GOD'S LAW AND THE SABBATH AND FOLLOWING MAN MADE TRADTIONS?

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And what does all of that have to do with the fact that Christians were worshiping on the first day of the week long before Constantine or the RCC was formed?

Neither Jewish or Gentile Christians are bound by the law of the Old Covenant. If the law could save us, there would be no need for Christ's death on the cross. Christ fulfilled the purpose of the Old Covenant law and we are now under his New Covenant of grace. The OT points to it and the NT confirms it. Nothing is contradicted. Romans 11 is a confirmation that salvation is and always was intended for everyone, Jews and Gentiles alike, and it's by grace, not by works of law, that we are saved.
 
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Hi all,

Please forgive my slow posts. I have been a little busy with other things at the moment I will try and catch up with everyone as I have time. Noticed some were interested in some of the history of the Sabbath and found this which may be useful and includes all the historical references.......

The Watering Down of the Sabbath in the First 300 Years
The Christians during the apostolic era, from about 35 to 100 A.D., kept Sabbath on the designated seventh day of the week. For the first 300 years of Christian history, when the Roman emperors regarded themselves as gods, Christianity became an “illegal religion,” and God’s people were scattered abroad (Acts 8:1). Judaism, however, was regarded at that time as “legal,” as long as they obeyed Roman laws. Thus, during the apostolic era, Christians found it convenient to let the Roman authorities think of them as Jews, which gained them legitimacy with the Roman government. However, when the Jews rebelled against Rome, the Romans put down their rebellion by destroying Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and again in A.D. 135. Obviously, the Roman government’s suppression of the Jews made it increasingly uncomfortable for Christians to be thought of as Jewish. At that time, Sunday was the rest day of the Roman Empire, whose religion was Mithraism, a form of sun worship. Since Sabbath observance is visible to others, some Christians in the early second century sought to distance themselves from Judaism by observing a different day, thus “blending in” to the society around them. During the Empire-wide Christian persecutions under Nero, Maximin, Diocletian, and Galerius, Sabbath-keeping Christians were hunted down, tortured, and, for sport, often used for entertainment in the Colisseum. (Persecution in the early Church by E. A. RYAN, SJ. p 310-339)

TO WHAT EXTENT WAS THE SABBATH OBSERVED AS A SACRED DAY OF WORSHIP BY EARLY CHRISTIANS?

There are many historical references out there. Kenneth A. Strand provides very convincing historical evidence that, although in Rome and Alexandria the trend was to replace weekly Sabbath worship with Sunday worship services, elsewhere in the Roman Empire the Sabbath was observed along with Sunday until the fifth century.

Strand writes: "The situation in Rome and Alexandria, however, was not typical of the rest of early Christianity. In these two cities there was an evident early attempt by Christians to terminate observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, but elsewhere throughout the Christian world Sunday observance simply arose alongside observance of Saturday."(23)

The evidence Strand presents is very impressive. Some of it is given here:

1. Two fifth-century church historians, Socrates Scholasticus and Sozomen:
"For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [the Lord's Supper] on the sabbath [Saturday] of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this. The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebais, hold their religious assemblies on the sabbath, but do not participate of the mysteries in the manner usual among Christians in general: for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries."(24)

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria. There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usage established elsewhere, the people meet together on Sabbath evenings, and, although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries."(25)

Strand comments: "Thus, even as late as the fifth century almost the entire Christian world observed both Saturday and Sunday for special religious services. Obviously, therefore, Sunday was not considered a substitute for the Sabbath."(26)

2. In the late second or early third century, Origen, the famous Alexandrian Church Father wrote of the proper kind of Sabbath observance:
"Forsaking therefore the Judaic Sabbath observance, let us see what kind of Sabbath observance is expected of the Christian. On the Sabbath day, nothing of worldly activity should be done. If therefore desisting from all worldly works and doing nothing mundane but being free for spiritual works, you come to the church, listen to divine readings and discussions and think of heavenly things, give heed to the future life, keep before your eyes the coming judgment, disregard present and visible things in favor of the invisible and future, this is the observance of the Christian Sabbath."(27)

3. The fourth-century compilation known as the Apostolic Constitutions, probably produced in Syria or elsewhere in the East, urged that both Sabbath and Sunday be observed.
"Have before thine eyes the fear of God, and always remember the ten commandments of God. . . . Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands."(28)

"But keep the sabbath, and the Lord's day festival [Sunday]; because the former is the memorial of the creation, and the latter of the resurrection."(29)

"Oh Lord Almighty, Thou hast created the world by Christ, and hast appointed the Sabbath in memory thereof, because that on that day Thou hast made us rest from our works, for the meditation upon Thy laws. . . . We solemnly assemble to celebrate the feast of the resurrection on the Lord's day, and rejoice on account of Him who has conquered death, and has brought life and immortality to light."(30)

"Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord's day let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety. We have said that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord's day of the resurrection."(31)

4. Gregory of Nyssa and Asterius of Amasea:
"Gregory of Nyssa in the late fourth century referred to the Sabbath and Sunday as 'sisters,' and about the same time Asterius of Amasea declared that it was beautiful for Christians that the 'team of these two days come together' -- 'the Sabbath and the Lord's Day.' According to Asterius, each week brought the people together on these days with priests to instruct them."(32)

5. John Cassian:
"In the fifth century John Cassian makes several references to church attendance on both Saturday and Sunday. In speaking of Egyptian monks, he states that 'except Vespers and Nocturns, there are no public services among them in the day except on Saturday and Sunday, when they meet together at the third hour [9:00 A.M.] for the purpose of Holy Communion."(33)

The historical evidence establishes that the Sabbath was kept by most Christians until at least the fifth century. Although Sunday was observed along with the Sabbath as a day for worship services, in most areas of the Roman Empire it did not replace the Sabbath. The trend in Rome and Alexandria, however, was for Sunday to replace the Sabbath. As we shall discover, in later centuries Sunday was treated as a day of rest, and Sabbath observance, although not discontinued by all Christians, was neglected by most.

WHEN DID SUNDAY OBSERVANCE REPLACE SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN THE PRACTICE OF MOST CHRISTIANS?
Sunday gradually became a rest day. Although in the early Christian centuries Sunday worship services were held in Rome and Alexandria, and increasingly in other places, Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest required by the fourth commandment. The development toward regarding Sunday as the complete substitute for the seventh-day Sabbath was a gradual process from the fourth to the twelfth century.

1. Constantine made Sunday a civil rest day.
His famous Sunday law of March 7, 321 reads as follows: "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."(34)

Kenneth Strand comments: "This was the first in a series of steps taken by Constantine and by later Roman emperors in regulating Sunday observance. It is obvious that this first Sunday law was not particularly Christian in orientation. We may note, for instance, the pagan designation 'venerable Day of the Sun.' Also, it is evident that Constantine did not base his Sunday regulations on the Decalogue, for he exempted agricultural work--a type of work strictly prohibited in the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11."(35)

2. Theodosius I and Gratian Valentinian
in A.D. 386 ruled that legal cases should not be heard on Sunday and that there should be no public or private payment of debt. Laws also forbad Sunday circus, theater, and horse racing.(36)

3. Ephraem Syrus
(c. A.D. 306-373) wrote that the law requires rest for servants and animals on Sunday. The law is a reference to the Old Testament Sabbath commandment (Exod. 20:8-11).(37) Hence, by the second half of the fourth century some Christians were treating Sunday as a rest day in place of the seventh-day Sabbath, and they were justifying their practice by appealing to the fourth commandment.

