Gods Words Are Clear, The Deception Used To Deceive The World Into Taking The Mark And Image Worship Is Fire Called From Heaven By The False Prophet

[Douggg]

Many put the future (Man Of Sin) (The Beast) as the ruler of earth during the 3.5 year tribulation "Wrong"!

It will be God's (Two Witnesses) that rule in bringing all plagues in torturing the evil world, a literal remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, God's in control!

Revelation 11:3-6 & 10KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The Future (Two Witnesses) "All Plagues" As Often As They Will, In Representing "God" During The Tribulation

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

The last 75 days of the two witnesses' 1260 days, they will be battling the beast-king as the abomination of desolation image of him will have been setup. Yes, those 75 days are part of the great tribulation.

 

[Douggg]

Conclusion: (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) are present upon earth in power for the exact same time of 3.5 years in "Parallel" and this time ends in the 7th angel sounding in the second coming final judgment (The End)

Truth7t7, I suggest stop using the "3.5 years, 3 1/2 years" term, because neither term is found in the bible. I realize that you are doing conversions, and also dividing 7 years in half.

Instead, use the terms as expressed in the bible for each action. That way you will be correct and specific.

The timeframes like 1260 days and 42 months are not interchangeable, like a person would normally think. Revelation has unique reasons why not.

For example, the 42 months, a person could understandably reason 42 months x 30 days/month = 1260 days. But in Revelation, there is a reason he 42 months is not exactly 1260 days, but 1256 1/2 days. It is because the two witnesses don't depart this world until 1260 days + 3 1/2 days = 1263 1/2 days, leaving 1256 1/2 days in the 2520 days 7 years.

Therefore, the beast-king rules unimpeded for 1256 1/2 days - which in Revelation is the 42 months of Revelation 13:5.

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The way to determine what timeframe goes where is to just match the like timeframes into either the first half or second half.

first half
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

second half
3 /12 days - Revelation 11:9-11
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7

 

[Douggg]

You clearly see in Revelation 13:5 that (The Beast) is given 42 months/3.5 years

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

You clearly see in Revelation 11:3 that the (Two Witnesses) are given 1260 days/3.5 years

Revelation 11:3KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

So why don't Revelation 13:5, Revelation 11:3 use the same time expression term, if they parrallel each other?

Revelation 13:5 - 42 months
Revelation 11:3 - 1260 days

The reason the two are different is that 1260 days (first half) is before the 42 months (second half).

 

[Johan2222]

No place on this earth has (The Beast) or (The False Prophet) been revealed, nor has a literal man called literal fire down from heaven, (The Beast) and (The False Prophet) will be future individual human men

Not to you obviously, but Aaron112 is far from alone in being able to see it.

Seeing the generation of the fig tree is very old and seeing Jesus said all of the signs would be accomplished before they passed, how do you think it will all take place in the few years that remain?

Do you honestly think that Jeremiah 5.14 was fulfilled literally?

Know assuredly that the elect have certainly seen what you say has not taken place.

 

[Douggg]

Seeing the generation of the fig tree is very old and seeing Jesus said all of the signs would be accomplished before they passed, how do you think it will all take place in the few years that remain?

The fig tree representing Jerusalem, then 1967 (Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews) + 70 years for a generation (Psalms 90:10) = 2037 as the not later than year that Jesus will return.

If we subtract 7 years (Daniel 9:27, Ezekiel 39:9 ), we get 2037-7 years = 2030. So sometime before the end of 2030, the Gog/Magog event will take place, not later than.

So we are very close.

Who the actual persons are, i.e. the little horn/Antichrist/beast king, Gog, the false prophet - we don't yet. It may be Zelensky, Putin, the Yanuka (Rav Shlomo Yehuda).

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The fig tree representing Jerusalem, then 1967 (Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews) + 70 years for a generation (Psalms 90:10) = 2037 as the not later than year that Jesus will return.

