Gog and Magog (Part I)

[d taylor]

I already proved from the text in Ez 38 and Rev 20 that these 2 wars are different but you keep ignoring that.

Where in the Bible you see that Israel will live in peace only during the millenium? As I understand it, Israel will live in peace during the first half of the 7 year tribulation, because they signed the false peacy treaty with the false messiah.

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Well you can get back to me when they start taking down their walls.

 

[tailgator]

With Iran’s threat to attack Israel and Turkey’s support for Iran’s proxies, the first battle of Gog and Magog appears to be very imminent (Ezekiel 38-39, Joel 2, Zechariah 12, Isaiah 34, Revelation 6:12-17).

Jesus said the events encapsulated in the first four seals of Revelation 6’s sealed scroll would be like birth pangs, which get more intense and closer together as the time approaches. Think about Al Aqsa Flood for a minute. Since October 7th, 2023, we have seen the following:

1. Conquest of Palestine by Israel
2. Attacks from Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthi.
3. Hyperinflation and stagflation in the market
4. Monkeypox Pandemic in Africa

Now Islamist immigrants flood into European nations governed predominantly by Christians and they are trying to change the laws to sharia law. This, IMO, will no doubt result in martyrdom and persecution of Christians. If I’m correct about this, Trump will not win the 2024 elections.

But all is in God’s hands and nothing happens without His permission.

Finally, the sixth seal quotes so many end-time prophecies about the destruction of nations surrounding and attacking Israel. Notice the patterns in the following passages:

1) Joel 2 talks about an army from the north coming and urges Israel to fast and repent. Then the sun is turned dark and moon to blood. Then the Holy Spirit is poured out on Israel. Then Joel 3 speaks of the destruction of the surrounding nations and the restoration of Israel.

2) Isaiah 33-34 talks about stars falling from the sky and heaven wrapping up like a scroll as signs of the destruction of surrounding nations and Edom (who hated his brother and wanted his blessings). Isaiah 35 follows that talking about the blessings of Israel.

3) Ezekiel 38-39 talks about a massive earthquake that removes mountains and causes everything on earth to hide. It is preceded by the restoration of Israel and followed by the attacking nations getting destroyed by God. Then Israel experiences prosperity, even burning the fuel from the armies for seven years (no coincidence to Daniel 9:27).

4) Zechariah 12 talks about Jerusalem being surrounded by armies and defeating them, then God gathering all nations against Jerusalem to execute judgment on them. Then the Holy Spirit is poured out on Israel and they receive Jesus. Blessings follow afterward and Israel experiences revival.

I would argue that the fifth seal is imminent and the sixth is right after that. We’ll have to watch and see. God is in control, not me or my interpretations.

Thoughts?

Gog ,Persia,Ethiopia and Libya in Ezekiel 38 do not come against Israel till after the resurrection of Israel in Ezekiel 37.

Christ and the resurected saints of Israel will be dwelling in the land of Israel when Gog shows up.


Here is when Israel is resurected out of their graves.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


Here is where Messiah reigns in the land of Israel forever more.

Ezekiel 37

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.




These things will be fulfilled before Gog ,Persia,Ethiopia and libya come against the resurected saints of Israel.When these nations come against the resurected saints of Israel,Israel will be a peaceful people dwelling without walls or defences and will be safe and secure.



The people who live in the land of Israel today
Did not come out of graves
Do not have Messiah reigning over them
Have not put away their detestable things
Have not been cleansed
Do not dwell there in unwalled villages
Are not peaceful
Are not safe.

 

[tailgator]

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Well you can get back to me when they start taking down their walls.

I believe those walls surrounding Apostate Israel today are destroyed about 1000 years before Gog comes against the resurected saints .

The walls will be destroyed about the same time as apostate Israel's beast king is destroyed.

 

[tailgator]

Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20 are different.

First of all, Ezekiel 38:15 states that Gog will only come from “the remote parts of the north”. In Revelation 20, John writes that Gog and Magog will come from “the four corners of the earth”

Secondly, in Ezekiel 38 we only have few nations where as in Revelation 20 we have multitude of people from all over the Earth.

Thirdly, Gog in Ezekiel 38 will die by sword on mountains of Jerusalem, where as in Rev 20, Gog will be destoroyed by fire from Heaven.

All of this makes me and many other believe that Gog is some spiritual being who will control different men. One before the millenium, and one after.

Gog in Ezekiel 38 is destroyed by fire and brimstone rained down upon him and his bands.

Ezekiel 38
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

 

[tailgator]

Post some Biblical verses that show Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20 are the same battle. I have shown why they they are not, yet you haven't posted anything that proves otherwise.