4. The Council of Laodicea about A.D. 364
The council showed respect for the Sabbath as well as Sunday, but Canon 29 stipulated: "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."(38)

While such fourth-century documents as the Apostolic Constitutions were urging that both Sabbath and Sunday be observed, the Council of Laodicea and certain influential church leaders were attempting to substitute Sunday for the Sabbath as the day of rest.

5. In medieval times the Sunday "Sabbath" displaced the Saturday Sabbath throughout Europe. (39)
i. Pope Gregory (Pope from A.D. 590-604) demanded that all secular activities should cease on Sunday so that the people could devote their time to prayer.(40)

ii. The Arian rulers must have accepted Sunday as a day of rest and worship, for the Visigoths were defeated by the Romans in A.D. 543 because they refused to fight on Sunday.(41)

iii. Pepin III, known as "the Short" (714-68), the Frankish king, Charlemagne (c. 742-814), the first Emperor (from 800) of the 'Holy Roman Empire,' and their successors attempted to enforce rest on Sunday.(42)

iv. "By the twelfth century, Sunday had become quite fully the church substitute for the seventh day. The rest began at sunset and lasted until the next sunset. All secular work was strictly prohibited under stern ecclesiastical and civil penalties, for nothing except very stringent necessity was allowed to interfere with church attendance (though dispensations could be granted by ecclesiastical authority). This concept of Sundaykeeping was spelled out clearly by the great decretalists. In his collection of 1234, Gregory IX, for instance, collated a decree from the Synod of Mayence from the early part of the ninth century and a letter from Pope Alexander III to the Archbishop of Trondheim in Norway teaching how Sunday must be kept. Although those were local documents, they acquired a much greater authority when they were included in a major canonic collection."(43)

6. One notable exception to the above trend was the Christian Church of Ethiopia
...which observed both Sabbath and Sunday throughout the Middle Ages and has continued to do so until the present.(44)

7. In every Christian century, even during the Middle Ages, there have been faithful observers of the seventh-day Sabbath.
Daniel Augsburger concludes his chapter, "The Sabbath and Lord's Day During the Middle Ages," by writing: "But also, all throughout that period there were groups of people who, either through the example of the Jews or because of their study of the Scriptures, attempted to keep the day that Jesus and the apostles had kept. For obvious reasons we know little about their number or their names, but their presence shows that in every age there were some who attempted to place the Word of God above the traditions of men."(45) He mentions, for example, the Passagini in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. In 1420 a group of Sabbathkeepers in northern France were dealt with by the authorities. Also some of the Bohemian "Picards" were Sabbathkeepers. In the fifteenth century some of the English Lollards (followers of John Wycliffe) and certain Christians in the Scandinavian lands kept the Sabbath.(46)

The trend from the fourth century on was away from observance of the Sabbath by most Christians and the substitution of Sunday as the day of worship and rest. Even so, in every century there were those who resisted the trend by adhering faithfully to the seventh-day Sabbath of the Scriptures.

We now summarize this article by reiterating that Jesus and the apostles observed the seventh-day Sabbath. There is no evidence in the New Testament for Sunday as a day of rest and worship. The New Testament nowhere invites or instructs Christians to observe Sunday as a memorial of Christ's resurrection. The apostle Paul did not attempt to abolish the seventh-day Sabbath. He consistently observed it. The Sabbath was neglected and depreciated in second-century Rome and Alexandria. Sabbath observance was progressively replaced by Sunday observance in the centuries that followed. But time and tradition to not abolish the law of God. Jesus said, "Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 5:19). John wrote, "Whoever says, 'I have come to know him,' but does not obey his commandments, is a liar, and in such person the truth does not exist; but whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has reached perfection. By this we may be sure that we are in him: whoever says, 'I abide in him,' ought to walk just as he walked" (1 John 2:4-6).

1. The Interpretation of St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans (Columbus, Ohio: Wartburg Press, 1945), p. 821.
2. See Charles R. Erdman, The Epistle of Paul to the Romans (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker, 1983), p. 157; F. Godet, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan, 1883, 1956), pp. 456, 457; Howard Rhys, The Epistle to the Romans (New York: Macmillan, 1961), p. 172.
3. Dederen cites Joseph Parker, Romans and Galatians, the People's Bible (New York, 1901), 26:123-125; A Barnes, "Romans," Notes on the New Testament (London, 1832), 4:299, 300; Wilbur T. Dayton, Romans and Galatians, Wesleyan Bible Commentary (Grand Rapids, Mich., 1965), 5:85, 86.
4. Raoul Dederen, "On Esteeming One Day as Better Than Another--Romans 14:5, 6," in Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), pp. 335, 336.
5. Ibid., pp. 336, 337.
6. Cyril C. Richardson, trans. and ed., Early Christian Fathers (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1953 ), pp. 161-163.
7. Didache 8:1, in Richardson, p. 174.
8. Speaking of the Jews, The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (New York: Abingdon Press, 1962), vol. 2, p. 243 comments: "It was the custom of the pious to fast on the second and fifth days of the week (Ta'an. 12a; Luke 18:12; Did. 8:1), and the especially devout might fast even more (Jth. 8:6)."
Renaissance New Testament Full Set- Volumes 1-18 (Gretna, Louisiana: Pelican, 1985), vol. 15, p. 64; William F. Arndt and F Wilbur Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Chicago: University Press, 1957), s.v. cheirographon.
10. Judith 8:6; R. H. Charles (ed.), The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1913), I:256.
11. Jubilees 50:12, 13; Charles, op. cit., II, 82.
The early Christian Sabbath: Selected essays and a source collection (Ann Arbor, Michigan: Ann Arbor Publishers, 1979), pp. 9-15.
13. Tertullian, On Fasting 14; Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson (eds.), The Ante- Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1965), IV:112.
14. C. J. Hefele, A History of the Christian Councils (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1894), I:146, 147.
15. Innocent I, Epistle 25.4; J. Migne, Patrologia latina XX, col. 555.
16. Samuele Bacchiocchi, "The Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity," in The Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), p. 137; citing S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6 (PL 143:937). See also Bacchiocchi, From Sabbath to Sunday : A Historical Investigation of the Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity (Rome: Pontifical Gregorian University Press, 1977), 185-198.
17. Bacchiocchi, "The Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity," in The Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand, p. 136. He cites Tacitus, Historiae 5, 13 and Dio Cassius, Historiae 69, 13.
18. Bacchiocchi, Ibid.
19. Bacchiocchi, Ibid., p. 137.
20. Justin, Apology 1, 67; The Ante-Nicene Fathers I:186.
21. Bacchiocchi, Ibid., p. 140.
22. Bacchiocchi, Ibid., p. 141.
The Sabbath in Scripture and History, p. 323.
24. Strand, Ibid., pp. 323, 324; citing Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History 5, 22 in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers/2 2:132.
25. Strand, Ibid., p. 324; citing Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History 7, 19 in NPNF/2 2:390
26. Strand, Ibid.
27. Strand. Ibid., citing Origen, Homily 23, on Numbers, par. 4; J. Migne, ed. Patrologia graeca 12:749, 750.
28. Apostolic Constitutions 2.36; ANF 7:413.
29. Apostolic Constitutions 7.23; ANF 7:469.
30. Apostolic Constitutions 7.36; ANF 7:474.
31. Apostolic Constitutions 8.33; ANF 7:495.
The Sabbath in Scripture and History, p. 325, citing Gregory of Nyssa, On Reproof (PG 46:309, 310); Asterius of Amasea, Homily 5, on Matthew 19:3 (PG 40:225, 226).
33. Strand, op. cit., citing John Cassian, Institutes 3.2; NPNF/2 11:213.
34. Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.
The Sabbath in Scripture and History, p. 328.
36. Strand, op. cit. He cites the Theodosian Code 11.7.13 and 15.5.5, trans. by Clyde Pharr (Princeton, N.J., 1952), pp. 300, 433.
37. Strand, Ibid., p. 329.
38. Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 (Edinburgh, 1876) 316.
39. See Daniel Augsburger, "The Sabbath and Lord's Day During the Mddle Ages," in The Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), pp. 190-214.
40. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 193; citing Epist. 13:1, note (PL 77:1254, 1255).
41. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 194.
42. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 201.
43. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 204.
44. See Werner K. Vyhmeister, "The Sabbath in Egypt and Ethiopia," inThe Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), pp. 169-189.
45. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 210.
46. Augsburger, Ibid., pp. 208-210.
(Source is; How When and Why the Sabbath was Changed from Saturday to Sunday)

