God's Sabbath rest is not a weekly seventh day rest

[Steve Petersen]

We do not live by obedience to the old covenant law, but by faith in Jesus Christ: "For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath....Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed" -- (Romans 4:14-16).
But that is precisely the point.
Why would you want to be under a law that condemns the world?
It is for this very reason that God got rid of the old covenant letter of the law, it is because the old covenant law condemns the world and God does not want the world to be condemned:

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?" -- (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

The old covenant law of Ten Commandments, which was engraved in letters on stone, only brought death, and this is the very reason the old covenant law was made obsolete: "By calling this covenant "new," He has made the first one obsolete." -- (Hebrews 8:13).
A better translation would be: “Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.” -- (1 John 3:4 - NKJV).

Sin is not merely the transgression of the letter of the law. Sin existed in the world long before the letter of the law was given: “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned – for before the law was given, sin was in the world.” -- (Romans 5:12-13).

Sin was in the world through Satan and through Adam before the letter of law was given. So sin cannot merely be the transgression of a law that came after the sin. The letter of the law was given to the Jews to reveal the knowledge of the sin that was already in the world:

“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law, for through the law is the knowledge of sin…Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law.’” -- (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7).

The purpose of the letter of the law was to reveal the knowledge of sin which was already in the world. Therefore, sin is not merely the transgression of the law since sin existed long before the letter of the law was given.
Love is the fulfillment God’s eternal law: “Whatever other commandment there may be, are all summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” -- (Romans 13:9-10).

The reason we do not take God’s name in vein is because we love God, and not merely because we are trying to obey a law. The command not to take God’s name in vein is fulfilled through our love for God, because love is the fulfillment of the law, even for those who do not have the letter of the law:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

The requirements of the law is love. Gentiles who have love are fulfilling the requirements of God’s eternal law, even though they do not have the letter of the law.
What do you mean "UNCHANGED"?

I think you are misrepresenting both Hebrews and Jeremiah’s writings:

“For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for a second. But God found fault with the people and said: ‘The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt’” -- (Hebrews 8:7-9).

Hebrews and Jeremiah is telling us that the new covenant “will not be like” the old covenant that was made with the forefathers who came out of Egypt. So you are misrepresenting both Hebrews and Jeremiah when you say “it is UNCHANGED”.
Paul in Ephesians 6:2-3 is not encouraging old covenant law keeping. Paul is simply emphasizing the importance of honoring our parents under the new covenant, just as it was important to do so under the old covenant. We honor our parents because we love them, and not merely because we are trying to keep a law.
That’s correct. And those who love God will not sin by taking His name in vein, because our love for God overcomes the sin, even without the law:

“The fruit of the Spirit is love...against such there is no law.” -- (Galatians 5:22-23).

Those who are governed by love have no need for the letter of the law, because “love is the fulfillment of the law.” -- (Romans 13:8-10).

Traditional Christian interpretation of the texts with no reference to historical/cultural context. Bible onlyism.

 

[Doveaman]

Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit that the Ten Commandments are included in what is written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33

Not all pro-Sunday scholars have an adequate understanding of the old and new covenants.

"I will write My LAW on their heart and mind".

God's law is written in our hearts and minds in the same way that it is written in the hearts and minds of Gentiles who do not have the letter of the law:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

The requirements of the law is love. Gentiles who have love are showing the requirements of the law written in their hearts, even though they do not have, and never had, the letter of the law.

If, as Paul said, the Gentiles never had the letter of the law, then how are they able to fulfill the requirements of it?

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit that the Ten Commandments are included in what is written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33

Not all pro-Sunday scholars have an adequate understanding of the old and new covenants.

Maybe one or two confused on that point - but I am not talking about one or two --

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians is included in the "LAW of God" written on the heart under the NEW covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)

 

[BobRyan]

God's law is written in our hearts and minds in the same way that it is written in the hearts and minds of Gentiles who do not have the letter of the law:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.

I think we all agree on that.

"To him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4.

We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.

Again - we all already know this.

 

[bugkiller]

Yup Doveaman. Now alls we gotta do is see how God rested from His own works and then do the same

HEBREWS 4 [4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works

Yup. God rested the 7th day. The sabbath. Pretty simple

For me it is simple. Just accept what God gave me.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Wonder why it doesn't say God rested on the sabbath?

Now there is a good question.

bugkiller

 

[Doveaman]

Dang you're excellent.

Are you still employed/working or are you retired/obsolete?

Love it!

 

[Doveaman]

God rested the 7th day. The sabbath. Pretty simple

Wonder why it doesn't say God rested on the sabbath?

Good observation.

The 7th day is not the Sabbath, just as independence day is not independence.

 

[Doveaman]

GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

If what you say is true why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments?

Exactly where does it say that Abraham kept the "10" Commandments?

You keep adding the number "10" to God's word:

"Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar"..."I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." -- (Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18).

 

[Doveaman]

Traditional Christian interpretation of the texts with no reference to historical/cultural context. Bible onlyism.

The historical/cultural context is found in the Bible only.

 

[listed]

The "old Covenant" is of the form "Obey and live" -- it is the LAW of God still-condemning the entire world as Romans 3:19-20 points out. To this very day. For all have sinned according to the LAW of God.

and.... "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - EVEN in the NT.

Hence it is "still sin" to take God's name in vain.

Obviously.