In Ezekiel 38 Gog will be killed by the sword and will fall on the mountains of Israel, their bodies will be eaten by birds and animals, and it will take seven months to bury them there. On the other hand, Gog in Rev 20 and those rebels with him a thousand years later will be destroyed, on the spot, by fire coming down out of heaven, there is no burrier site. So if Ez 38 says Gog will be killed by the sword on the mountains of Jerusalem, and Rev 20 says he will be killed by the fire from heaven on the spot. Then these are not the same event.

Also, the armies of the first Gog will be only from a select number of nations in a localized region as we see in Ezekiel 38:2-6. But the second Gog will gather a gigantic multitude of people from all over the earth to make his attack (Revelation 20:8). Again we see these are 2 different events.

At the return to earth of God/Jesus, when He destroys the first leader Gog and his hordes, He will gather the descendants of Jacob (that is, Israelites dispersed among the nations of the world) back to Israel (Ezekiel 39:25), and at that time the people will know that He is their Lord and God (39:28)
At the end of the Millennium, though, Jesus will have been ruling and reigning for 1,000 years, and Israel will have known Him as Lord that entire time.

The Bible clearly teaches that these are 2 different events.

Israel knows the Lord in Ezekiel 37 when they are resurected out of their graves and Messiah reigns over them.
The resurected saints of Israel with God's holy spirit in them from Ezekiel 37 will have lived in the land of Israel for 1000 years before Gog ,Ethiopia and Libya comes against them in Ezekiel 38.

 

[tailgator]

No war will take place during the millenium as satan will be bound for 1000 years, and he wilp be put in a bottomless pit that will be shut and sealed against him, so he cannot deceive any nations (Rev 20:1-3).

At the end of it, satan will be released for a little while and he will gather nations and he will match against Jerusalem.

During the milpenium it will be so peaceful that a child will play next to a deadly snake and yet the snake will not harm it. Isaiah 11 6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. 9 They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

According to Isaiah 65, when spmeone dies as a 100 years old during the millenium, he will be considered young
Verse 20 No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.

There will be no wars in millenium because Christ will be here on Earth.

There is a war before the millinium in which the land of Israel must recover from .The war which takes place before the millinium is mention in

Ezekiel 38.
After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.



The war which takes place before the millennium is the war of armegeddon in which apostate Israels beast king is destroyed.
Israel's present day beast king.

 

[Barraco]

Gog ,Persia,Ethiopia and Libya in Ezekiel 38 do not come against Israel till after the resurrection of Israel in Ezekiel 37.

Christ and the resurected saints of Israel will be dwelling in the land of Israel when Gog shows up.


Here is when Israel is resurected out of their graves.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


Here is where Messiah reigns in the land of Israel forever more.

Ezekiel 37

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.




These things will be fulfilled before Gog ,Persia,Ethiopia and libya come against the resurected saints of Israel.When these nations come against the resurected saints of Israel,Israel will be a peaceful people dwelling without walls or defences and will be safe and secure.



The people who live in the land of Israel today
Did not come out of graves
Do not have Messiah reigning over them
Have not put away their detestable things
Have not been cleansed
Do not dwell there in unwalled villages
Are not peaceful
Are not safe.

There is a dual fulfillment. Ezekiel 38 also says that Gog invades Israel after they had just recovered from years of war. However, Revelation 20's event happens after 1,000 years of peace. The two are not the same. Additionally, Joel 2, Zechariah 12, Isaiah 34, Ezekiel 36 all talk about a reversal of fortunes and destruction of armies gathered against them, even the northern horde (Joel 2).

Gog is the spiritual prince of Magog, the land of Assyria (Turkey included). He is opposed to God's people and promise, as is true today and will be at the end of the millennium. Satan is Gog, if that isn't clear. The audience in Revelation lived in Anatolia, modern day Turkey. Every empire that ruled over Jews and Jerusalem also ruled over southeastern Turkey. Babylon, Persia, Macedonia, Egypt, Seleucia, Rome, and Turkey.

Gog, the dragon of Revelation 12, was thrown down after World War I, when the League of Nations took control of Palestine and placed the mandate under Britain's control. Afterward, he began to persecute the Jews. The Jews left the land of Magog and settled in the mandate of Palestine after World War II. This is Zion fleeing to the wilderness on eagles wings and settling in the Holy Land (the first seal). Then Islamist Revolutions occurred and overturned peace negotiations. This is where the serpent spewed lies to the world to try and gather Magog against Zion (the second seal). God turned Israel's curses agains those that curse him, in accordance with Ezekiel 36 (third seal), causing Israel to prosper and the surrounding nations like Gaza and Lebanon to suffer economic depression. That led to the Al Aqsa Flood on October 7, 2023, which was the hook that pulled Gog and Magog together against Israel.