It really does not stop there .... History confirms Sabbath keeping all through time from the Old Testament through to the New from Jesus, the Apostles, the early Church, through the Reformation to today....

Dear friends, do you love Jesus enough to walk as He walked? Do you love Him enough to keep His commandments? Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15). That includes the Sabbath commandment. Are you sure that your life is in His hands and that your name is written in the Lamb's book of life (Rev. 21:27)? Now is the time to make a decision for Him and for eternity. God is waiting longingly to take you into His arms of love and pour the Holy Spirit into your heart. Believe Him, accept Him, and follow His will in everything. Then you will have life and joy for eternity.

As I mentioned earlier this is only a side issue. Only God's Word is important and it is there we need to look by faith to follow the one who first loved us...

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word...
 
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I agree 100%, I'm definitely glad that you love God and are wanting to spread His truth abroad. I'm amazingly glad that you're here brother! How was it accepting the truth? Easy as cake, or was it a tough pill to swallow at first?

Hi Devin P, thanks for the warm welcome :D. Always nice to see others who love God's Word. That is actually a great question you ask. For some it is hard and for others it is easy depending on their circumstance and situation. For me however it was easy although a bit of a long story I guess.

I had a somewhat different experience in that I first started seeking God by reading the bible by myself alone at home and not attending any Church as such. This story is about God's leading me as I was seeking him through His Word. After sometime of reading God's Word the best I knew how and being very new to the bible and the things of God, I came across a bible verse that said; Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you (Matthew 6:33). At the time that scripture really made a deep impression on me as it still does today many years latter.

At that point in time I did not have any work and was not very well off. So I knew I had a part to play and that was to seek first above all things God's Kingdom and his righteousness. I did not need to worry about anything else if I was doing this nothing else mattered. Not too far latter I came across another promise in God's Word that said; But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you (John 14:26). This also made a deep impression on me as I was reading it. This was soon followed by other promises in God's Word saying similar things about God promising to be my teacher but everything was conditional on continuing in His Word and seeking him above all things (first). (John 8:31-34; 7:17; 16:13).

So this was something I was living by,everyday seeking God through His Word. As I was reading his Word (praying for God's Spirit for guidance and claiming the promises) I came across other scripture saying not to forsake the assembling of yourselves together (Hebrew 10:25). At the same time I was reading other scriptures of warning saying that in the last days there would be many false prophets and Christs that if possible would deceive God's very elect. (Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1, etc).

As I was reading all these verses it was like God was showing me something special. Here I was considering going and joining a Church for fellowship and God was telling me how am I ever going to find who the right Church was? When I looked out all I could see was 100's of Church's all professing they are the true Church of God. Not all of them could be right? To me at the time this was the meaning of the Scripture in the last days there shall be many false prophets and teachers to deceive if possible God's very elect....

I prayed to God about this problem of mine. I asked Lord how will I ever find your true Church I do not even know what your truth is...

As I continued in God's Word I believe he was teaching me more and more everyday. To cut a long story short God's Word clearly describes God's people as those that through faith the works by love keep all of God's commandments... Then the light came on for me.... What is the distinguishing feature between all these Churches all professing to know God and his true Church? God's true Church keep ALL of God's commandments through their Faith in God's Word....

99.9% of Christianity have been deceived into worshiping God on the wrong day of the week and are following the pagan day of Sun worship (Sunday) not to mention the other pagan holidays (Easter, Christmas, all Saint's day etc etc). Here was the keys.......

James 2:8-12
If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 John 2:3-4

3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 12:17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

May God bless you all as you seek Him through His Word...
 
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I like the video very much, but for clarity ... it is done with an actor using actual words published by members of the RC church.

Hi WindHund, so nice to meet you. Yes you are probably right although I do not know because I came across it on Youtube sometime ago but do not know much else about it.
 
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Not sure what Catholics do but concerning the basics of what you are saying about the Sabbath, and though I didn't read all your post, I'm assuming you are a 7th day, sunset to sunset Sabbath keeper.
Again, assuming that is a fact, what are we going to do with this verse?
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
I ask because I'm still on the fence about this, and if my assumptions were wrong, then never mind. :)

Hi Kenny, thanks for your comment and very nice to meet you as well :D. Yes good question this verse many people try to use to do away with one of God's Commandments when in fact it is not referring to the weekly Sabbath as a shadow but the annual ceremonial festivals that pointed to Jesus and had their fulfillment in the cross. There is some 200 + supporting scriptures in the thread COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH from God's Word linking the old and new testament scriptures showing this if your interested.

So yes the man made tradition being referred to here is Sunday worship which is a tradition of man the breaks the commandments of God introduced into Christianity by the RCC. Today, most of the world has been deceived into following this tradition (Sunday worship) which has no basis in the Word of God. I believe God has his people in every church but is calling his true followers out to worship him in Spirit and in Truth.

Jesus says if we follow man made traditions that break the commandments of God we are not following God hence the focus of the OP. Its worth a read if you have some time as it draws from parallels from the day of Jesus to the teachings from God's Word in the mainstream Churches of today............

Matthew 15:3-9

3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6, And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who should we follow God or man? The teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word....
 
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Do not allow anyone to deceive you into believing Christians are in any way under the old covenant. The covenant given to Israel was for a way of life while they sojourned in the desert and when they reached the promised land. It had nothing to do with their salvation. So the question I have is why do some think God is requiring Christians to observe laws that do not pertain to new covenant Christians? Why if the old covenant is so important do the same people pick and choose the laws they feel are important to their salvation and ignore the remainder of the 613 laws of the old covenant.

The appeal in post #22 is to walk as Jesus walked. He walked under the old covenant and He fulfilled that covenant. He does not ask us to walk under that covenant. He has given us a better covenant with better promises, eternal life. Why do some insist on turning their backs on such a free and wonderful gift?
 
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Dear friends,

Back again for a bit......

It is interesting reading some of the responses of some of the posts in this thread. You can see that some of the responses demonstrate what the OP is talking about. That is some claim like the Jews in Jesus day that the reason they are God's people is that they are the seed of Abraham (or we are Christians because we go to Church).

With these same people it was never about following God's Word through faith resulting in the works that Abraham did because of the faith and love that he had in God's Word.