Psalm 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Show me where this verse says that a generation equals 70 years. It says no such thing. It refers to the average human lifespan, but does not refer to it as being the duration of a generation. The human lifespan is not a generation. The word generation, when used in relation to time, refers to the average time, not of one's lifespan, but of the average age of how old someone is when they have children. The children then begin a new generation. And that is generally 30 years or so. The word generation has multiple definitions and not one of them is the average human lifespan.

if you disagree, then provide some evidence to show that the word generation can refer to the average human lifespan. If you can't, then I will assume that you are just making up your own definition for a word just to make scripture fit your doctrine.

 

[Truth7t7]

The last 75 days of the two witnesses' 1260 days, they will be battling the beast-king as the abomination of desolation image of him will have been setup. Yes, those 75 days are part of the great tribulation.



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The (Two Witnesses) will be standing against (The Beast) for the entire time of 42 months that he has his seat, as you've clearly been shown

 

[Truth7t7]

Truth7t7, I suggest stop using the "3.5 years, 3 1/2 years" term, because neither term is found in the bible. I realize that you are doing conversions, and also dividing 7 years in half.

Instead, use the terms as expressed in the bible for each action. That way you will be correct and specific.

The timeframes like 1260 days and 42 months are not interchangeable, like a person would normally think. Revelation has unique reasons why not.

For example, the 42 months, a person could understandably reason 42 months x 30 days/month = 1260 days. But in Revelation, there is a reason he 42 months is not exactly 1260 days, but 1256 1/2 days. It is because the two witnesses don't depart this world until 1260 days + 3 1/2 days = 1263 1/2 days, leaving 1256 1/2 days in the 2520 days 7 years.

Therefore, the beast-king rules unimpeded for 1256 1/2 days - which in Revelation is the 42 months of Revelation 13:5.

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The way to determine what timeframe goes where is to just match the like timeframes into either the first half or second half.

first half
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

second half
3 /12 days - Revelation 11:9-11
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7

Your response is a fairy tale, the beast 42 months will be "Parallel" to the two witnesses 1260 days that is 3.5 years, read Revelation 11:18 again and again, the witnesses will be present on this earth up until the final hour of earth's existence, the "Final Judgement" takes place

Are the readers of this conversation ignorant, "Hardly"!

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

So why don't Revelation 13:5, Revelation 11:3 use the same time expression term, if they parrallel each other?

Revelation 13:5 - 42 months
Revelation 11:3 - 1260 days

The reason the two are different is that 1260 days (first half) is before the 42 months (second half).

The two time are "Parallel" as post #48 shows, you work off the false teaching of Daniel's 70th week as taught by dispensationalism "False Teaching"!

 

[Truth7t7]

Know assuredly that the elect have certainly seen what you say has not taken place.

Reformed Preterist 66-70AD fulfillment is a lie, the future generation that will witness the signs and second coming "Will Not Pass" a future generation unfulfilled!

Did Jesus come again in 66-70AD absolutely not!

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[Douggg]

Show me where this verse says that a generation equals 70 years. It says no such thing. It refers to the average human lifespan, but does not refer to it as being the duration of a generation. The human lifespan is not a generation. The word generation, when used in relation to time, refers to the average time, not of one's lifespan, but of the average age of how old someone is when they have children. The children then begin a new generation. And that is generally 30 years or so. The word generation has multiple definitions and not one of them is the average human lifespan.

Generation as used in the parable of the fig tree refers to from birth to death - because that generation will not pass away, i.e. die off - before all the things that Jesus spoke of regarding His return are fulfilled.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

The (Two Witnesses) will be standing against (The Beast) for the entire time of 42 months that he has his seat, as you've clearly been shown

You haven't shown a timeline.

Also, the end of the beast-king's 42 months is the day that Jesus returns.

The wicked men of the world will be preparing to make war on Jesus and his army at that time. No one is going to be exchanging presents and making merry over the deaths of the two witnesses for three and half days at that time.

