GOP: We know Joe Biden is corrupt even if there is no evidence of it!

[Pommer]

MSCBC: GOP reconsiders whether anti-Biden evidence actually matters​

It’s been well over a month , are you planning on fixing the “MSCBC” typo?

 

[NxNW]

It’s been well over a month , are you planning on fixing the “MSCBC” typo?

Oops, well, at this point it's pretty well embedded in the thread.

 

[BPPLEE]

I see. You posted a falsehood about me. Perhaps you should refrain from doing that.

Another post where you accused me of things I didn’t say

Joe Biden was a private citizen at the time he is accused of bribes who did' according to you, and laundered money. There is no evidence for this, of course, so how are you so sure as to accuse the President of the United States of crimes without any evidence?

 

[BPPLEE]

I see. You posted a falsehood about me. Perhaps you should refrain from doing that.

What was that exactly?

 

[BPPLEE]

Exactly. The republicans admit they have no evidence against Biden. They can't win with no evidence.

They have circumstantial evidence. They are investigating to see if there is direct evidence.

 

[BPPLEE]

Regardless if you are correct or not , here it is a no-win situation... as on other threads too...

I know what you mean but I’m not trying to win anything. They wouldn’t concede anyway

 

[USincognito]

Why hasn't Joe produced documentation showing the order from Obama?

Why would he need to. The evidence is clear that the U.S. was pursuing a policy of cleaning up Ukrainian corruption if we were going to continue to invest there. That policy goal was shared by the EU, IMF and NATO as was documented extensively in the Shokin thread. Heck, all one has to do is actually watch the entire panel discussion (or at least the germane parts about Ukraine) instead of 10 seconds of out of context video, it's clear to any clear thinking person that he was talking about American policy towards Ukraine and specifically cleaning up corruption.

Foreign Affairs Issue Launch with Former Vice President Joe Biden

Coauthors Joe Biden and Michael Carpenter discuss the article, “How to Stand Up to the Kremlin: Defending Democracy Against Its Enemies,” which appears in the January/February issue of Foreign Affair…

www.cfr.org

>> And that is I’m desperately concerned about the backsliding on the part of Kiev in terms of corruption. They made—I mean, I’ll give you one concrete example. I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. <<

The House has asked why the change in policy and asked for records.

The House can pound sand. Sec. Nuland was operating as a diplomat sending a nice letter. She wasn't setting policy. This is from Mar 2016.

Nuland: Oligarchs Threaten Ukraine Reforms

Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary of state for European аnd Eurasian Affairs, has warned that, if efforts to liberalize the economy and fight endemic graft fail, Ukraine "risks sliding backwards once again into corruption, into lawlessness, into vassal statehood."

www.rferl.org

>> In addition, Western officials pushed for months for the resignation of Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin, who was accused of being incapable of reforming his office, seen as one of the country's most corrupt.

Shokin stepped down in February on the same day that Ukraine's parliament narrowly defeated a no-confidence vote in Yatsenyuk's government.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned that the latest installment of its $40 billion aid program, which has been instrumental in stabilizing Ukraine's anemic economy, could be held up unless changes are made.

"Every week that Ukraine drifts internally, that reform is stalled, IMF and international support goes undisbursed, and those in and outside the country who preferred the old Ukraine grow more confident," Nuland said on March 15.

"We need to see the next stage in 'de-oligarching' the economy," she added <<

This is also from March 2016.

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance (Published 2016)

Mr. Shokin had been criticized for turning a blind eye to corruption, but political observers said he played an important role in balancing competing interests.

www.nytimes.com

>> Bowing to pressure from international donors, the Ukrainian Parliament voted on Tuesday to remove a prosecutor general who had clung to power for months despite visible signs of corruption.

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”

Most importantly, there's the letter signed by three Republican Senators who called for precisely the reforms and changes in Ukraine that Vice President Biden was pushing for.

https://www.axios.com/2019/10/03/republicans-ukraine-reform-prosecutors-office-biden

>> We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's Office and judiciary," the letter reads. "The unanimous adoption by the Cabinet of Ministers of the Basic Principles and Action Plan is a good step." <<

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

>> “By late fall of 2015, the EU and the United States joined the chorus of those seeking Mr. Shokin’s removal as the start of an overall reform of the Procurator General’s Office,” he added. “US Vice President Joe Biden spoke publicly about this before and during his December visit to Kyiv; but Mr. Shokin remained in place.”

