... Sure seeing a lot of feminine dudes these days.

What exactly is "acting like a woman"?

And how does that tie into the article in the OP?

 

[bekkilyn]

There's a big difference between dressing like a dandy, and acting like a woman. Maybe it's something in the processed food I'm not sure... Sure seeing a lot of feminine dudes these days.

I'm not sure what you mean by "acting like a woman". Just what do women act like anyway because I can guarantee you that I don't dress up in fake goose down sleeping bags any more than men do. (Though I do note the possible practicality of it under certain circumstances as mentioned above.)

 

[Rigatoni]

You can imagine a lot of things, but that wouldn't make you correct. A couple centuries ago, the western aristocracy considered it embarrassing to even have to work for a living - that hardly comports with our modern perception of masculinity. And several cultures have long histories of accommodating what we would today call transsexuals.

You seem offended by my opinion. Do opposing opinions ruffle your feathers?

Edit: Also, was that taking place in an organized, global movement, that at the same time vilified traditional norms?

 

[bekkilyn]

You seem offended by my opinion. Do opposing opinions ruffle your feathers?

Don't be too worried, I'm sure those aren't REAL feathers in that sleeping bag.

 

[durangodawood]

I disagree with your assessment of the smoldering yellow ensemble. That thing seems like the most practical garment ever! You wouldn’t need anything else. Not even a bed! You could just live in that outfit and sleep wherever you feel like. Just, like, lay yourself down somewhere. You could even keep all your stuff inside of it. With the way housing costs are going, it might well be the way of the future.

Yeah youre probably right.

Its way too practical. So it will probably be forgotten in favor of some outrageous trendy unwearable ensemble.

 

[bèlla]

Equating "masculine" with being an emotionally stunted tough guy who dresses like a lumberjack is a fairly recent, mostly-western development. Even as recently as a century ago, men used to dress much more like dandies, particularly among the wealthier castes.

Dandy fashion is wonderful. I have no problem admitting my preference.

But evolving into effeminacy is another matter. I would never neuter a man

Now let's appreciate Pharrell in leather Ferragamo pajamas and a million dollar watch

That’s a stately look for loungewear. But cashmere is much cozier.

~Bella

 

[renniks]

What exactly is "acting like a woman"?

And how does that tie into the article in the OP?

If you don't know you are probably one of em.

 

[bèlla]

I've heard that what happens in the spiritual often manifests in the natural, and I think that's exactly what we're seeing. Without God, everything becomes subjective, and it leads to chaos. It's like suddenly removing the structural system of a building leaving only the facade; it's destined to collapse sooner or later.

This is one crazy avalanche!

I understand the argument for self-expression. But flipping my gender and calling myself Beau is crossing the line.

~Bella

 

[bèlla]

He stole my look!!!

Oh no! Go big and make it purple. Add a crown and scepter and own your look.

 

[bèlla]

I wouldn't define it that way - more like the absence of acceptance of each person's individuality and attempts to fit a person into a box they don't feel comfortable in. IOW....it's an attack on a person's spirit to try to mold them into something they know - in their spirit - they aren't.

That would depend on who’s standard you’re following. I don’t have the liberty of doing as I wish and serve the Lord. Being conformed to Him is the goal.

~Bella

 

[bèlla]

To tell from what you posted, it seems to be about clothes and stuff, not about anything that might define masculinity.

Click on the article link. He gets into the subject more in depth.

 

[bèlla]

I suspect men are more likely to be gender fluid than women. Isn't that what we see in the trans community? More trans-women compared to trans-men?

I can’t say that’s true. Male expression is varied but many have little interest in becoming women or behaving like them either.

I knew a trans man when I was younger. They were more prevalent than women. The latter could be butch lesbians instead. And even in homosexual relationships there is a masculine and feminine energy. That’s more commonplace than both behaving the same.

~Bella

 

[mkgal1]

That would depend on who’s standard you’re following. I don’t have the liberty of doing as I wish and serve the Lord. Being conformed to Him is the goal.

~Bella

I don't believe that has to do with our personalities (or gender stereotypes).

I agree with you that being conformed to Him is the goal - but there aren't two distinct patterns (one for males and another for females) to achieve that. From what I read in the Bible - that has to do with "living in the Spirit" and that, spelled out by St. Paul, is this (and it's gender-neutral):

Galatians 5:22-23 ~ But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.​

 

[durangodawood]

Is anyone besides me offended by the GQ "New Masculinity" font?

 

[bèlla]

What do I think? I think this all has happened before in the greek and Roman empires right before they collapsed from within.

Thank you for sharing the video. Someone posted a similar one for pedophiles.

~Bella

 

[bèlla]

Mainly I say - "to each his own". (Or perhaps "to each their own".... which I admit will take some adjusting to.)

As long as you’re not expected to follow suit?

I do think the extremes, like that amazing yellow quilted combo tent/sleeping-bag number, are a fad.

The golden big bird get up is horrid. Your version is fab!

But I also think that the overall cultural middle is angling slightly away from gender all-importance, which is good.

Why?

~Bella