God's TEN commandments: Bend or Edit them?

[Sophrosyne]

If you are going to keep the "law"..there are more than 10..ask any Orthodox Jew.

I would love for an Orthodox Jew to take them to the cleaners over the Law but they aren't allowed to post in here.

 

[Cribstyl]

I would love for an Orthodox Jew to take them to the cleaners over the Law but they aren't allowed to post in here.

Cults dont care what outsiders have to say about anything. The more opposition the more they validate their fears.

 

[BobRyan]

If you are going to keep the "law"..there are more than 10..ask any Orthodox Jew.

A number of groups know that the TEN commandments began in Eden and that they apply to the saints - still to this very day.


The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson
The Catholic Church
Seventh-day Baptists.
Seventh-day Adventists

That includes accepting the Bible fact that the SEVENTH day Sabbath began in Eden kept by mankind from the very start even if some of them claim some sort of edit occurs sometime after the cross.

However some look at that list and respond

Cults dont care what outsiders have to say about anything.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Cribstyl]

A number of groups know that the TEN commandments began in Eden and that they apply to the saints - still to this very day.


The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson
The Catholic Church
Seventh-day Baptists.
Seventh-day Adventists

That includes accepting the Bible fact that the SEVENTH day Sabbath began in Eden kept by mankind from the very start even if some of them claim some sort of edit occurs sometime after the cross.

However some look at that list and respond



in Christ,

Bob

Repeating these claims does not make them biblical truth. They all stemmed the Catholic Church and Calvinism claims. The bottom line is, whatever the bible says is what we should believe.
What about Willaim Miller, did he not confessed that he was in error?
Did Miller accept the sabbath truth as comming from God or from the fanatics who infiltrated his group?
What about Ellen White, did she not claim that Miller's error about the comming of Christ was not error?

Tell us why you believe that judgment unto salvation or hell began in 1844?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Cults dont care what outsiders have to say about anything. The more opposition the more they validate their fears.

Yup... persecution complex... it is ironic that they take in mind that a minority of believers would be correct in doctrine that comes from a person and not the Bible itself.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Repeating these claims does not make them biblical truth. They all stemmed the Catholic Church and Calvinism claims. The bottom line is, whatever the bible says is what we should believe.
What about Willaim Miller, did he not confessed that he was in error?
Did Miller accept the sabbath truth as comming from God or from the fanatics who infiltrated his group?
What about Ellen White, did she not claim that Miller's error about the comming of Christ was not error?

Tell us why you believe that judgment unto salvation or hell began in 1844?

That is a different can of worms for sure... big enough to catch a whale.
If you were to go step by step and prove him wrong about each one of his celebrities he wouldn't admit he was wrong nor would he stop posting the same cut and paste stuff proclaiming these folks support his side of the coin either..... he would still continue to post it another 150 times or more. I don't waste my time I just stick to Paul and he destroys Adventism upon Gentile believers.

 

[Cribstyl]

That is a different can of worms for sure... big enough to catch a whale.
If you were to go step by step and prove him wrong about each one of his celebrities he wouldn't admit he was wrong nor would he stop posting the same cut and paste stuff proclaiming these folks support his side of the coin either..... he would still continue to post it another 150 times or more. I don't waste my time I just stick to Paul and he destroys Adventism upon Gentile believers.

His methods has been cultivated from the founders of Adventism.
They're quick to export partial quotes from historical sources that dont even agree with their church's beliefs.

 

[BobRyan]

A number of groups know that the TEN commandments began in Eden and that they apply to the saints - still to this very day.


The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson
The Catholic Church
Seventh-day Baptists.
Seventh-day Adventists

That includes accepting the Bible fact that the SEVENTH day Sabbath began in Eden kept by mankind from the very start even if some of them claim some sort of edit occurs sometime after the cross.

However some look at that list and respond

Repeating these claims does not make them biblical truth. They all stemmed the Catholic Church and Calvinism claims. The bottom line is, whatever the bible says is what we should believe.
What about Willaim Miller, did he not confessed that he was in error?
Did Miller accept the sabbath truth as comming from God or from the fanatics

the point of the post above about the "Baptist Confession of Faith" is to end the short-sighted argument that if you oppose the TEN commandments - Seventh-day Adventists are the only ones that will "notice a problem".

My point is that a number of even sunday-keeping sources have admitted that the Ten Commandments have applied to the saints from Eden to this very day.

This has nothing to do with the Baptist preacher William Miller - none of the sources listed first asked William Miller if it was really true that the TEN Commandments are the LAW of God that still applies to the saints today.

The issue far transcends his day.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

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If you were to go step by step and prove him wrong about each one of his celebrities .