Added Herbst, “Vice President Biden has been a great advocate for reform in Ukraine.” <<

As to your explanation about the pseudonyms being created to protect Joe's schedule, why in the world is Joe claiming executive privilege pertaining to his schedule of ten years ago?

When did he do that?

Taking into account that Joe lied on many occasions about never having discussed Hunter business with Hunter, and the White House changed the story to Joe was never involved in Hunter's business,

Archers testimony said not no such discussions ever happened. Which y'all are only shrieking about because you parse every little word and phrase and have been told to be very, very angry about it.

do you understand why people are skeptical?

Some people are skeptical. Many of them are low information folks we accept what the "both sides" media tells them. I have yet to encounter one of Donald's ardent believers who is not 100% all in on Joe Biden receiving millions from Hunter's businesses, despite a complete lack of evidence. There is no skepticism being employed by those people.

 

[Pommer]

Why would he need to. The evidence is clear that the U.S. was pursuing a policy of cleaning up Ukrainian corruption if we were going to continue to invest there. That policy goal was shared by the EU, IMF and NATO as was documented extensively in the Shokin thread. Heck, all one has to do is actually watch the entire panel discussion (or at least the germane parts about Ukraine) instead of 10 seconds of out of context video, it's clear to any clear thinking person that he was talking about American policy towards Ukraine and specifically cleaning up corruption.

Foreign Affairs Issue Launch with Former Vice President Joe Biden

Coauthors Joe Biden and Michael Carpenter discuss the article, “How to Stand Up to the Kremlin: Defending Democracy Against Its Enemies,” which appears in the January/February issue of Foreign Affair…

www.cfr.org

>> And that is I’m desperately concerned about the backsliding on the part of Kiev in terms of corruption. They made—I mean, I’ll give you one concrete example. I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. <<

The House can pound sand. Sec. Nuland was operating as a diplomat sending a nice letter. She wasn't setting policy. This is from Mar 2016.

Nuland: Oligarchs Threaten Ukraine Reforms

Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary of state for European аnd Eurasian Affairs, has warned that, if efforts to liberalize the economy and fight endemic graft fail, Ukraine "risks sliding backwards once again into corruption, into lawlessness, into vassal statehood."

www.rferl.org

>> In addition, Western officials pushed for months for the resignation of Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin, who was accused of being incapable of reforming his office, seen as one of the country's most corrupt.

Shokin stepped down in February on the same day that Ukraine's parliament narrowly defeated a no-confidence vote in Yatsenyuk's government.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned that the latest installment of its $40 billion aid program, which has been instrumental in stabilizing Ukraine's anemic economy, could be held up unless changes are made.

"Every week that Ukraine drifts internally, that reform is stalled, IMF and international support goes undisbursed, and those in and outside the country who preferred the old Ukraine grow more confident," Nuland said on March 15.

"We need to see the next stage in 'de-oligarching' the economy," she added <<

This is also from March 2016.

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance (Published 2016)

Mr. Shokin had been criticized for turning a blind eye to corruption, but political observers said he played an important role in balancing competing interests.

www.nytimes.com

>> Bowing to pressure from international donors, the Ukrainian Parliament voted on Tuesday to remove a prosecutor general who had clung to power for months despite visible signs of corruption.

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”

When did he do that?

Archers testimony said not no such discussions ever happened. Which y'all are only shrieking about because you parse every little word and phrase and have been told to be very, very angry about it.

Some people are skeptical. Many of them are low information folks we accept what the "both sides" media tells them. I have yet to encounter one of Donald's ardent believers who is not 100% all in on Joe Biden receiving millions from Hunter's businesses, despite a complete lack of evidence. There is no skepticism being employed by those people.

Nobody was paying attention to the Obama administration or anything that they did in 2015-2016!

 

[Hans Blaster]

Exactly. The republicans admit they have no evidence against Biden. They can't win with no evidence.

Coomer is clearly trying to reprogram the simulator.

 

[USincognito]

I’m not a Trump supporter.

Great. Then you aren't part of the group to whom I was referring.

I’m not in denial like Biden supporters are

Uh huh.

Yeah. Like the laptop story, right?

You mean the hard drive with a bunch of data and emails hacked from Hunter's iCloud account with a bunch of extra garbage and photoshopped images? The one that Rudy decided to save until Sept. 2020 (October Surprise!) after having had a copy almost two years? The one that bears all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation?
No.
I mean Sputnik is literally Russian propaganda.

