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God's Sabbath rest is not a weekly seventh day rest

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by Doveaman, Jul 9, 2017.

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  1. stuart lawrence

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    Indeed. Paul did refer to the TC directly in 2cor ch3. He said they were the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation.
    Which means, if you preach:
    you must obey the TC
    you cannot practice what you preach
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi 1stcentuarylady,

    The context of the scripture you quoted is as follow is in relation to SIN.

    1 John 3:4-10,
    4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
    7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

    How does God's Word define sin?

    1 John 3:4

    Sin = transgression of God's Law (10 commandments) context murder v 12.

    1. Exo 20:3, Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    EXAMPLE OF SIN;

    Judges 10:10, And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, saying, We have sinned against thee, both because we have forsaken our God, and also served Baalim.

    2. Exo 20:4-5, Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

    EXAMPLE OF SIN;

    Jer 16:18, I will first doubly repay their iniquity and their sin, because they have polluted My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable idols and with their abominations.

    3. Exo 20:7,Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    EXAMPLE OF SIN; (Professing God's name and not following him)
    Mat 15:3-9, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    4. Exo 20:8-11, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    EXAMPLE OF SIN;
    Ex 35:2, Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)

    5. Exo 20:12, Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God gives thee.

    EXAMPLE COMMANDMENT;

    Eph 6:1-3, "Honor your father and mother." This is the first commandment with a promise:

    6. Exo 20:13, Thou shalt not kill.

    EXAMPLE OF SIN;

    2Sam 12:9;13, Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon; David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die

    7. Exo 20:14, Thou shalt not commit adultery.

    EXAMPLE OF SIN;
    Lev 20:10, If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)

    8 Exo 20:15,
    Thou shalt not steal.
    9. Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie) against thy neighbour.

    EXAMPLE OF SIN;

    Lev 6:2-4, If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbor in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbor; Or have found that which was lost, and lies concerning it, and swears falsely; in any of all these that a man does, sinning therein: Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found

    10. Exo 20:17, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

    EXAMPLE OF SIN;
    Isa 57:17,
    For the iniquity (SIN) of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. Eph 5:5, For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

    1 John 3:4 "SIN is the transgression of God's Law"
    Ezekiel 18:4 "the soul that sins, it shall die."
    Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death;"
    Romans 8:13 "For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die:"

    James 2:8-12,
    8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
    9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

    Sunday Worship is a man made teaching and tradition of man over the Word of God. There is no scripture in God's Word that tells us to keep it over God's 7th Day Sabbath. If you want to keep it over God's Word, this is between you and God. I do not judge you. The Word will Judge us in the last days.

    In Christ!
     
  3. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    One thing James says is if you break one commandment, like adultery, but you do kill, then you are guilty of all. So those who preach do not take God's name in vain, but bear false witness on the forum are guilty of all.
     
  4. stuart lawrence

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    Do you claim to be sinless in your flesh?
    If not, according to your quote are you of the devil and do not know Christ?
     
  5. stuart lawrence

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    Absolutely. Unless you are sinless/ never commit sin, according to James2:10 you are guilty of breaking the WHOLE law​
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    No it does not it is the ministration of death because it points out sin and the wages of sin is death.

    Romans 3:20
    Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    1 John 3:4
    Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Romans 6:23
    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    In Christ!
     
  7. stuart lawrence

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    Paul states the law written on stone was the letter that kills/ the ministry of death and condemnation. He stated that for no one could faultlessly keep it.
    The legalistic law pointed out sin, but that wasn't the letter that killed, for that law could be faultlessly obeyed( phil3:6)
    And it could be faultlessly obeyed by people who did not know God!
     
  8. Bob S

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    There it is folks, the big "BUT".

    It seems you cannot see the forest because of all the trees. Loving others as Jesus loves us contains all of the laws concerning morality. The 10 commandments contained only 9 ways we can harm our fellow man. Gal 5 lists some more ways and that ain't all my friend. Why you are so hung up thinking the 10 are the epitome of the immoral things man can do to each other boggles my mind. Sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies are a few that Paul mentioned.

    Where is the 10?