This is why Jesus responded to those that made these claims; If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham (John 8:39).

It is not our profession to the faith that makes us children of God it is about believing God's Word and following what God says that makes us His chosen children. If the faith that we profess does not produce the fruit of obedience then our faith is dead and we are not following him who loves all (James 2:18; 20; 26; 1 John 2:2-4)

This is further evidenced in the following scriptures............................

Romans 9:6-8
6, Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL THAT ARE OF ISRAEL: 7, NEITHER BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY THE CHILDREN: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8, That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: but THE CHILDREN of the PROMISE are counted for the seed.

Romans 2:28-29
28, For HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. 29, But HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

So the Word of God is very clear it is not our profession that makes us the Children of God but our faith that works through love in God's Word that produces the fruit of obedience to God's Law that make us the Children of the promise.

It is very clear that if someone is professing to be a follower of God while living a life of unrepentant sin they are not in a saved state before God...........

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

and again..........

1 John 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Many believe that God's Law (10 commandments) have been abolished despite no scriptures to support this position and the many saying the opposite.

What I believe is the critical question for all of us today (myself included) is............

Who do we believe God or man? Do we like many of God's professed people of old follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God, say, we are the children of Abraham and never in bondage to any man and follow the mainstream preachers of the day? Or do we, through saving faith, believe and follow the Word of God?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.....
 
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I see this verse being mentioned a lot. But, and I could be wrong about this, I'm not saying I'm 100% all the time, but the facts that we know are these:

Paul wrote this to a church of gentile-converts.
The land these converts were living in, was a gentile nation, filled with gentiles.

Knowing the two sentences above are fact, I have a few questions to ask you.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

"Judge you in meat,"
now, he's writing to gentiles that are in a land that doesn't know God. They don't know about the food laws, so, why if they didn't have to keep the levitical food laws, would they be being judged in what meat they were eating? They're among gentiles, that don't know God, or His food laws, so we can safely assume that if they were eating all meat, since all the other gentiles they were around did the same thing, that they wouldn't be judged for eating all meat, but instead that they'd be judged for not eating certain types of meats.

"or in drink," - again, they're surrounded by gentiles that don't know about God, and His desire for us to have self-control. These gentiles, and all gentiles at this time in history celebrated many different feasts to pagan gods. Feast of saturnalia, ishtar, etc. My point is, their feasts, involved getting not only insanely drunk, but also publicly drunk. So, if the churches Paul was writing to were getting drunk constantly, why would they be getting judged, as gentiles at this time (and even today) highly regard the usage of alcohol.

They wouldn't be right. The churches Paul is writing would only be judged if they were abstaining, or limiting themselves much more than their non-God fearing counterparts.

"or in respect of an holy day," Gentiles didn't have holy days, the only holy days that men had at this point in time historically (as the word we use as "holiday" didn't exist until much later than the time of this letter, and originates from a hindu festival called holi that venerates krishna, a spring sun-god of hinduism) and the only "holy days" they had, were the Holy Days of God. Or the Moadim / Appointed Times. Why would gentiles in their land judge them if they could just worship God through any festival / holiday they wanted? They'd be participating, so there wouldn't be reason to - unless, they were observing different days of worship, to a different God.

"or of the new moon" Why would gentiles observe new moons? At this point in time when the letter was written, it was about 10 years after Caesar implemented his own version of the calendar. The calendar that the gentiles used at the time of this letter Paul wrote, was going off of phases and observance of the sun. Gentiles had no need to observe new moons in accordance with the moon. A new moon is how the Hebrews (what the Israelites of the bible are - Hebrews) know when a new month happens.

The hebraic calendar is based off of a phase of the moon, known as a new moon. Each new moon, the calendar moves into a new month. This had no affect on gentiles historically, nor does it today. So the gentiles of this time wouldn't of known what they were, and therefore would've judged those going off of this calendar as opposed to the calendar that observed the sun's coming and going. New moons are also how the Hebraic calendar keeps track of when God's appointed feasts are - as it is written the sun and the moon and stars are for signs of times and years for His people.

I ask because I'm still on the fence about this, and if my assumptions were wrong, then never mind. :)

It's no worries, hopefully it wasn't too long for you to read. I'm not 100% right all the time, but I have done some pretty extensive studies on the time that Paul wrote this letter, and the times the calendars were changed, as well as what the pagans of this land, and time believed and observed. He's basically saying stand strong in the faith, and don't let the people of the land you live in discourage you when you see how the pagans were living in their land during this time. Especially since in corinthians he gives the church instructions on how to keep the feast of unleavened bread, which means that they were also observing passover, because they go hand in hand.
Pretty simple one word answer really. Judaizers. They were a predominate problem addressed in almost every letter of Paul and definitely clearly addressed in Acts 15.

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True. They started doing it in about 321 ad, when Constantine passed a law that gave him and rome authority to excommunicate anyone found worshipping on the 7th day, and later when this failed to stop them, it was the norm for those found worshipping on the 7th day to be killed until they all were wiped out or submitted to the power and authority of Rome.
No the evidence dates from mid to late first century.

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Constantine, and many others in Rome hated Jews, and anyone and anything that seemed Jewish. Torah, isn't Jewish. Torah was given to Israel, of which, Jews are only one tribe of 12. So, anyone keeping Torah, to an uninformed gentile (early romans) seemed Jewish.
These days anyone who i s an Israeli or any descendant from Israel (Jacob) are called Jews.
"Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades, rest on the venerable day of the sun, but let those who are situated in the country, freely and at full liberty, attend to the business of agriculture; because it often happens that no other day is so fit for sowing corn and planting vines; lest the critical moment being let slip, men should lose the commodities granted by heaven" - Constantine 321 ad

Right after this he started excommunicating those found keeping the 7th day sabbath, and even went as far as to kill them, until he died. Eventually they were either killed, they moved, or they submitted.

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday [in the original: 'sabbato' -shall not be idle on the Sabbath], but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out" ['anathema,' excommunicated] from Christ." - Council of Laodicean,

"It is certain that the ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77
So what. It does not add anything further further to prove your point.

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There's no need to keep sabbath on sunday though. That is what the sabbath is meant for. For fellowship, for rest, and for worshipping God. Right now, that isn't what it's used for. Jesus wanted His followers to keep torah, He wouldn't want His followers to use His resurrection to transgress God, but because of Constantine, and the RCC (it's founders, and leaders, not it's followers) it's been used to do exactly that.

I'm definitely not saying that you can't worship God on sunday, or any other day of the week. But sunday or tuesday or wednesday worship shouldn't do away with the sabbath of the 7th day, regardless of if Jesus was resurrected on the 1st day or not. We can definitely celebrate on the 1st day, but the 7th day holds a special place in God's heart, and we should still try our best to honor it for the love we have of Him. As Jesus said, His doctrine is not His own. It was His Father's, and His Father's highly esteemed the sabbath. To the utmost actually.
Spurious. The Christian is not obligated to the covenant with that requirement.

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It's no worries, hopefully it wasn't too long for you to read. I'm not 100% right all the time, but I have done some pretty extensive studies on the time that Paul wrote this letter, and the times the calendars were changed, as well as what the pagans of this land, and time believed and observed. He's basically saying stand strong in the faith, and don't let the people of the land you live in discourage you when you see how the pagans were living in their land during this time. Especially since in corinthians he gives the church instructions on how to keep the feast of unleavened bread, which means that they were also observing passover, because they go hand in hand.