Two things must happen first: The complete desolation of Gaza (the fourth seal) and the completion of persecution of Christians (the fifth seal). Something after this triggers the invasion of Gog (the sixth seal). My guess is Israel seals normalization with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. Turkey and Iran, both competitors in the Arab world, are both hate Israel and are antagonists in the Battle of Gog and Magog.

Take a look at the sixth seal. It quotes Joel 2 regarding the sun turning black and the moon turning blood red. This is the event between the northern horde gathering against Jerusalem and the Holy Spirit being poured upon the Land (see Isaiah 32). Then the sixth seal quotes Isaiah 34 regarding the stars falling from the sky and the earth wrapping up like a scroll. In that chapter, God executes judgement on the surrounding nations and destroys Edom. Edom hated Israel and wanted him out of the land. Then Ezekiel 38 is quoted by a great earthquake occurring, causing all people and animals to hide.

Peace happens when Hamas gets eradicated, Lebanon rebuffs Hezbollah, and Saudi Arabia normalizes relations with Israel. That is all within sight as we speak. I don't think Hezbollah expects to be overthrown from within.

 

[tailgator]

There is a dual fulfillment. Ezekiel 38 also says that Gog invades Israel after they had just recovered from years of war. However, Revelation 20's event happens after 1,000 years of peace. The two are not the same. Additionally, Joel 2, Zechariah 12, Isaiah 34, Ezekiel 36 all talk about a reversal of fortunes and destruction of armies gathered against them, even the northern horde (Joel 2).

Gog is the spiritual prince of Magog, the land of Assyria (Turkey included). He is opposed to God's people and promise, as is true today and will be at the end of the millennium. Satan is Gog, if that isn't clear. The audience in Revelation lived in Anatolia, modern day Turkey. Every empire that ruled over Jews and Jerusalem also ruled over southeastern Turkey. Babylon, Persia, Macedonia, Egypt, Seleucia, Rome, and Turkey.

Gog, the dragon of Revelation 12, was thrown down after World War I, when the League of Nations took control of Palestine and placed the mandate under Britain's control. Afterward, he began to persecute the Jews. The Jews left the land of Magog and settled in the mandate of Palestine after World War II. This is Zion fleeing to the wilderness on eagles wings and settling in the Holy Land (the first seal). Then Islamist Revolutions occurred and overturned peace negotiations. This is where the serpent spewed lies to the world to try and gather Magog against Zion (the second seal). God turned Israel's curses agains those that curse him, in accordance with Ezekiel 36 (third seal), causing Israel to prosper and the surrounding nations like Gaza and Lebanon to suffer economic depression. That led to the Al Aqsa Flood on October 7, 2023, which was the hook that pulled Gog and Magog together against Israel.

Two things must happen first: The complete desolation of Gaza (the fourth seal) and the completion of persecution of Christians (the fifth seal). Something after this triggers the invasion of Gog (the sixth seal). My guess is Israel seals normalization with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. Turkey and Iran, both competitors in the Arab world, are both hate Israel and are antagonists in the Battle of Gog and Magog.

Take a look at the sixth seal. It quotes Joel 2 regarding the sun turning black and the moon turning blood red. This is the event between the northern horde gathering against Jerusalem and the Holy Spirit being poured upon the Land (see Isaiah 32). Then the sixth seal quotes Isaiah 34 regarding the stars falling from the sky and the earth wrapping up like a scroll. In that chapter, God executes judgement on the surrounding nations and destroys Edom. Edom hated Israel and wanted him out of the land. Then Ezekiel 38 is quoted by a great earthquake occurring, causing all people and animals to hide.

Peace happens when Hamas gets eradicated, Lebanon rebuffs Hezbollah, and Saudi Arabia normalizes relations with Israel. That is all within sight as we speak. I don't think Hezbollah expects to be overthrown from within.

False.
Gog comes against the resurected saints of Israel after the millennium when those saints are at peace.Thwcwar of armegeddon is 1000 years before Gog comes against Israel.Itbis that war that the land has to recover from..


You are ignoring Israel coming out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 and Messiah reigning over Israel in Ezekiel 37 before Gog comes against those resurected saints.


Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


I take it you do not believe in the resurection when Israel is brought up out of their graves.You should believe in the resurrection be use Jesus said he would do this.