My Life at a Russian Propaganda Network

I thought they’d let me be a real journalist at Sputnik news. I was wrong.

www.politico.com

 

[USincognito]

Yeah. It looks like they published some true things about the DOJ
Here is the story from a right wing propaganda site but the information is true

IRS Whistleblower: Weiss Allowed Statute Of Limitations To Expire

Shapley said the U.S. Attorney for Delaware, David Weiss, waited out the statute of limitations related to 2014-2015 financial crimes.

thefederalist.com

Oops.

FBI agent disputed key parts of IRS whistleblower claims about Hunter Biden investigation

The agent rebutted claims that the Justice Department gave preferential treatment to President Joe Biden’s son, according to a transcript of an interview obtained by NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

and here is another take

Surgical charges against Hunter Biden suggest a willful blindness at DOJ

Is DOJ trying to tiptoe around any possible charges that might touch Joe Biden himself?

thehill.com

Turley is less a propagandist than a hack who is totally in the tank for Donald and the conservative crusade to personally destroy Hunter Biden for no reason other than his father dared to defeat Donald in 2020.

 

[BPPLEE]

Great. Then you aren't part of the group to whom I was referring.

Uh huh.

You mean the hard drive with a bunch of data and emails hacked from Hunter's iCloud account with a bunch of extra garbage and photoshopped images? The one that Rudy decided to save until Sept. 2020 (October Surprise!) after having had a copy almost two years? The one that bears all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation?
No.
I mean Sputnik is literally Russian propaganda.

My Life at a Russian Propaganda Network

I thought they’d let me be a real journalist at Sputnik news. I was wrong.

www.politico.com

Yes they are and they posted some accurate information about the DOJ.. Check back and you’ll see I posted other sources

 

[USincognito]

Did Obama fail to use spicy brown ground mustard? All others are abominations.

From way back when when GOP outrage was at least vaguely based on something which actually happened.

The big controversy at this point in Obama's presidency was over Dijon mustard

The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week

theweek.com

He only desired Dijon mustard because, being the messy eater he is, if he got mustard on his tan suit, it wouldn’t show up!

Careful now guys. Apparently the worst scandal during Donald's administration was him getting two scoops of ice cream apparently the press couldn't stop talking about it for years.

Oh wait, that was his ardent believers.

I finally went back to see what the bruhaha was and it's worse than I was expecting. The dinner party was served chocolate cream pie with vanilla ice cream which is simply an abomination. Chocolate cream pie should be served with whipping cream or desert topping.

 

[Valletta]

Nothing to do with the media, really. The republicans who are 'investigating' Biden claim to have no evidence, but somehow you do. Where is the evidence? You should not give it to us....you should give it to them because they are looking for it. This is even more blatantly corrupt and partisan than Benghazi was.

I'm not big on the Democrats or Republicans, but certainly there is evidence of bribery. Anyone who says there is no evidence of bribery is incorrect. They may not be familiar with the facts, or they may not know what constitutes evidence.

 

[JustOneWay]

I'm not big on the Democrats or Republicans, but certainly there is evidence of bribery. Anyone who says there is no evidence of bribery is incorrect. They may not be familiar with the facts, or they may not know what constitutes evidence.

Then the House republicans are incorrect, according to you, because it is them who say there is no evidence. They are familiar with the facts but the issue is the facts do no prove Biden corruption.

 

[Pommer]

Careful now guys. Apparently the worst scandal during Donald's administration was him getting two scoops of ice cream apparently the press couldn't stop talking about it for years.

Oh wait, that was his ardent believers.

I finally went back to see what the bruhaha was and it's worse than I was expecting. The dinner party was served chocolate cream pie with vanilla ice cream which is simply an abomination. Chocolate cream pie should be served with whipping cream or desert topping.

Well done w/ ketchup

 

[variant]

They have circumstantial evidence. They are investigating to see if there is direct evidence.

We should expect their usual efficiency, maybe 28 months and 10 investigations later they'll come up with something completely unrelated to throw at him.

 

[Pommer]

We should expect their usual efficiency, maybe 28 months and 10 investigations later they'll come up with something completely unrelated to throw at him.

Didn’t he have something (anything?) to do with the 9-11 attacks in Benghazi!?
There’s another area that they could explore?

 

[JustOneWay]

Didn’t he have something (anything?) to do with the 9-11 attacks in Benghazi!?

That is what I heard. Benghazi is also where he shot Kennedy right after reading My Pet Goat to the little ones at the madrasa.

 

[Pommer]

That is what I heard. Benghazi is also where he shot Kennedy right after reading My Pet Goat to the little ones at the madrasa.

Bobby or Jack?