Thanks for the reply and no, not too long...we are either here to study or not, if it takes time, it takes time.

Good points, and if that is the case, why should they worry about the Sabbath that was mentioned right in there with those other things?

Just as those other things, they were what you said they were to the Gentile..of little significance, as well as the fact they were Jewish laws that had nothing to do with the Gentiles, so whether they kept the Sabbath or not may have been of no more significance than the other things. I mean it was mentioned right there along with those other things.

Also, there are a pile of incidents where damnable sins are listed throughout the Bible, you've seen the verses that entail the lists, something like...those who do this that or the other thing will not see the kingdom of God, and the like. But not once is Sabbath keeping so much as mentioned in any of those places, much less starting and stopping it at a certain time of the day.
Excellent point about the sabbath.

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There's no need to keep sabbath on sunday though. That is what the sabbath is meant for. For fellowship, for rest, and for worshipping God. Right now, that isn't what it's used for. Jesus wanted His followers to keep torah, He wouldn't want His followers to use His resurrection to transgress God, but because of Constantine, and the RCC (it's founders, and leaders, not it's followers) it's been used to do exactly that.

I'm definitely not saying that you can't worship God on sunday, or any other day of the week. But sunday or tuesday or wednesday worship shouldn't do away with the sabbath of the 7th day, regardless of if Jesus was resurrected on the 1st day or not. We can definitely celebrate on the 1st day, but the 7th day holds a special place in God's heart, and we should still try our best to honor it for the love we have of Him. As Jesus said, His doctrine is not His own. It was His Father's, and His Father's highly esteemed the sabbath. To the utmost actually.
Christians do not apply the rules of the sabbath to Sunday in general. IN Sunday meeting churches the word Sabbath is misused for spurious purposes. The real truth is it only gives us a headache with people like you who demand the amended law be kept.

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If you read the verse in context though, it's talking about a common and problematic debate they had back then. There was a debate that literally was splitting up the churches, and it was whether or not it was best to fast on these two days of the week, or those two days of the week, or even if only one certain day was best. They would literally separate entire churches because of this debate, and when looked at in context,

Romans 14:1-6
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

In context, especially historically, we see that this verse is referring to that debate. He's telling them about fast days, and that it doesn't matter. When you fast, just do it without judgement, because whether or not you fast, you're eating or not eating to the Lord. If you eat to the Lord, you're observing the food He calls clean, so you're eating to Him. If you're fasting, you're fasting for Him. Either way, you're doing it for Him, so there's no point to judge or debate, just do it.

Not only is the word eat, and food referenced 12+ times around this verse, but the word sabbath is found nowhere near it. It's not even in the chapter. Actually, the word sabbath isn't even found once in the entire book of Romans.

If someone is doing away with a commandment of God, I would hope that they'd at least say they were doing away with it, or at least mention that which they're claiming is done away with by name at least.




And I'm sorry, but what you've said about constantine or the RCC not changing the sabbath date, historically isn't accurate.

"Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades, rest on the venerable day of the sun, but let those who are situated in the country, freely and at full liberty, attend to the business of agriculture; because it often happens that no other day is so fit for sowing corn and planting vines; lest the critical moment being let slip, men should lose the commodities granted by heaven" - Constantine 321 ad

That is the word of constantine, when in 321 ad, he literally passed a law changing the sabbath. He then from this point on, excommunicated those found keeping the 7th day sabbath, and later ultimately killed them.

The more I dig into history, the most I see that in fact, early believers, apostles alike kept the sabbath and all parts of torah that applied to them. In acts for example, they kept passover, they kept pentecost, they kept the feast of unleavened bread, and they kept sabbath 83+ times. Corinthians, Paul gave instructions to gentiles on how to keep the feast of unleavened bread, in revelations, John prophesies about how in the end times, they'd be keeping the sabbath, etc. I can go on and on, especially on historical accounts of those keeping torah (jewish or not) were outright killed because they kept torah. Uninformed haters of jews called them judaizers, even though that wasn't what they were.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm serious though, look up 321 ad, and see for yourself.

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday [in the original: 'sabbato' -shall not be idle on the Sabbath], but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out" ['anathema,' excommunicated] from Christ." - Council of Laodicean,
The problem was and still is Judaizers.

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Well, they did care about sabbaths. Back in this time, historically it wasn't normal for gentiles to take days off (especially much earlier than this) in fact, a lot of rome hated jews, because they thought that jews were lazy for taking a weekly day off, not even mentioning the other high sabbaths found throughout the year with unleavened bread, sukkot, etc.

The gentiles hated these things, because again, they thought taking so many days off was lazy. Although, these things aren't "jewish", they're hebraic, and customs of Israel (biblical Israel, God's people, not the country)

Why I believe that it still stands, is because there are verses in the OT, calling Israel an olive tree. Yet, in Romans 11, Paul tells us that gentiles are grafted into the good olive tree. Well, Israel, is that good olive tree. So, by having faith in Jesus, we are spiritually birthed again, being born anew, and our inheritance is among the only people ever promised the inheritance we have been given - Israel.
You are very mistaken on this issue. You need it to be as you say to support your theology. Rom 11 and Jn 10 will not support it.

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Right, and hopefully one day we'll be able to agree, but Justin Martyr didn't understand the OT, really at all. He believed that the torah was only for the jews. When all throughout the OT, and the NT, we can see that is not the case. Not only that, but Jews are only one of 12 tribes it was given to.

If the OT speaks against doing away with the sabbath, and the NT speaks against doing away with the sabbath, and Jesus speaks against doing away with the sabbath, and the Apostles and Disciples talk as if keeping sabbath is base line knowledge, and warn against those who teach otherwise, then why would we trust someone that teaches literally exactly the opposite of what the bible tells us?

Idk, we probably will never agree. The way I see it, is, it's trusting either the bible, or writers 150 years after Jesus died that contradict everything the bible says.

Justin says that the sabbath didn't exist prior to Moses, but God tells us it existed from the beginning, and Justin thinks that Torah was only given to Jews, when they were only a 12th of those it was given to. That, and a lot of what he says completely contradicts way too much of scripture for me to feel comfortable using him as a source. Different strokes. The bible tells us that in the end of times, the serpent will go after those who testify of Jesus, and keep the commandments, and that those who keep the law until the last days will be saved, and that the law will be kept when Jesus comes down to reign on earth with us. So, why the law existed from the beginning of creation, until 150-300 ad, only to return again in the last days and during the millennial reign, idk. It just doesn't make sense to me.

All I'm saying, is if Jesus taught the doing away with the law, He'd be guilty of breaking and failing the deuteronomy 13 test, and therefore wouldn't be sinless. Because according to Torah, the very Law of God, if any prophet or worker of miracles does or says anything that contradicts, is against, or is contrary to the law Moses showed to Israel, they were to be stoned to death. So, if Jesus taught that the law was done away with, then He would be in the wrong, and the Jews that sought to stone Him in the right - and this by the very law He would've supposedly been keeping perfectly. Not my own opinion, but the law He kept.

I believe wholeheartedly that He kept it. But, in order for Him to keep it, He wouldn't of been able to teach against it, otherwise, He'd be breaking it. We can see this in the NT, in all of the verses of the apostles and disciples keeping and observing the Torah. Passover, unleavened bread, pentecost, sacrifices, circumcision, etc. They kept it, and Jesus taught the keeping of it, just because someone after they all died decided not to keep it, and teach others to do the same, doesn't validate lawlessness. Nor does it invalidate Jesus and the apostles.