John 5:28-29
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.



Jesus comes and raises Israel from their graves before Gog comes against the land of Israel.Ezekiel 37-39 is talking about the exact same events as revelation 20.
In both books ,Christ comes and resurrects the saints before Gog comes against them.


Stop ignoring the resurection and the coming of Messiah in Ezekiel 37.

 

[tailgator]

There is a dual fulfillment. Ezekiel 38 also says that Gog invades Israel after they had just recovered from years of war. However, Revelation 20's event happens after 1,000 years of peace. The two are not the same. Additionally, Joel 2, Zechariah 12, Isaiah 34, Ezekiel 36 all talk about a reversal of fortunes and destruction of armies gathered against them, even the northern horde (Joel 2).

Gog is the spiritual prince of Magog, the land of Assyria (Turkey included). He is opposed to God's people and promise, as is true today and will be at the end of the millennium. Satan is Gog, if that isn't clear. The audience in Revelation lived in Anatolia, modern day Turkey. Every empire that ruled over Jews and Jerusalem also ruled over southeastern Turkey. Babylon, Persia, Macedonia, Egypt, Seleucia, Rome, and Turkey.

Gog, the dragon of Revelation 12, was thrown down after World War I, when the League of Nations took control of Palestine and placed the mandate under Britain's control. Afterward, he began to persecute the Jews. The Jews left the land of Magog and settled in the mandate of Palestine after World War II. This is Zion fleeing to the wilderness on eagles wings and settling in the Holy Land (the first seal). Then Islamist Revolutions occurred and overturned peace negotiations. This is where the serpent spewed lies to the world to try and gather Magog against Zion (the second seal). God turned Israel's curses agains those that curse him, in accordance with Ezekiel 36 (third seal), causing Israel to prosper and the surrounding nations like Gaza and Lebanon to suffer economic depression. That led to the Al Aqsa Flood on October 7, 2023, which was the hook that pulled Gog and Magog together against Israel.

Two things must happen first: The complete desolation of Gaza (the fourth seal) and the completion of persecution of Christians (the fifth seal). Something after this triggers the invasion of Gog (the sixth seal). My guess is Israel seals normalization with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. Turkey and Iran, both competitors in the Arab world, are both hate Israel and are antagonists in the Battle of Gog and Magog.

Take a look at the sixth seal. It quotes Joel 2 regarding the sun turning black and the moon turning blood red. This is the event between the northern horde gathering against Jerusalem and the Holy Spirit being poured upon the Land (see Isaiah 32). Then the sixth seal quotes Isaiah 34 regarding the stars falling from the sky and the earth wrapping up like a scroll. In that chapter, God executes judgement on the surrounding nations and destroys Edom. Edom hated Israel and wanted him out of the land. Then Ezekiel 38 is quoted by a great earthquake occurring, causing all people and animals to hide.

Peace happens when Hamas gets eradicated, Lebanon rebuffs Hezbollah, and Saudi Arabia normalizes relations with Israel. That is all within sight as we speak. I don't think Hezbollah expects to be overthrown from within.

Stop ignoring the resurection and the reign of Messiah in Ezekiel 37 and you might start understanding the truth.

 

[tranquil]

Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 will take place right before the 7 years begin.

The trumpets of Revelation take place in second half of that 7 years following Gog/Magog.

That's just not true. There is 5 months in the 1st woe, an indeterminate time in Rev 9:13-21, and 1260 days until the 7th Trumpet. Does this sound like the 2nd half of 7 years? No

 

[Fisherking]

With Iran’s threat to attack Israel and Turkey’s support for Iran’s proxies, the first battle of Gog and Magog appears to be very imminent (Ezekiel 38-39, Joel 2, Zechariah 12, Isaiah 34, Revelation 6:12-17).

Correct, I have been saying the Psalm 83 Wars/skirmishes are in our rear window for 10 plus years now.

Jesus said the events encapsulated in the first four seals of Revelation 6’s sealed scroll would be like birth pangs, which get more intense and closer together as the time approaches. Think about Al Aqsa Flood for a minute. Since October 7th, 2023, we have seen the following:

Well, not quite, I mean you get the birth pangs quotation of Jesus correct, of course, that is not my point, you get the timing of the birth pangs all wrong, and that easy to do because many famous and not so famous preachers, preach and teach this without thinking it through.