Having not done any of the actual math you claim victory as if you had vigorously demonstrated your point to have substance in fact.

Who is supposed to fall for that??? me?

I doubt that even you believe that you have gone to any of these source documents (freely available online to you) and done enough home work to make your point stick - so you state it as a hypothetical.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Cults dont care what outsiders have to say about anything. The more opposition the more they validate their fears.

QFT

 

[from scratch]

A number of groups know that the TEN commandments began in Eden and that they apply to the saints - still to this very day.

A number of groups say such things directly opposing Moses.

The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Please notice I didn't need to quote Paul on the issue.

 

[from scratch]

A number of groups know that the TEN commandments began in Eden and that they apply to the saints - still to this very day.


The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson
The Catholic Church
Seventh-day Baptists.
Seventh-day Adventists

That includes accepting the Bible fact that the SEVENTH day Sabbath began in Eden kept by mankind from the very start even if some of them claim some sort of edit occurs sometime after the cross.

However some look at that list and respond




the point of the post above about the "Baptist Confession of Faith" is to end the short-sighted argument that if you oppose the TEN commandments - Seventh-day Adventists are the only ones that will "notice a problem".

My point is that a number of even sunday-keeping sources have admitted that the Ten Commandments have applied to the saints from Eden to this very day.

This has nothing to do with the Baptist preacher William Miller - none of the sources listed first asked William Miller if it was really true that the TEN Commandments are the LAW of God that still applies to the saints today.

The issue far transcends his day.

in Christ,

Bob

I notice you haven't responded to bugkiller's response to them. Why? He quoted the same people.

 

[Sophrosyne]

His methods has been cultivated from the founders of Adventism.
They're quick to export partial quotes from historical sources that dont even agree with their church's beliefs.

Yup... like saying keeping the Sabbath is church on Sunday I think Moody said that.

 

[from scratch]

Having not done any of the actual math you claim victory as if you had vigorously demonstrated your point to have substance in fact.

Who is supposed to fall for that??? me?

I doubt that even you believe that you have gone to any of these source documents (freely available online to you) and done enough home work to make your point stick - so you state it as a hypothetical.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader.

in Christ,

Bob

Bugkiller did and you have offered anything in response. Why would it make any difference if others did the same?

 

[maco]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7803092/

 

[Sophrosyne]

Having not done any of the actual math you claim victory as if you had vigorously demonstrated your point to have substance in fact.

Who is supposed to fall for that??? me?

I doubt that even you believe that you have gone to any of these source documents (freely available online to you) and done enough home work to make your point stick - so you state it as a hypothetical.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader.

in Christ,

Bob

The text in red shows it all. You couldn't care less about people here debating you, you are only here to promote/preach/teach and your methods of spamming approach that of those used to brainwash people in that if you can repeat the same thing enough times you think people will believe it.
The problem with repetition is that it annoys people who are intellectually seeking the truth they see you as having very little to offer but canned spam for a meal.

 

[BobRyan]

Bugkiller did and you have offered anything in response. Why would it make any difference if others did the same?

In the BugKiller debate there are many pages of response proving the point I made beyond all doubt-- did you want them all posted here??

In fact I don't think BugKiller was able at all to refute the Baptist Confession of Faith or the Westminster Confession of Faith. Which may explain why folks here are avoiding these documents at all costs.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by Sophrosyne

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If you were to go step by step and prove him wrong about each one of his celebrities .
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Having not done any of the actual math you claim victory as if you had vigorously demonstrated your point to have substance in fact.

Who is supposed to fall for that??? me?

I doubt that even you believe that you have gone to any of these source documents (freely available online to you) and done enough home work to make your point stick - so you state it as a hypothetical.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader.

The text in red shows it all. You couldn't care less about people here debating you, you are only here to promote/preach/teach and your methods of spamming l.

I prefer Bible details to the nothing-but-vitriol or acrimony solution that some have tried out recently.

In your post you suggested a hypothetical scenario where you would actually look at the statements from the sources quoted and deal with the subject.

Then you went on to imagine the results.

But in real life - I am posting those statements and those sources. So if someone would care to join me in real life -- looking at the arguments and the topic and responding -- i welcome it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I think this thread should also move to the Sabbath - and the Law discussion board.

 

[BobRyan]

Here is an example of one of the "bend the commandment" but do not get rid of it - arguments.

=============================== D.L. Moody sermon on the TEN Commandments

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]
HOW TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]"Sabbath" means "rest," and the meaning of the word gives a hint as to the true way to observe the day. God rested after creation, and ordained the Sabbath as a rest for man. He blessed it and hallowed it. Remember the rest-day to keep it holy.[/FONT]

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