It's even more alarming when you look at the greek word Anomia.

Anomia:

Lawlessness for one of two reasons
a. the ignorance of it
b. the desire to be without it

Why do I bring up the greek word anomia? Because.

Matthew 7:23 - And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (anomia - lawlessness).

The word iniquity in the greek, is anomia. Which literally means, lawlessness. Depart from me, ye that work lawlessness. That is who Jesus will say depart from me to, those without the law.
How can you speak for Justin Martyr? I can understand why you are speaking against him.

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Do you realize what Jesus gave you the opportunity to become?

What does Romans 11 speak of? What is the great mystery that Paul wishes we wouldn't be ignorant of? If you believe in Jesus, and are saved, you're no longer a gentile. All a gentile is, is someone who isn't in covenant with God - someone who is at enmity with God, someone that is separated from the promises and blessings of God. Just as foretold in Genesis, we're grafted into Israel no longer being gentiles, as Ephraim. Something predicted in Genesis, told about in the prophets, described by Jesus and elaborated by Paul.

Just because Justin was with others who were misinterpreting scripture, still doesn't mean that we should throw all of scripture out the window.

The law still applies to gentiles, just because they refuse to accept it and come to truth doesn't give them excuse. Otherwise God wouldn't of had any right to lay waste to Sodom and Gomorrah. All have sinned, means all. Sin is transgression of the law, therefore all have sinned and have fallen short, meaning all are held to that standard, regardless of their knowledge of the standard.

If gentiles aren't to keep the covenant, that means Paul in Romans 11 is wrong, it means the prophesy predicting our grafting into Israel in Genesis is wrong, that means the prophets is wrong, and that means Jesus isn't our savior, because He Himself says that He has only come to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel. It would also mean that Paul incorrectly taught, told and reminded the gentile church of corinth to keep the biblical feast of unleavened bread, and passover. It would also mean that countless prophecies about the end times, and the book of revelations would be wrong. So I mean, idk. I'm just urging you to read into the way the church sees theology a bit, and to test everything, because what you're saying, what justin is saying, and what those who don't know who they are in our Savior think theologically, would mean that the bible contradicts itself countless times, or at the very least, much of it is untrue.
No sir, we Chritsians are graft into Jesus the Root just as Rom 11 says. It says "among them." We partake of "the Root." Jh 15 says we abide in Jesus and He in us. We do not abide in Israel.

We Christians are fellow citizens with the saints, not Israel. Eph 2:12-19 Nowhere in the cited passage are we told Christians partake of the commonwealth of Israel.

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Hi all,

Please forgive my slow posts. I little busy with other things at the moment I will try and catch up with everyone as I have time. Noticed some were interested in some of the history of the Sabbath and found this which may be useful and includes all the historical references.......

The Watering Down of the Sabbath in the First 300 Years
The Christians during the apostolic era, from about 35 to 100 A.D., kept Sabbath on the designated seventh day of the week. For the first 300 years of Christian history, when the Roman emperors regarded themselves as gods, Christianity became an “illegal religion,” and God’s people were scattered abroad (Acts 8:1). Judaism, however, was regarded at that time as “legal,” as long as they obeyed Roman laws. Thus, during the apostolic era, Christians found it convenient to let the Roman authorities think of them as Jews, which gained them legitimacy with the Roman government. However, when the Jews rebelled against Rome, the Romans put down their rebellion by destroying Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and again in A.D. 135. Obviously, the Roman government’s suppression of the Jews made it increasingly uncomfortable for Christians to be thought of as Jewish. At that time, Sunday was the rest day of the Roman Empire, whose religion was Mithraism, a form of sun worship. Since Sabbath observance is visible to others, some Christians in the early second century sought to distance themselves from Judaism by observing a different day, thus “blending in” to the society around them. During the Empire-wide Christian persecutions under Nero, Maximin, Diocletian, and Galerius, Sabbath-keeping Christians were hunted down, tortured, and, for sport, often used for entertainment in the Colisseum. (Persecution in the early Church by E. A. RYAN, SJ. p 310-339)

TO WHAT EXTENT WAS THE SABBATH OBSERVED AS A SACRED DAY OF WORSHIP BY EARLY CHRISTIANS?

There are many historical references out there. Kenneth A. Strand provides very convincing historical evidence that, although in Rome and Alexandria the trend was to replace weekly Sabbath worship with Sunday worship services, elsewhere in the Roman Empire the Sabbath was observed along with Sunday until the fifth century.

Strand writes: "The situation in Rome and Alexandria, however, was not typical of the rest of early Christianity. In these two cities there was an evident early attempt by Christians to terminate observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, but elsewhere throughout the Christian world Sunday observance simply arose alongside observance of Saturday."(23)

The evidence Strand presents is very impressive. Some of it is given here:

1. Two fifth-century church historians, Socrates Scholasticus and Sozomen:
"For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [the Lord's Supper] on the sabbath [Saturday] of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this. The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebais, hold their religious assemblies on the sabbath, but do not participate of the mysteries in the manner usual among Christians in general: for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries."(24)

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria. There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usage established elsewhere, the people meet together on Sabbath evenings, and, although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries."(25)

Strand comments: "Thus, even as late as the fifth century almost the entire Christian world observed both Saturday and Sunday for special religious services. Obviously, therefore, Sunday was not considered a substitute for the Sabbath."(26)

2. In the late second or early third century, Origen, the famous Alexandrian Church Father wrote of the proper kind of Sabbath observance:
"Forsaking therefore the Judaic Sabbath observance, let us see what kind of Sabbath observance is expected of the Christian. On the Sabbath day, nothing of worldly activity should be done. If therefore desisting from all worldly works and doing nothing mundane but being free for spiritual works, you come to the church, listen to divine readings and discussions and think of heavenly things, give heed to the future life, keep before your eyes the coming judgment, disregard present and visible things in favor of the invisible and future, this is the observance of the Christian Sabbath."(27)

3. The fourth-century compilation known as the Apostolic Constitutions, probably produced in Syria or elsewhere in the East, urged that both Sabbath and Sunday be observed.
"Have before thine eyes the fear of God, and always remember the ten commandments of God. . . . Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands."(28)

"But keep the sabbath, and the Lord's day festival [Sunday]; because the former is the memorial of the creation, and the latter of the resurrection."(29)

"Oh Lord Almighty, Thou hast created the world by Christ, and hast appointed the Sabbath in memory thereof, because that on that day Thou hast made us rest from our works, for the meditation upon Thy laws. . . . We solemnly assemble to celebrate the feast of the resurrection on the Lord's day, and rejoice on account of Him who has conquered death, and has brought life and immortality to light."(30)

"Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord's day let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety. We have said that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord's day of the resurrection."(31)

4. Gregory of Nyssa and Asterius of Amasea:
"Gregory of Nyssa in the late fourth century referred to the Sabbath and Sunday as 'sisters,' and about the same time Asterius of Amasea declared that it was beautiful for Christians that the 'team of these two days come together' -- 'the Sabbath and the Lord's Day.' According to Asterius, each week brought the people together on these days with priests to instruct them."(32)

5. John Cassian:
"In the fifth century John Cassian makes several references to church attendance on both Saturday and Sunday. In speaking of Egyptian monks, he states that 'except Vespers and Nocturns, there are no public services among them in the day except on Saturday and Sunday, when they meet together at the third hour [9:00 A.M.] for the purpose of Holy Communion."(33)

The historical evidence establishes that the Sabbath was kept by most Christians until at least the fifth century. Although Sunday was observed along with the Sabbath as a day for worship services, in most areas of the Roman Empire it did not replace the Sabbath. The trend in Rome and Alexandria, however, was for Sunday to replace the Sabbath. As we shall discover, in later centuries Sunday was treated as a day of rest, and Sabbath observance, although not discontinued by all Christians, was neglected by most.

