In Hebrews 9:23 we see a plain reference to the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary:
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Hello tall,
I see you are trying to use Hebrews 9:23-25 to say that the day of atonement or cleansing of the sanctuary has already taken place? You seem to be moving on to here but you have not addressed the multitude of other questions that we have been discussing ealier that do not agree with your theory here. For instance;
How does the day of atonement differ from the daily ministration. You have been provided scripture that disagrees with your understanding showing that Leviticus 16 is talking about the cleansing and removal of sin from the Sanctuary and God's presence and not only the atonement of sin to God's people.
Your application to the scapegoat is Christ but how can that be based on the 5 points in the previous post. You seem to indicated that you did not know what the scapegoat represents. The cleansing of the Sanctuary only takes place according to scripture 2300 years after the establishment of the little horn which disagrees with your application of Hebrews 9:23-25.
How can you move on here without addressing all the other questions that have not been answered that disagree with your application of the scriptures here?
Happy to discuss the scriptures here with you again but they do not support your idear that the Cleansing of the Sanctuary has already been fulfilled if that were the case then God's plan of salvation has already been completed. The cleansing of the Sanctuary or the day of atoenment has not been completed according to scripture as the high priest has not gone through the process of cleansing the Sanctuary.
This is only completed when the sins of God's people are applied to the scapegoat and sins are removed from the presence of God. This takes place when the priest confesses and transfers the sins of God's people to the scapgoat and the goat is removed from the Sanctuary and the presence of God (Leviticus 16:33; 6; 8; 20-22). This happens after the 2nd coming when after the investigative judment highlighted in Daniel 7:10 when it is pronounced,
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He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelations 22:11-12.
As can be seen in the obove scripture God's judgment is complete and the sentance pronounced. Jesus us coming and his reward is with him.
This links also with Daniel 7:10 and Daniel 7:26-27 which says...
[10], A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him:
the judgment was set, and the
books were opened.
The books [plural] of God's judgment are shown through the scriptures to refer
1. The book of life and
2 the book of remembrance (deeds and acts)
* Rev 3:5; 8; 17:8; 20:12-13; 15; Mal 3:16
links to
[26], But the
judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it to the end. [27],
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
So as you can see through the scriptures here both the judgment and the cleansing of the Sancuary (Day of atonement) happens just before the second coming and not at the ascension of Christs entering the heavenly Sanctuary.
All of the above you have failed to answer. I just wanted to highlight this before talking about Hebrews 9.
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Now let's have a look at your application of Hebrews 9:24-25. Despite the above, your claim is that Hebrews 1:3 as well as Hebrews 9:23-25 is a reference to the day of atonement or God's cleansing of the Sanctuary being completed at Christs ascension correct because Jesus is able to enter the Most Holy place.
This was posted from
post #193 as requested earlier from you when I said these passages were already discussed. I am reposting it here but will add some
extra comments.
I do not disagree that all of heaven is opened to Jesus into the presence of the father. Does this mean that because Jesus has access to the presence of the father that this is referring to the cleansing of the Sanctuary and the great day of atonement?
Absoluetly not! What you are not considering within the scriptures is that not only is Christ our great high priest of a NEW Priesthood who is our sinless sacrifice once and for all sin, but he is also a KING with his own throne who is God. With these thoughts in mind let's examine the scruptures.
God the father proclaims Jesus as KING who has his own throne next to God (Hebrews 1:8). This is clearly outlined in the book of Hebrews.
The reason that Jesus can appear in God's presenece and has access to all of Heaven is because unlike the earthly Priesthood Jesus Priesthood is not of the Levitical order it is of the Malchisedek order (KING of RIGHTEOUSNESS; Priest). Not only is Jesus God, KING and out great high priest he is the perfect sinless sacrifice.
Hebrews 9:23-25 is
not talking about the cleansing of the Sanctuary and God's Juddgment it is talking about the role of Jesus and his perfect sacrifice for all sin. Once again we are told in scriptures the cleansing of the Sanctuary and the great day of atonement, does not take place until after the judgment of the little horn (
Daniel 7:10;
Daniel 8:13-14).
The role of Jesus after his ressurection to the Heavenly Sanctuary was for our sacrifice for sin, ministration of a new covanant as our
KING (he has his own throne next to God the father)
high priest, and
God for judgment who has his own throne next to God the Father (Luke 1:32; Acts 2:30; Hebrews 1:8; Hebrews 12:2; Revelation 4:5. 7:15-17)
Christs priesthood is a NEW Priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-19) not after the earthly levitical order of sinful man but after the order of Malchizedek (means KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; PRIEST)
allows him to enter into the presence of God as the sinless sacrifice for all mankind (Hebrews 5:6; 10; 6:20; 7:1-3). This is a different priesthood with a better covenant. He is at the right hand of the throne of God because he is also KING (Hebrews 8:1). Christs sacrifice was once and forever to cover all sin to bring in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 10:1-14; 15-17).
What you have posted earlier
denies the scriptures in relation to Christs complete role which allows him access to ALL of Heaven. He is not only our great high priest from a new Priesthood but also our KING and God.
HEBREWS 8 and
HEBREWS 9 explain nicely why the way into the most holy place is opened up. Although it is not saying here that because Jesus sits at the right hand of God that this was in reference to the cleansing of the Sanctuary and the day of Atonement which the earthly was pointing to.
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Why the Most Holy place is opened and why it was not opened in the earthly...
The New Priestly Service...
Hebrews 8; Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
A New Covenant...
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
The Earthly Sanctuary
Hebrews 9 Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. 2 For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; 5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
Limitations of the Earthly Service...
6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience—10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
The Heavenly Sanctuary...
11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
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* The context and topic spoken of is the perfect sacrifice is Christ for sin. This has nothing to do with the Great day of atonement and the cleansing of the Sanctuary outlined in Leviticus being fulfilled only the Christs sacrifice is sufficient for all sin and all aspects of the Sanctuary ministration for the atonement for sin.
The role of Jesus after his ressurection to the Heavenly Sanctuary was for our sacrifice for sin, ministration of a new covanant as our high priest, king and God for judgment.
Christs priesthood is a NEW Priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-19) not after the earthly levitical order of sinful man but after the order of Malchizedek (means KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; PRIEST) allows him to enter into the presence of God as the sinless sacrifice for all mankind (Hebrews 5:6; 10; 6:20; 7:1-3. This is a different priesthood with a better covenant. He is at the right hand of the throne of God because he is KING (Hebrews 1:8). Christs sacrifice was once and forever to cover all sin to bring in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 10:1-14; 15-17).
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Now the above scriptures clearly show that the claim that Hebrews 9:23-25 is in reference to the cleansing of the Sanctuary or day of atonement is a false one. They only highlight the role of Christs perfect sacrifice for all sin within the ministration of the Heavenly Sanctuary.
Will continue a little further...