But the NEW covenant of Jer 31:31-33 says that God takes that same LAW and "Writes it on the heart and mind" -- Hebrews 8:6-10 points out that it is UNCHANGED since the time that Jeremiah wrote it.

And what "LAW" of God did Jeremiah and his readers know about? (Exegesis is king) -- That LAW includes the God's Commandments - God's TEN Commandments.

Paul points this out in Romans 7 but very specifically in Eph 6:2 where we are reminded that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment" in that still-valid unit of TEN - "with a promise"

Bottom line -- it is "still" a sin to take God's name in vain.

Since I have no desire to keep the sabbath, you must be saying God's law isn't written on my heart. That means you are really saying I'm not a Christian.

 

[listed]

Not all pro-Sunday scholars have an adequate understanding of the old and new covenants.
God's law is written in our hearts and minds in the same way that it is written in the hearts and minds of Gentiles who do not have the letter of the law:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

The requirements of the law is love. Gentiles who have love are showing the requirements of the law written in their hearts, even though they do not have, and never had, the letter of the law.

If, as Paul said, the Gentiles never had the letter of the law, then how are they able to fulfill the requirements of it?

Yet none of them kept the sabbath. Proof is Acts 15,Romans 14 and Colossians 2.

 

[listed]

Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.

I think we all agree on that.

"To him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4.

We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.

Again - we all already know this.

You should listen to your own preaching.

 

[listed]

For me it is simple. Just accept what God gave me.

bugkiller

Amen, brother.

 

[Doveaman]

Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.

I think we all agree on that.

"To him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4.

What about him that does not know to do right and does not do it - is it still a sin?

We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.

Again - we all already know this.

I noticed that you avoided answering the question in my previous post.

Here it is again:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

If, as Paul said, the Gentiles never had the letter of the law, then how are they able to fulfill the requirements of the law?

 

[listed]

Exactly where does it say that Abraham kept the "10" Commandments?

You keep adding the number "10" to God's word:

"Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar"..."I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." -- (Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18).

Those verses have no meaning to him.

 

[Doveaman]

Yup Doveaman. Now alls we gotta do is see how God rested from His own works and then do the same

I agree.

HEBREWS 4 [4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works

So how exactly did God rest from all His works?

Was it a temporary 24 hour day of rest, or was it a permanent, ongoing state of rest?

Did God go back to His original works on Sunday or on Monday after the 7th day ended?

The Bible says He did not: "For we who have believed do enter that rest...although His works were finished since the creation of the world." -- (Hebrews 4:3).

God's works were finished since the creation of the world, so God did not go back to His original works when the 7th day ended.

The letter of the law required a return to work whenever the 7th day ended: "Six days you shall labor and do all your work" (Exodus 20:9). Therefore, God's Sabbath rest was not according to the letter of the law.

Yup. God rested the 7th day. The sabbath. Pretty simple

That's the simple interpretation, but not the correct explanation.

The 7th day is not God's Sabbath rest, just as independence day is not independence.

Independence in the USA occurred on the 4th day of July, 1776, and independence in the USA continued permanently to this very day. The 4th day of July was then observed by Americans every year as a memorial/shadow celebrating the permanent reality of their independence.

God's Sabbath rest occurred on the 7th day of creation week, and God's Sabbath rest continued permanently to this very day. The 7th day was then observed by the Jews every week as a memorial/shadow celebrating the permanent reality of God's Sabbath rest.

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink...or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." -- (Colossians 2:16-17).

The reality of God's Sabbath rest is a permanent state of rest, and not a temporary day of rest. When we enter God Sabbath rest we permanently cease from our own works, just as God permanently ceased from His: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own works, just as God did from His." -- (Hebrews 4:9-10).

When we enter God Sabbath rest we permanently cease from our fleshly works of human nature, just as God permanently ceased from His physical works of creation.

“Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from Me…and you will find rest for your souls. ” -- (Matthew 11:28-29).

 

[BobRyan]

God's law is written in our hearts and minds in the same way that it is written in the hearts and minds of Gentiles who do not have the letter of the law:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.

I think we all agree on that.

"To him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4.

We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.

Again - we all already know this.

What about him that does not know to do right and does not do it - is it still a sin?

That was what THIS was for in my previous post "Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea."

I noticed that you avoided answering the question in my previous post.

Here it is again:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

If, as Paul said, the Gentiles never had the letter of the law, then how are they able to fulfill the requirements of the law?

Paul is speaking about gentiles who have no access to scripture. As I point out - we who do have access to it -- cannot retrofit outselves back to the level of those who do not.

hence this comment that addresses the point "Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea."

If you keep sidestepping that response to re-ask the same question - then that response that addresses it -- gets posted "again" -

 

[BobRyan]

WailingWall said: ↑
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

If what you say is true why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments?

Exactly where does it say that Abraham kept the "10" Commandments?
.

Where does the Bible say that God's Ten Commandments were removed from His Law??

Christ's argument to the contrary --
Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Eph 6:2 -- specifically - the TEN Commandments.

Matt 19 "keep the Commandments... which ones?" and then came the answer right out of the scriptures -- the commandments of God.

 

[WailingWall]

I don't see a 10 in that verse.
It seems to me that every time you see "commandments" you automatically assume a 10 is missing, and then you go ahead and stick a 10 in there , even though the verse does not say 10.

LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.

MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Do you see all those "thou shalt nots". Again the 10 commandments. Everywhere in the new testament where you find the word "commandments" youll find its been translated from the greek word "entole"