WHEN DID SUNDAY OBSERVANCE REPLACE SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN THE PRACTICE OF MOST CHRISTIANS?
Sunday gradually became a rest day. Although in the early Christian centuries Sunday worship services were held in Rome and Alexandria, and increasingly in other places, Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest required by the fourth commandment. The development toward regarding Sunday as the complete substitute for the seventh-day Sabbath was a gradual process from the fourth to the twelfth century.

1. Constantine made Sunday a civil rest day.
His famous Sunday law of March 7, 321 reads as follows: "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."(34)

Kenneth Strand comments: "This was the first in a series of steps taken by Constantine and by later Roman emperors in regulating Sunday observance. It is obvious that this first Sunday law was not particularly Christian in orientation. We may note, for instance, the pagan designation 'venerable Day of the Sun.' Also, it is evident that Constantine did not base his Sunday regulations on the Decalogue, for he exempted agricultural work--a type of work strictly prohibited in the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11."(35)

2. Theodosius I and Gratian Valentinian
in A.D. 386 ruled that legal cases should not be heard on Sunday and that there should be no public or private payment of debt. Laws also forbad Sunday circus, theater, and horse racing.(36)

3. Ephraem Syrus
(c. A.D. 306-373) wrote that the law requires rest for servants and animals on Sunday. The law is a reference to the Old Testament Sabbath commandment (Exod. 20:8-11).(37) Hence, by the second half of the fourth century some Christians were treating Sunday as a rest day in place of the seventh-day Sabbath, and they were justifying their practice by appealing to the fourth commandment.

4. The Council of Laodicea about A.D. 364
The council showed respect for the Sabbath as well as Sunday, but Canon 29 stipulated: "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."(38)

While such fourth-century documents as the Apostolic Constitutions were urging that both Sabbath and Sunday be observed, the Council of Laodicea and certain influential church leaders were attempting to substitute Sunday for the Sabbath as the day of rest.

5. In medieval times the Sunday "Sabbath" displaced the Saturday Sabbath throughout Europe. (39)
i. Pope Gregory (Pope from A.D. 590-604) demanded that all secular activities should cease on Sunday so that the people could devote their time to prayer.(40)

ii. The Arian rulers must have accepted Sunday as a day of rest and worship, for the Visigoths were defeated by the Romans in A.D. 543 because they refused to fight on Sunday.(41)

iii. Pepin III, known as "the Short" (714-68), the Frankish king, Charlemagne (c. 742-814), the first Emperor (from 800) of the 'Holy Roman Empire,' and their successors attempted to enforce rest on Sunday.(42)

iv. "By the twelfth century, Sunday had become quite fully the church substitute for the seventh day. The rest began at sunset and lasted until the next sunset. All secular work was strictly prohibited under stern ecclesiastical and civil penalties, for nothing except very stringent necessity was allowed to interfere with church attendance (though dispensations could be granted by ecclesiastical authority). This concept of Sundaykeeping was spelled out clearly by the great decretalists. In his collection of 1234, Gregory IX, for instance, collated a decree from the Synod of Mayence from the early part of the ninth century and a letter from Pope Alexander III to the Archbishop of Trondheim in Norway teaching how Sunday must be kept. Although those were local documents, they acquired a much greater authority when they were included in a major canonic collection."(43)

6. One notable exception to the above trend was the Christian Church of Ethiopia
...which observed both Sabbath and Sunday throughout the Middle Ages and has continued to do so until the present.(44)

7. In every Christian century, even during the Middle Ages, there have been faithful observers of the seventh-day Sabbath.
Daniel Augsburger concludes his chapter, "The Sabbath and Lord's Day During the Middle Ages," by writing: "But also, all throughout that period there were groups of people who, either through the example of the Jews or because of their study of the Scriptures, attempted to keep the day that Jesus and the apostles had kept. For obvious reasons we know little about their number or their names, but their presence shows that in every age there were some who attempted to place the Word of God above the traditions of men."(45) He mentions, for example, the Passagini in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. In 1420 a group of Sabbathkeepers in northern France were dealt with by the authorities. Also some of the Bohemian "Picards" were Sabbathkeepers. In the fifteenth century some of the English Lollards (followers of John Wycliffe) and certain Christians in the Scandinavian lands kept the Sabbath.(46)

The trend from the fourth century on was away from observance of the Sabbath by most Christians and the substitution of Sunday as the day of worship and rest. Even so, in every century there were those who resisted the trend by adhering faithfully to the seventh-day Sabbath of the Scriptures.

We now summarize this article by reiterating that Jesus and the apostles observed the seventh-day Sabbath. There is no evidence in the New Testament for Sunday as a day of rest and worship. The New Testament nowhere invites or instructs Christians to observe Sunday as a memorial of Christ's resurrection. The apostle Paul did not attempt to abolish the seventh-day Sabbath. He consistently observed it. The Sabbath was neglected and depreciated in second-century Rome and Alexandria. Sabbath observance was progressively replaced by Sunday observance in the centuries that followed. But time and tradition to not abolish the law of God. Jesus said, "Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 5:19). John wrote, "Whoever says, 'I have come to know him,' but does not obey his commandments, is a liar, and in such person the truth does not exist; but whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has reached perfection. By this we may be sure that we are in him: whoever says, 'I abide in him,' ought to walk just as he walked" (1 John 2:4-6).