    So, it isn't a sin to be a drunkard? I don't see anything about that in the 10. I can be sexually immoral just as long as it isn't adultery. Oh boy orgies , that would be interesting. Can't get me on that one cause it ain't in the 10. :)

    Isn't it a sin to add to scripture? Where is it that tells us the 10 are what is written on the hearts of believers? 2Cor 3:7-11 certainly does tell us the 10 WERE temporary. Better bone up my friend. You have no idea who you might be influencing with false statements.

    Scripture please, I know of no such command to observe the now defunct old covenant and only for Israel Sabbath. Where there is no law there is no sin. The remainder of the 10 are part of the law of love.



    No law no sin. The Sabbath was given to Israel only. God has never given it to any other people on Earth.


    What law?

    Jesus was teaching those, who like Him, were under the law. The law ended at Calvary. We cannot be under two different covenants at the same time.

    Hope this is helpful,

    In Christ!
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    The flesh is sinful I do not walk after it. I walk after the Spirit (please read Romans chapters 6-8)

    In Christ Always!
     
  10. stuart lawrence

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    Do you claim to be sinless in your flesh?
    A simple yes or no will suffice
     
  11. 1stcenturylady

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    Yes, the question is about sin. But 1 John 3:9 says a born again Christian does not sin - in fact, he cannot sin because he is born of God.

    So seeing as sinning is transgression of the law, but we don't sin, why do we need commandments we don't break?

    1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin."

    We do not commit any willful sin while we walk in the Spirit, therefore any unintentional sin we may commit is automatically cleansed by the blood of Jesus. Why? Because He is then our Advocate.

    Romans 6:2 How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

    Romans 8:8-9 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

    This takes us full circle back to 1 John 3:9 and the reason we do not sin - we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit IF we have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in us.

    Many go to church for decades and have never received the baptism of the Holy Spirit to have the Holy Spirit making us dead to sin. It takes crying out to God to cleanse us of all sin, and to fill us with His Spirit. If you mean it, He will do it.
     
  12. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    He did. He said he doesn't walk after the flesh. Maybe you were writing as he was posting. LOL
     
  13. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    yes, I do too.

    Before I was Spirit-filled I was SDA in my youth. Imagine my surprise when I met SDA's who were also Spirit-filled, even though they didn't believe in speaking in tongues.
     
  14. stuart lawrence

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    So he claims to faultlessly obey the law the Bible terms the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. And he claims to faultlessly love all those he comes into contact with, including those who may malign, persecute, hate or mistreat him.
    Flee such people, it's just empty words.
    No love for your neighbour in that. Just crushing them with impossible demands you yourself do not even try to keep.
    If you don't love your neighbour you can't obey the law. You are guilty and condemned, if you believe you must obey the law to be in a saved state
     
  15. 1stcenturylady

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    Come on now. He's one of the sweetest guys on the forums!
     
  16. stuart lawrence

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    Wolves come in sheep's clothing.
    He states you must obey the TC to remain in a saved state. Which, whether he admits it or not, is being justified/ righteous before God by observing the law. That contradicts Pauls core gospel message. He cannot practice what he preaches. But he can crush the humble and sincere, who may mistakenly believe he does practice what he preaches.
    As you know, Jesus reserved his harshest words for the religious who did not practice what they preached/ demanded of others
     
  17. 1stcenturylady

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    It does not go hand in hand that someone who preaches against keeping the ceremonial laws, circumcision and sacrifices, but DOES preach the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath are hypocrites. I've met Spirit-filled SDA's. And Romans 14 says God honors those who keep the day, and those who keep everyday. We can't judge them, even though they are taught to judge us.
     
  18. 1stcenturylady

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    But, he's not breaking the Ten Commandments, and he is a loving person. I will honor any Christian who practices what they preach. And I know you will too.
     
  19. stuart lawrence

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    How do you know if he has any impure thoughts?
    How do you know if he ever looks at a woman with lust in his eye?
    How do you know if he ever gets angry with his brother?
    How do you know if he ever fails to put God first in his life, or love Him perfectly without ceasing above all else?
    How do you know if he builds any graven images in his mind?
    Love thy neighbour as thyself supercedes nine of the TC. How do you know that he faultlessly obeys that commandment?
     
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  20. stuart lawrence

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    I trust Pauls words over peoples claims on the internet.
    The TC are the letter that kills. The ministry of death and condemnation.
    They wouldn't be, if you could perfectly obey them!
     
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