God's Order of Salvation

[David Lamb]

Are you saying faithfulness is different from faith? Think of faith as the seed, and faithfulness as the nurturing and growth of that seed through consistent actions and loyalty.

Yes, faithfulness means "steadfast in affection or allegiance". Such faithfulness is indeed a fruit, and I like your suggestion of faith being the seed of the tree or plant that bears the fruit.

 

[Brightfame52]

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Faith is a gift that God give ever person at birth, unless a person is born with some type of birth defect that inhibits them to be able to exercise the act of belief in their life.

Faith is used in daily life by all people all over the earth.

What makes the belief/ faith special used in receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation. Is not they have been given a special type of belief/faith, but it is the object of their belief Jesus and God's promised that all who believe in Jesus receives God's free gift of Eternal Life.

As this believe requires not other action besides simply believing God at His promise/word. The belief does not require repentance, baptism, a life time of obedience, saying a prayer, a commitment to follow Jesus, confessing Jesus as Lord, etc..........

Faith as to Salvation isnt given to all men at birth, nobody has salvation Faith by birth but are born into disobedience and unbelief.

 

[Diamond72]

Faith as to Salvation isnt given to all men at birth, nobody has salvation Faith by birth but are born into disobedience and unbelief.

Our name is written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13 8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

The Bible, esp David and Revelation talk about names that are blotted out of the book of life. Psalms 69:28 "May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous."

Revelation 3:5
Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels.

2Peter3:9

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting (willing) anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Diamond72

Our name is written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13 8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Not everyone Rev 13:8


And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[d taylor]

Faith as to Salvation isnt given to all men at birth, nobody has salvation Faith by birth but are born into disobedience and unbelief.

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Never said anyone is born with salvation. But every person is born with the ability to believe in something or to have faith in something.

 

[Brightfame52]

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Never said anyone is born with salvation. But every person is born with the ability to believe in something or to have faith in something.

No one is born with faith that has to do with salvation. No one is born with the ability to believe on Christ, Jesus made that clear Jn 6:44

 

[d taylor]

No one is born with faith that has to do with salvation. No one is born with the ability to believe on Christ, Jesus made that clear Jn 6:44

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Faith is faith there is no such thing as salvation faith.

 

[Diamond72]

Not everyone Rev 13:8


And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This could go either way. If their name is blotted out then it is not written (anymore) in the Lambs book of life.

 

[Diamond72]

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Faith is faith there is no such thing as salvation faith.

Is there a difference between salvation and being saved?

Ephesians 2:8
"God saved you through faith as an act of kindness."

 

[d taylor]

Is there a difference between salvation and being saved?

Ephesians 2:8
"God saved you through faith as an act of kindness."

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Yes, salvation in The Bible does not always mean salvation from going to the lake of fire.

 

[David Lamb]

Is there a difference between salvation and being saved?

Ephesians 2:8
"God saved you through faith as an act of kindness."

Like the English words "saved" and "salvation", I understand that the Greek words which the two English words translate are related to each other. I would say that salvation is the name given to being saved.

 

[Brightfame52]

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Faith is faith there is no such thing as salvation faith.

Thats in your world

 

[Brightfame52]

This could go either way. If their name is blotted out then it is not written (anymore) in the Lambs book of life.

No, they were never written Rev 17:8

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

You in error

 

[Diamond72]

No, they were never written Rev 17:8

Your passage does not say "never". Only that their name is not in the Lambs book of life. So what does Revelation 3 15 mean "I will in no way blot his name out"? We were always told that God's pencil does not have an eraser because He does not make mistakes. 2 peter 3 9 says that God does: "not wanting anyone to perish". He wants everyone to be saved. Still we have choice and we decide if we want to be saved or not.

 

[d taylor]

Thats in your world

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Spiritual deadness (e.g., Eph 2:1-5) means that one lacks everlasting life. Spiritual deadness does not mean, as Calvinist believe, that the spiritually dead are incapable of believing anything God says and incapable of responding to Him. Think about it. Do you know of any unbelievers who believe that God exists? Do they believe that Jesus did many miracles and that He died on the cross for our sins and rose again? I bet you know a lot of unbelievers like that. They may be Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc.

Do those unbelievers believe some Biblical truths? Yes. Well, if Calvinism were true, that would be impossible. According to the Calvinist view of spiritual deadness, the unregenerate can’t believe anything taught in the Bible without the gift of faith.

Rest of the written article is here If Unbelievers Actually Believe, Then Isn’t There Room for Them to Boast? – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[Diamond72]

Do they believe that Jesus did many miracles and that He died on the cross for our sins and rose again? I bet you know a lot of unbelievers like that.

No one is born with that knowledge. They have to learn it somewhere along the way. I was 26 before I knew anything at all about the Bible. I had read some of it when I was a around 18 but did not understand any of it.

We need to pray and ask the Holy Spirit of God to help us understand the Written Word of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

Your passage does not say "never". Only that their name is not in the Lambs book of life. So what does Revelation 3 15 mean "I will in no way blot his name out"? We were always told that God's pencil does not have an eraser because He does not make mistakes. 2 peter 3 9 says that God does: "not wanting anyone to perish". He wants everyone to be saved. Still we have choice and we decide if we want to be saved or not.

It means never.

 

[d taylor]

No one is born with that knowledge. They have to learn it somewhere along the way. I was 26 before I knew anything at all about the Bible. I had read some of it when I was a around 18 but did not understand any of it.

We need to pray and ask the Holy Spirit of God to help us understand the Written Word of God.

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You are completely missing what the article is saying.

The article is addressing the person who has Bible knowledge and a member of a church. But has never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. They are trusting in actions they are doing for salvation and not Jesus.

 

[Diamond72]

Do you know of any unbelievers who believe that God exists?

I tend to think that God weighs us on a scale and the good has to be greater than the evil.

Daniel 5 27 "Tekel: You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting."

Job 31:6
"let God weigh me with honest scales, that He may know my integrity."

1 Corinthians 3:13
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

[d taylor]

I tend to think that God weighs us on a scale and the good has to be greater than the evil.

Daniel 5 27 "Tekel: You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting."

Job 31:6
"let God weigh me with honest scales, that He may know my integrity."

1 Corinthians 3:13
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

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A person has either believed in Jesus or they have not. Works play no part in determining if a person has or has not believed in Jesus.

When a person believes in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation. They immediately cross over from death to life and will not come into judgment.

1 Corinthians 3:13 is addressing the bema seat judgment of The Messiah where Jesus judges the believer for rewards to determine what they gained or lost while living out their earthly life.