1. The Interpretation of St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans (Columbus, Ohio: Wartburg Press, 1945), p. 821.
2. See Charles R. Erdman, The Epistle of Paul to the Romans (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker, 1983), p. 157; F. Godet, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan, 1883, 1956), pp. 456, 457; Howard Rhys, The Epistle to the Romans (New York: Macmillan, 1961), p. 172.
3. Dederen cites Joseph Parker, Romans and Galatians, the People's Bible (New York, 1901), 26:123-125; A Barnes, "Romans," Notes on the New Testament (London, 1832), 4:299, 300; Wilbur T. Dayton, Romans and Galatians, Wesleyan Bible Commentary (Grand Rapids, Mich., 1965), 5:85, 86.
4. Raoul Dederen, "On Esteeming One Day as Better Than Another--Romans 14:5, 6," in Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), pp. 335, 336.
5. Ibid., pp. 336, 337.
6. Cyril C. Richardson, trans. and ed., Early Christian Fathers (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1953 ), pp. 161-163.
7. Didache 8:1, in Richardson, p. 174.
8. Speaking of the Jews, The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (New York: Abingdon Press, 1962), vol. 2, p. 243 comments: "It was the custom of the pious to fast on the second and fifth days of the week (Ta'an. 12a; Luke 18:12; Did. 8:1), and the especially devout might fast even more (Jth. 8:6)."
Renaissance New Testament Full Set- Volumes 1-18 (Gretna, Louisiana: Pelican, 1985), vol. 15, p. 64; William F. Arndt and F Wilbur Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Chicago: University Press, 1957), s.v. cheirographon.
10. Judith 8:6; R. H. Charles (ed.), The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1913), I:256.
11. Jubilees 50:12, 13; Charles, op. cit., II, 82.
The early Christian Sabbath: Selected essays and a source collection (Ann Arbor, Michigan: Ann Arbor Publishers, 1979), pp. 9-15.
13. Tertullian, On Fasting 14; Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson (eds.), The Ante- Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1965), IV:112.
14. C. J. Hefele, A History of the Christian Councils (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1894), I:146, 147.
15. Innocent I, Epistle 25.4; J. Migne, Patrologia latina XX, col. 555.
16. Samuele Bacchiocchi, "The Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity," in The Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), p. 137; citing S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6 (PL 143:937). See also Bacchiocchi, From Sabbath to Sunday : A Historical Investigation of the Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity (Rome: Pontifical Gregorian University Press, 1977), 185-198.
17. Bacchiocchi, "The Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity," in The Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand, p. 136. He cites Tacitus, Historiae 5, 13 and Dio Cassius, Historiae 69, 13.
18. Bacchiocchi, Ibid.
19. Bacchiocchi, Ibid., p. 137.
20. Justin, Apology 1, 67; The Ante-Nicene Fathers I:186.
21. Bacchiocchi, Ibid., p. 140.
22. Bacchiocchi, Ibid., p. 141.
The Sabbath in Scripture and History, p. 323.
24. Strand, Ibid., pp. 323, 324; citing Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History 5, 22 in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers/2 2:132.
25. Strand, Ibid., p. 324; citing Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History 7, 19 in NPNF/2 2:390
26. Strand, Ibid.
27. Strand. Ibid., citing Origen, Homily 23, on Numbers, par. 4; J. Migne, ed. Patrologia graeca 12:749, 750.
28. Apostolic Constitutions 2.36; ANF 7:413.
29. Apostolic Constitutions 7.23; ANF 7:469.
30. Apostolic Constitutions 7.36; ANF 7:474.
31. Apostolic Constitutions 8.33; ANF 7:495.
The Sabbath in Scripture and History, p. 325, citing Gregory of Nyssa, On Reproof (PG 46:309, 310); Asterius of Amasea, Homily 5, on Matthew 19:3 (PG 40:225, 226).
33. Strand, op. cit., citing John Cassian, Institutes 3.2; NPNF/2 11:213.
34. Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.
The Sabbath in Scripture and History, p. 328.
36. Strand, op. cit. He cites the Theodosian Code 11.7.13 and 15.5.5, trans. by Clyde Pharr (Princeton, N.J., 1952), pp. 300, 433.
37. Strand, Ibid., p. 329.
38. Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 (Edinburgh, 1876) 316.
39. See Daniel Augsburger, "The Sabbath and Lord's Day During the Mddle Ages," in The Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), pp. 190-214.
40. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 193; citing Epist. 13:1, note (PL 77:1254, 1255).
41. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 194.
42. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 201.
43. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 204.
44. See Werner K. Vyhmeister, "The Sabbath in Egypt and Ethiopia," inThe Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand (Washington D.C.: Review and Herald, 1982), pp. 169-189.
45. Augsburger, Ibid., p. 210.
46. Augsburger, Ibid., pp. 208-210.
(Source is; How When and Why the Sabbath was Changed from Saturday to Sunday)

It really does not stop there .... History confirms Sabbath keeping all through time from the Old Testament through to the New from Jesus, the Apostles, the early Church, through the Reformation to today....

Dear friends, do you love Jesus enough to walk as He walked? Do you love Him enough to keep His commandments? Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15). That includes the Sabbath commandment. Are you sure that your life is in His hands and that your name is written in the Lamb's book of life (Rev. 21:27)? Now is the time to make a decision for Him and for eternity. God is waiting longingly to take you into His arms of love and pour the Holy Spirit into your heart. Believe Him, accept Him, and follow His will in everything. Then you will have life and joy for eternity.

As I mentioned earlier this is only a side issue. Only God's Word is important and it is there we need to look by faith to follow the one who first loved us...

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word...
Your sources are interesting. None of them are early (1st century) works. You being SDA this is understandable.
What about Ignatius (162 AD)
Justin Martyr (160 AD)
Irenaeus (180 AD)
Tertullian (197 AD)
Victorinous (280 AD)?

Not to mention various books of the NT all dated prior to 100 AD.

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Hi Devin P, thanks for the warm welcome :D. Always nice to see others who love God's Word. That is actually a great question you ask. For some it is hard and for others it is easy depending on their circumstance and situation. For me however it was easy although a bit of a long story I guess.

I had a somewhat different experience in that I first started seeking God by reading the bible by myself alone at home and not attending any Church as such. This story is about God's leading me as I was seeking him through His Word. After sometime of reading God's Word the best I knew how and being very new to the bible and the things of God, I came across a bible verse that said; Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you (Matthew 6:33). At the time that scripture really made a deep impression on me as it still does today many years latter.

At that point in time I did not have any work and was not very well off. So I knew I had a part to play and that was to seek first above all things God's Kingdom and his righteousness. I did not need to worry about anything else if I was doing this nothing else mattered. Not too far latter I came across another promise in God's Word that said; But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you (John 14:26). This also made a deep impression on me as I was reading it. This was soon followed by other promises in God's Word saying similar things about God promising to be my teacher but everything was conditional on continuing in His Word and seeking him above all things (first). (John 8:31-34; 7:17; 16:13).

So this was something I was living by,everyday seeking God through His Word. As I was reading his Word (praying for God's Spirit for guidance and claiming the promises) I came across other scripture saying not to forsake the assembling of yourselves together (Hebrew 10:25). At the same time I was reading other scriptures of warning saying that in the last days there would be many false prophets and Christs that if possible would deceive God's very elect. (Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1, etc).

As I was reading all these verses it was like God was showing me something special. Here I was considering going and joining a Church for fellowship and God was telling me how am I ever going to find who the right Church was? When I looked out all I could see was 100's of Church's all professing they are the true Church of God. Not all of them could be right? To me at the time this was the meaning of the Scripture in the last days there shall be many false prophets and teachers to deceive if possible God's very elect....

I prayed to God about this problem of mine. I asked Lord how will I ever find your true Church I do not even know what your truth is...

As I continued in God's Word I believe he was teaching me more and more everyday. To cut a long story short God's Word clearly describes God's people as those that through faith the works by love keep all of God's commandments... Then the light came on for me.... What is the distinguishing feature between all these Churches all professing to know God and his true Church? God's true Church keep ALL of God's commandments through their Faith in God's Word....

99.9% of Christianity have been deceived into worshiping God on the wrong day of the week and are following the pagan day of Sun worship (Sunday) not to mention the other pagan holidays (Easter, Christmas, all Saint's day etc etc). Here was the keys.......

James 2:8-12
If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 John 2:3-4

3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 12:17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Since this time God has shown me that he indeed has his faithful few that have not bowed the knee to BAAL. Even the lovely people that come here on this forum there is those that love God I see his Spirit working in them and they bless me everyday..... Welcome friend and a very Happy Sabbath to you and all God's people (my time)

May God bless you all as you seek Him through His Word...
What I wonder about is how the sabbath came to your attention since there is no requirement about it int he NT. True there is much about it in the Gospels and Acts only as historical fact.

I wonder because I as a believer in Jesus as my Savior even after having read the complete Bible have never had a desire to keep the sabbath. I have always understood it to be a requirement of Jews with no mandate in the NT for observance.

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