The Revelation Seals happen after the 70th week starts, not before, so how can those events in Matt. 24 be a part of the "Revelation Seals"? (which do nothing put foretell the coming Trump Judgments, but that is not important to this point) They can not be, the baby is only delivered via vs. 14, when the gospel has been preached unto the ends of the world. It goes like this, verses 7-8 are really just Jesus giving an off handed demonstration of why verses 4-6 can not be the end or 2nd coming, everything in verses 4-13 are about the Disciples plight, and Jesus explaining what is coming unto them, then in vs. 14 Jesus tells what brings the end, which meant they knew they would never see the 2nd coming, because they knew they would never reach places like India, China and the Scythians (modern day Russia) in their lifetimes.

Matt. 24:4-6 is all about the 67-70 AD war, Jerusalem will get conquered, the temple will be destroyed, but Jesus tells them, "The end is not yet", in other words this will not be my 2nd coming sans the 70th week events, then he tries to HAMMER THIS POINT HOME, by demonstrating why it can not be his 2nd coming, he needs to hammer this home because if his disciples return to fight, thinking its Jesus come again, the church would have followed them, and the fledgling Church would have been destroyed in its infancy. That was Satan's master plan, of course, so Jesus has to give them a full scale demonstration as per unto why the end was not yet. That is all verses 7-8 is, its not germane to the instruction he is giving his disciples.

So, here's what Jesus said, basically, do not worry about this being the 70th week end, or my 2nd coming, when the temple is destroyed and you hear rumors of wars (67-70 AD) because before al that can happen, you will see nation arise against nation (ethos vs. ethos or races fighting each other) And you will see kingdom arise against kingdom. Well, that could never happened as long as Rome was in charge, feel me? See my point? Jesus is demonstrating why the 70 AD events can not be THE END/70th week events. Then you will see Earthquakes getting worse and worse (they may have never seen an earthquake in the time. You will see famine getting worse and worse (Rome had no problem with that) and you will see great pestilence. This was not about the 70th week and "Seals" at all, its about why 70 AD could not be the end or 70th week and why all these things had to play out BEFORE the 70th week end times will be upon Israel, after the 70th week starts the Baby is DELIVERED !! It has nothing to do with the 70th week.

Then in verses 9-13 Jesus goes right back to telling the Disciples there immediate futures. He tells them false prophets will betray and have them killed, not false Christians, but the culture class was Christianity blowing the doors off the false religions like Zeus, Jupiter et al. They complained to Rome who then started persecuting all Christians who refused to bow to Cesar. Johnathan Cahn's book "Return of the GODS" tells it all. Then Jesus warns the disciples not to be like Judas and tells them they MUST ENDURE until the end, not END TIMES, but to the end of their lives, they just been told they were all going to die, save John.

Finally in vs. 14 Jesus tells them a 100 % reason why they need not go fight in 70 AD, because he says he will not return until the WHOLE WORLD has heard the Gospel, and as I stated, China, India were never going to be Evangelized before 70 AD, so they knew they would never see Jesus' return.

1. Conquest of Palestine by Israel
2. Attacks from Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthi.
3. Hyperinflation and stagflation in the market
4. Monkeypox Pandemic in Africa

More to do with the Birth Pangs, agreed, but not the 70th week. Add in the black plague in the 1300s and COVID 19 et al.

Now Islamist immigrants flood into European nations governed predominantly by Christians and they are trying to change the laws to sharia law. This, IMO, will no doubt result in martyrdom and persecution of Christians. If I’m correct about this, Trump will not win the 2024 elections.

The NWO is indeed trying to create a Global Utopia, but Satan is very sneaky, in order to get his way, he knows eventually he will need to conquer Israel, but he also knows that Muslims will never be able to carry this off, they have no weapons, their armies are really bad, Satan is using this to create a BACKLASH like Germany had via the Jews in the 1930s, he going to get Europe to the point where they are tired of both of them and then he will send in his E.U. Armies to conquer not only Israel, but the whole Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR) also (Israel & THE MANY). We can see that in Dan. 11:40-43.

Remember this man will demand to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! Muslim are not going to do that, that is why he kills off the Harlot (All False Religions) in Rev. 17, he will kill off Islam in the E.U. and MSR and that is the only region he will rule, it was never going to be a World Wide Gov. Heck we will see 1/3 of the world burning, (The New World). God wipes out Russia, Turkey and Iran's Armies by 5/6, so he has no opposition, Russia and China will however have Nukes, he's not going to conquer them. He will only be able to conquer Israel because in their AGREEMEMT (Covenant) via Dan. 9:27 they agree to give up their Nukes and to join the E.U. That when God's anger come forth, they give away His land, the Rapture happens and the 70th week kicks off.

