Is it sin for a Christian to transgress the specific words in 4th Commandment [Exodus 20:8-11 KJB] in regards the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God? Yes/no please.Your conclusion still promotes the idea we say you can sin all we want. ...
Instead of no productive slurs, why not try and reason with me and tell me why what I posted is wrong?Oh, please tell the truth.
Which means there was God's Law in existence, the Ten Commandments:To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Rom5:13
Which means there was God's Law in existence, the Ten Commandments:To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Rom5:13
Which means there was God's Law in existence, the Ten Commandments:
The TEN COMMANDMENTS known from the Beginning:
Holy Spirit leads us into the truth of God's word together. A pure unity, though not all is uniformity.Goodness you nearly make the same types of studies as I do. Here is mine from a different perspective, same outcome. ...
Holy Spirit leads us into the truth of God's word together. A pure unity, though not all is uniformity.
As a PS, did you notice that the adversaries of God's Law, His Ten Commandments, especially the 4th aren't unified on their various positions? They all say something different from each other, and the only unity is in the antagonism against the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD [and possibly Ellen G White, as if what she wrote about sin came from her...].
Examples:
BobS writes "... Paul writes that indeed Jesus did put an end to the Law. ..." - [Link].
1stcenturylady writes, "... All who follow Jesus do not sin 1 John 3:9, so what laws would they be breaking? None! ..." - [Link]
Marco70 writes, "... People who relentlessly state: You must obey the TC, have little understanding of the core truth on which the Christian faith stands. The law God desires you to follow is within you, it is part of your dna, it s part of who you are. Telling people they must observe law that is in their mind and heart is pointless. And that law, is the law you sin by transgressing. ... If one wants to know which law is written on their mind and placed on their heart, the simple response is: Anything that makes you conscious you sin by doing it. ..." - [Link & Link]
drjean writes, "... I see no reason one couldn't keep Sabbath AND Sunday sacred for God though ..." - [Link]
listed writes, "... Not sinning isn't keeping the law ... Some of us here understand we've been excused from the law. ..." - [Link]
You keep tell us that the 10 commandments were not the word of the Sinai covenant. Did not God speak the words of the covenant to Moses as seen starting in EX 20 shortly after He told Moses the Israelites would be a Holy people if they kept the covenant He was about to give them? If those were not the words of the covenant please show us what the words were. You seem to be the only one that I know of that believes what you are trying to portray.We agree, with scripture [KJB], that the Sinai Covenant was 430 years after Abraham. We agree, with scripture [KJB], that the patriarchs, the forefathers, did not have the covenant that was made at Mt. Sinai with Moses and all the children of Israel.
The disagreement is in what that "covenant" at Mt. Sinai consisted of. It was not the Ten Commandments [God's "My Covenant", the Everlasting Covenant], for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob [and those before them], had those already [thus because of "transgressions" [1 John 3:4; Galatians 3:19; something else was "added" to that which already existed from the beginning]. The "covenant" that they did not have made with them, was the following:
[God] "... if ... then ..."
[peoples Israel] "... All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. ..."
'old covenant' entered into, with Moses as Mediator.
[the faulty promises that they made between themselves and God, which they failed in. It was not God's "I will ...", but their own "will".]
What Abraham, etc had was God's promises [Ten Commandments, etc] and His "I will ...", and Abraham believed by God's grace through faith unto obedience:
Genesis 3:15 KJB - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Genesis 18:19 KJB - For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of hi
Exodus 33:13 KJB - Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.Genesis 22:18 KJB - And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Genesis 26:5 KJB - Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
You keep tell us that the 10 commandments were not the word of the Sinai covenant.
Hello Bob, I do not think T7C is saying that at all. I think all he is saying from reading his posts, and I agree with the scriptures presented that God's LAW; both God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and the laws for remission of sin (sin offereings) of the OLD COVENANT were well known to God's people since Genesis.
Read the scriptures presented from God's WORD in the linked posts # 524; post # 525; post # 526; post # 527 and post # 530 for proof.
There are too many scriptures. Worth a read so check them out. God's ETERNAL LAW and the SHADOW laws existed since the beginning.
There are two covenants mentioned at Mt. Sinai, not just one.You keep tell us that the 10 commandments were not the word of the Sinai covenant. Did not God speak the words of the covenant to Moses as seen starting in EX 20 shortly after He told Moses the Israelites would be a Holy people if they kept the covenant He was about to give them? If those were not the words of the covenant please show us what the words were. You seem to be the only one that I know of that believes what you are trying to portray.
Bob said
Acts 18:4 "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and gentiles gathered in the synagogue to hear Gospel preaching - and as they heard they were believing -- yet still meeting "every Sabbath
More than likley by standing outside the synagogue and listening wouldn't you say? Don't suppose itwas being broadcast do you? When the apostles came out of the synagogue they were pressed to continue to be taught the next Sabbath... why the next Sabbath?
Hello JBL, all your questions have been answered with a lot of scripture in this summary post linked below.
Follow the links in all the posts for detailed scriptures and answers to all your questions here.
You choose not to believe God's WORD. This is between you and God.
If you disagree with the posts and scripture sent you explain why you disagree and respond to all the posts and scriptures in them that disagree with your teaching.
Ingoring God's WORD only shows your in error.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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