 

[Douggg]

Your response is a fairy tale, the beast 42 months will be "Parallel" to the two witnesses 1260 days that is 3.5 years, read Revelation 11:18 again and again, the witnesses will be present on this earth up until the final hour of earth's existence, the "Final Judgement" takes place

Are the readers of this conversation ignorant, "Hardly"!

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 11:18 rewards to the prophets and sainst will be given in heaven at the bema seat of Christ, while on earth the great tribulation takes place.

 

[Douggg]

The two time are "Parallel" as post #48 shows, you work off the false teaching of Daniel's 70th week as taught by dispensationalism "False Teaching"!

No. Dispensationalism is not a study of the time frames of Revelation. Also, I am not a dispensationalist.

Dispensationalism has 7 so called dispensation periods.

1. Innocence - Eden
2. Conscience - Eden to Flood
3. Human Government - Flood to Abraham
4. Patriarchs - Abraham to Moses
5. Law - Moses to Pentecost
6. Grace - Pentecost to Kingdom
7. Millennium - Kingdom to Eternity.

 

[Truth7t7]

Generation as used in the parable of the fig tree refers to from birth to death - because that generation will not pass away, i.e. die off - before at the things that Jesus spoke of regarding His return are fulfill.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The "Future" generation that will see the signs

 

[Truth7t7]

No. Dispensationalism is not a study of the time frames of Revelation. Also, I am not a dispensationalist.

Dispensationalism has 7 so called dispensation periods.

1. Innocence - Eden
2. Conscience - Eden to Flood
3. Human Government - Flood to Abraham
4. Patriarchs - Abraham to Moses
5. Law - Moses to Pentecost
6. Grace - Pentecost to Kingdom
7. Millennium - Kingdom to Eternity.

Well thanks for the info, your response has went "Nowhere"!

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 11:18 rewards to the prophets and sainst will be given in heaven at the bema seat of Christ, while on earth the great tribulation takes place.

The Time Of The Dead That They Should Be Judged?

What Does That Mean Douggg?

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

The Time Of The Dead That They Should Be Judged?

What Does That Mean Douggg?

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Referring to Christians and saints. Judged according to what they had during their lifetime for the cause of Christ.

1Corinthians3:
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The bottom line is that each person shall be rewarded according to what they did during their life for the cause of Christ.

 

[Johan2222]

Reformed Preterist 66-70AD fulfillment is a lie

Did Jesus come again in 66-70AD absolutely not!

Agreed. Anybody who can’t see that in my opinion is in blind delusion. I have never heard so much nonsense in all my life as Preterist theory.

Still doesn’t change the fact that the elect have seen what you say has not taken place.

 

[Johan2222]

The fig tree representing Jerusalem, then 1967 (Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews) + 70 years for a generation (Psalms 90:10) = 2037 as the not later than year that Jesus will return.

If we subtract 7 years (Daniel 9:27, Ezekiel 39:9 ), we get 2037-7 years = 2030. So sometime before the end of 2030, the Gog/Magog event will take place, not later than.

So we are very close.

Who the actual persons are, i.e. the little horn/Antichrist/beast king, Gog, the false prophet - we don't yet. It may be Zelensky, Putin, the Yanuka (Rav Shlomo Yehuda).

No not Jerusalem, close.

Hosea 9:10 KJV
I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: . . .

Do you know how to acquire ears to hear?

LISTEN;

Revelation 3:18-19 KJV
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Can you still not see it?

Look here it is again;

Hebrews 5:8 KJV
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Do you know that white raiment is symbolic of obedience? Revelation 3.4-5

Can you see how to fill up your lamp now?

Luke 14:33-35 KJV
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. [34] Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? [35] It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Hebrews 12:8 KJV
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Do you know what caused the deception Douggg?

Mark 4.19

Is the solution not obvious now?

2 Timothy 2:12 KJV
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: . . .

John 12:25 KJV
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

2 Timothy 2:3 KJV
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

Proverbs 1:32 KJV
For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

Enjoying your life of prosperity Douggg?