Finally, the sixth seal quotes so many end-time prophecies about the destruction of nations surrounding and attacking Israel. Notice the patterns in the following passages:

1) Joel 2 talks about an army from the north coming and urges Israel to fast and repent. Then the sun is turned dark and moon to blood. Then the Holy Spirit is poured out on Israel. Then Joel 3 speaks of the destruction of the surrounding nations and the restoration of Israel.

True, BUT........the 6th Seal AND Joel 2:31 both foretell the or prophesy about a coming Asteroid Event which we see in Rev. 8's Trumpet Judgments. NOTICE, in Trump #4 the Sun & Moon go dark. Joel foretold it 2500 years ago and Jesus will foretell it in Heaven, amongst the Church, after the Rapture and JUST BEFORE Israel flees Judea in Rev. 7, which is JUST BEFORE God's Wrath fall. I can prove it, Zech. 13:8-9 says that 1/3 repents then in the very next verse (Zech. 14:1) it says the Day of the Lord ARRIVES. Amen.

3) Ezekiel 38-39 talks about a massive earthquake that removes mountains and causes everything on earth to hide. It is preceded by the restoration of Israel and followed by the attacking nations getting destroyed by God. Then Israel experiences prosperity, even burning the fuel from the armies for seven years (no coincidence to Daniel 9:27).

This is the Gog & Magog War, not Anti-Christ conquering Jerusalem at the mid point nor the Armageddon war, this is the war that sets it all in motion, this war gets Israel to join the E.U.

4) Zechariah 12 talks about Jerusalem being surrounded by armies and defeating them, then God gathering all nations against Jerusalem to execute judgment on them. Then the Holy Spirit is poured out on Israel and they receive Jesus. Blessings follow afterward and Israel experiences revival.

I would argue that the fifth seal is imminent and the sixth is right after that. We’ll have to watch and see. God is in control, not me or my interpretations.

No seals can be broken until the 70th week starts and the Church Age (Rev. 2 & 3) is over.

 

[Douggg]

That's just not true. There is 5 months in the 1st woe, an indeterminate time in Rev 9:13-21, and 1260 days until the 7th Trumpet. Does this sound like the 2nd half of 7 years? No

John witnesses many things beginning in Revelation 8, when Jesus opens the 7th seal. He witnesses the seven angels standing before God and being given seven trumpets.

The last three angels with their trumpets are proclaimed by an angel flying through the midst of heaven - Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! (taken from Revelation 8:9)

Then in Revelation 9, John was shown what the 5th trumpet (1st woe) and the 6th trumpet (2nd woe) would be.

Then in Revelation 10, John sees a mighty angel come down and stand on the earth, one foot on the land and one foot on the sea.

John gets informed by the mighty angel that in the days of the 7th angel sounding the mystery of God will be finished.

John is then give a little book and told to prophesy again - So that starts a new prophecy in Revelation 11. Revelation 11 does not follow directly after the woes of Revelation 9 - as you are implying.

The 1260 days of the witnesses testifying and prophesying are the first half of the seven years. And the 42 months of treading down Jerusalem by the Gentile is the second half of the seven years.

 

[Barraco]

Stop ignoring the resurection and the reign of Messiah in Ezekiel 37 and you might start understanding the truth.

I'm not ignoring it. Many scholars of Ezekiel 37 understand it to be a prophecy of the restoration of the nation of Israel, not a physical resurrection of individuals. It even says that in Ezekiel 37:21-23. This lines up with Zechariah 12 and Joel 2, which shows nations besieging Jerusalem. At that time, the Holy Spirit will be poured out on the elect and God will cleanse the nation from all unrighteousness (Zechariah 13). When a people turn to Jesus, they become His subjects in His kingdom. Jesus said He would not return to Jerusalem until they say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." What Ezekiel saw was the gathering of the house of Judah and the house of Joseph into one nation (fulfilled in 1948) and taking part in an everlasting covenant.

‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees.25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.’”

- Ezekiel 37:25-28 NIV

If it isn't obvious, the restoration of Israel and its sovereignty is what provokes the armies of Gog to invade and besiege Jerusalem. Take a look at these references mentioned in the sixth seal:

"The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord."
(Joel 2:28-32 NIV)

"All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
(Isaiah 34:4 NIV)

"In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned,the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground."
(Ezekiel 38:19-20 NIV)

"People will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from the fearful presence of the Lord and the splendor of his majesty, when he rises to shake the earth."
(Isaiah 2:20 NIV)

'I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig treewhen shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on usand hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” (Revelation 6:12-17 NIV)

 

[tailgator]

I'm not ignoring it. Many scholars of Ezekiel 37 understand it to be a prophecy of the restoration of the nation of Israel, not a physical resurrection of individuals. It even says that in Ezekiel 37:21-23. This lines up with Zechariah 12 and Joel 2, which shows nations besieging Jerusalem. At that time, the Holy Spirit will be poured out on the elect and God will cleanse the nation from all unrighteousness (Zechariah 13). When a people turn to Jesus, they become His subjects in His kingdom. Jesus said He would not return to Jerusalem until they say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." What Ezekiel saw was the gathering of the house of Judah and the house of Joseph into one nation (fulfilled in 1948) and taking part in an everlasting covenant.

‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees.25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.’”

- Ezekiel 37:25-28 NIV

If it isn't obvious, the restoration of Israel and its sovereignty is what provokes the armies of Gog to invade and besiege Jerusalem. Take a look at these references mentioned in the sixth seal:

"The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord."
(Joel 2:28-32 NIV)

"All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
(Isaiah 34:4 NIV)

"In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned,the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground."
(Ezekiel 38:19-20 NIV)

"People will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from the fearful presence of the Lord and the splendor of his majesty, when he rises to shake the earth."
(Isaiah 2:20 NIV)

'I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig treewhen shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on usand hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” (Revelation 6:12-17 NIV)

So you believe people coming out of their graves is not literal.
It sounds as though you have been taught by the Sadducees,for they also do not believe in the resurection.


Like I said,you should believe Jesus.
He is telling the truth.


John 5:28

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Ezekiel describes the resurection.

Ezekiel 37

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.






This is the same resurrection that takes place before Gog invades Israel with all his bands in revelation 20.


Revelation ,20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



And as I have proven through scripture.Gog in Ezekiel 38 is destroy by God by fire raining down upon him and his bands.


Ezekiel 38
I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him




Same resurection
Same peace
Same invasion of Gog
Same destruction of Gog by fire from heaven from.God.

 

[Barraco]

So you believe people coming out of their graves is not literal.
It sounds as though you have been taught by the Sadducees,for they also do not believe in the resurection.

Probably best not to throw around accusations. Ezekiel 37 literally says what the expression means: A restoration of Israel as a whole under a new covenant governed by one king.

Like I said,you should believe Jesus.
He is telling the truth.


John 5:28

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Many were resurrected at His crucifixion. Otherwise this set to occur at His return.

Ezekiel describes the resurection.

Ezekiel 37

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

It’s about the restoration of Israel, gathered from the four winds and placed back in their land. The Holy Spirit will be poured upon them and they shall no longer defile the promised land. Zephaniah 3, Zechariah 13, Isaiah 32, and Revelation 14’s 144,000 all refer to this. Revelation 7 indicates, however, that a tribulation would come upon the world and the remnant would be preserved. What I have been pointing to is the sequence presented in Joel 2, Zech 12, Isaiah 32-34, and Ezekiel 36 (which summarizes 37-39):

1) God restores Israel, Jerusalem, and the Jews
2) God gathers Israel’s enemies together for judgment
3) God pours out His Spirit on Israel
4) God destroys the surrounding nations
5) God gives Israel prosperity

This is the same resurrection that takes place before Gog invades Israel with all his bands in revelation 20.

Disagree. Ezekiel 38’s Gog attacks Israel after they just finished warfare whereas Rev 20’s Gog attacks Israel after 1,000 years of peace. Gog is Satan from Rev 12, if that isn’t obvious.
And as I have proven through scripture.Gog in Ezekiel 38 is destroy by God by fire raining down upon him and his bands.

Ezekiel 38
I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him

Gog’s armies also kill each other on the mountains of Israel.

Same resurection
Same peace
Same invasion of Gog
Same destruction of Gog by fire from heaven from.God.

Gog also invaded Israel during the reign of Hezekiah. That army was miraculously destroyed by God as well.

 

[tailgator]

Probably best not to throw around accusations. Ezekiel 37 literally says what the expression means: A restoration of Israel as a whole under a new covenant governed by one king.


Many were resurrected at His crucifixion. Otherwise this set to occur at His return.


It’s about the restoration of Israel, gathered from the four winds and placed back in their land. The Holy Spirit will be poured upon them and they shall no longer defile the promised land. Zephaniah 3, Zechariah 13, Isaiah 32, and Revelation 14’s 144,000 all refer to this. Revelation 7 indicates, however, that a tribulation would come upon the world and the remnant would be preserved. What I have been pointing to is the sequence presented in Joel 2, Zech 12, Isaiah 32-34, and Ezekiel 36 (which summarizes 37-39):

1) God restores Israel, Jerusalem, and the Jews
2) God gathers Israel’s enemies together for judgment
3) God pours out His Spirit on Israel
4) God destroys the surrounding nations
5) God gives Israel prosperity


Disagree. Ezekiel 38’s Gog attacks Israel after they just finished warfare whereas Rev 20’s Gog attacks Israel after 1,000 years of peace. Gog is Satan from Rev 12, if that isn’t obvious.
And as I have proven through scripture.Gog in Ezekiel 38 is destroy by God by fire raining down upon him and his bands.



Gog’s armies also kill each other on the mountains of Israel.



Gog also invaded Israel during the reign of Hezekiah. That army was miraculously destroyed by God as well.

Now your making false accusations about the Ezekiel 37 which shows Israel coming up out of their graves.literally coming out of their graves.

I understand it's hard for some people to believe God can raise the dead from their graves ,but that is actually what he says he will do .You can either believe God and his word or you can doubt he can do it.Its your choice.


You should try reading Ezekiel 37 sometime.
Try believing God too.


Ezekiel 37

5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

[tailgator]

Sure are some people on this site who don't believe God can raise the dead from their graves and are not afraid to say he won't.
God tells Israel he will raise them up out of their graves and people just can't believe it's the truth.They go about saying he will not raise Israel up out of their graves and say it means altogether something different.



John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.





God is not lying .
He can do it and has proven he can already.

 

[tailgator]

Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,



God says he will raise the dead out of their graves and people say no,no ,hes not going to raise anyone from the dead.He will not bring anyone out of their graves.He doesn't do anything like that..


What kind of a board is this where people say God will not do what he says he will do?

 

[Barraco]

Now your making false accusations about the Ezekiel 37 which shows Israel coming up out of their graves.literally coming out of their graves.

It’s not a false accusation. If you keep reading the chapter, Ezekiel uses another sign for Israel by fusing to sticks together to show them that Israel will be one again. The resurrection was a sign that God’s promises would be fulfilled and God’s people need to have faith.

Revelation 20 borrows this motif because Satan, the Dragon from Rev 12, is the leader of the godless and blasphemous nations.

I understand it's hard for some people to believe God can raise the dead from their graves ,but that is actually what he says he will do .You can either believe God and his word or you can doubt he can do it.Its your choice.

I have no problem believing in a literal resurrection. I just don’t think you are interpreting the chapter correctly.

You should try reading Ezekiel 37 sometime.
Try believing God too.

I have. Several times. I would like to see you read Joel 2 and tell me who the northern horde is and why it is destroyed just before the Holy Spirit is poured out on Israel.

 

[tailgator]

It’s not a false accusation. If you keep reading the chapter, Ezekiel uses another sign for Israel by fusing to sticks together to show them that Israel will be one again. The resurrection was a sign that God’s promises would be fulfilled and God’s people need to have faith.

Revelation 20 borrows this motif because Satan, the Dragon from Rev 12, is the leader of the godless and blasphemous nations.



I have no problem believing in a literal resurrection. I just don’t think you are interpreting the chapter correctly.



I have. Several times. I would like to see you read Joel 2 and tell me who the northern horde is and why it is destroyed just before the Holy Spirit is poured out on Israel.

The northern armed forces which occupy Israel for 42 months before the coming of Christ.

The king of the north gives the Israeli government his armed forces in Daniel 11:31.In revelation it is referd to as the second beast of revelation 13 which practices the authority of the beast on its behalf for 42 months.

This marks the beginning of the tribulation for the saints in Israel .

Revelation 14;13
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

This persecution lasts till the time of the end when the king of the south attacks the king of the norths armed forces in Israel and overcomes them killing the two witnesses.
3.5 days later is the day of the Lord mentioned in Joel 2 when the king of the north goes forth to annihilate many .

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

The abomination that causes desolation is used at that time causing the great tribulation in Daniel 12:1.
At that time the dead are raised out of their graves.
This is the same resurection which Ezekiel wrote about in Ezekiel 37.This is an outpouring of God's spirit to them who sleep.in the dust as in Ezekiel 37.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.


The northern army in Daniel 11 will no.longer be occupying Israel after this war.
The kingdom.of Israel is given to the resurected saints in Daniel 11:2 .


The man of sin comes to his end in Daniel 11:45.
He is the man who moves his embassy to Jerusalem in Daniel 11:45

Daniel 11:45
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.



It will yet be another 1000 years after this great war and this resurrection before Gog invades.