God's Commandments include the TEN Commandments in the NT

[ToBeLoved]

And of course - for all eternity even in the "New Heavens and New Earth" after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5



I am sorry but you have yet to show the the Rev 21 "New Heavens and New Earth" mentioned in Is 66:23 is in the OT and not the NT. Sadly for your preferences - this point is irrefutable.

So also the NT statement by Christ "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27.

And "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.

And "Worship Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and springs of water" Rev 14:7

"For in Six days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them" Ex 20:11

The TEN Commandment unit in which the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Just because the New Testament mentions the Old Testament (as well it should) does not mean that the law is still in effect, much less the Sabbath.

I'd like to also note that you are mixing Old Covenant and New Covenant verses. Most of these do not even talk about the sabbath day.

 

[BobRyan]

Sophrosyne said: ↑
I'm sorry but you have yet to show proof that it is EVER commanded of ANYONE in the New Testament.

I am sorry but you have yet to show the the Rev 21 "New Heavens and New Earth" mentioned in Is 66:23 is in the OT and not the NT. Sadly for your preferences - this point is irrefutable.

So also the NT statement by Christ "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27.

And "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.

And "Worship Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and springs of water" Rev 14:7

"For in Six days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them" Ex 20:11

The TEN Commandment unit in which the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

This is not a proof text for the Sabbath.

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You have yet to refute those texts - and "yes" they do prove the Ten Commandments - including the Sabbath are still valid in the NT.

Simply glossing over and ignoring every point in the texts when those details refute the anti-sabbath tradition, does not cause the texts to vanish nor does it constitute substantive attention-to-detail refutation of them.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I am sorry but you have yet to show the the Rev 21 "New Heavens and New Earth" mentioned in Is 66:23 is in the OT and not the NT. Sadly for your preferences - this point is irrefutable.

So also the NT statement by Christ "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27.

And "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.

And "Worship Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and springs of water" Rev 14:7

"For in Six days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them" Ex 20:11

The TEN Commandment unit in which the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2



You have yet to refute those texts - and "yes" they do prove the Ten Commandments - including the Sabbath are still valid in the NT.

Simply glossing over and ignoring every point in the texts when those details refute the anti-sabbath tradition, does not cause the texts to vanish nor does it constitute substantive attention-to-detail refutation of them.

Sure they do. You listed half OT verses. Nice try


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[BobRyan]

Sure they do. You listed half OT verses. Nice try

That was not what the Christians said to Christ in Luke 24:27 when HE too presented "Scripture" as proof of his doctrine --

In the mean time you again ignored every detail in the Bible texts given -- both NT and OT.

Had you ignored every detail in just the OT texts while fully accepting all the details in the NT text - that would be one thing.

As it is - you reject both.

 

[bugkiller]

I am sorry but you have yet to show the the Rev 21 "New Heavens and New Earth" mentioned in Is 66:23 is in the OT and not the NT. Sadly for your preferences - this point is irrefutable.

So also the NT statement by Christ "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27.

And "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.

And "Worship Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and springs of water" Rev 14:7

"For in Six days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them" Ex 20:11

The TEN Commandment unit in which the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2



You have yet to refute those texts - and "yes" they do prove the Ten Commandments - including the Sabbath are still valid in the NT.

Simply glossing over and ignoring every point in the texts when those details refute the anti-sabbath tradition, does not cause the texts to vanish nor does it constitute substantive attention-to-detail refutation of them.

No they don't.

MK 2:27 is used out of context as being spoken to the whole world when Jesus is having a conversation with Jews.

Heb 4 says Sabbath rest. It doesn't say anything about the 7th day Sabbath.

Ex 20:11 has nothing to do with the NC.

Eph 6:2 is not proof the Christian is obligated to the law. Such an argument makes Paul a false prophet/teacher as you desire to establish your false teaching. Paul says very plainly "Now we are delivered from the law." Paul also says Christ is the end of the law for everyone that believes.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

I am sorry but you have yet to show the the Rev 21 "New Heavens and New Earth" mentioned in Is 66:23 is in the OT and not the NT. Sadly for your preferences - this point is irrefutable.

So also the NT statement by Christ "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27.

And "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.

And "Worship Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and springs of water" Rev 14:7

"For in Six days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them" Ex 20:11

The TEN Commandment unit in which the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2



You have yet to refute those texts - and "yes" they do prove the Ten Commandments - including the Sabbath are still valid in the NT.

No they don't.

Yes they do

--- I think we have finally gotten our differences narrowed down

MK 2:27 is used in context - and in Matt 28 Jesus said his teaching is for whole world

Those who have a "not the teaching of Jesus" Gospel - have "another gospel".



Heb 4 says Sabbath rest and quotes the actual 4th commandment - stating that the SAME Sabbath 'remains" as was valid in Psalms 95 -- the 7th day Sabbath.

Ex 20:11 has to do with God as creator - the SAME God as is in Jeremiah 31:31-33 NC.

Eph 6:2 is proof the Christian is obligated to the law that has the fifth commandment as the "First Commandment with a Promise" which of course is that unit of ten - the TEN Commandments

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

 

[ToBeLoved]

That was not what the Christians said to Christ in Luke 24:27 when HE too presented "Scripture" as proof of his doctrine --

In the mean time you again ignored every detail in the Bible texts given -- both NT and OT.

Had you ignored every detail in just the OT texts while fully accepting all the details in the NT text - that would be one thing.

As it is - you reject both.

I read it all.

I'll keep it brief.

In Revelation, talking about the New Heaven and New Earth is in the future, when Jesus comes back.

The New Testament verses you listed weren't specific to the Sabbath. You used law related verses, not sabbath related.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Yes they do

--- I think we have finally gotten our differences narrowed down

MK 2:27 is used in context - and in Matt 28 Jesus said his teaching is for whole world

Those who have a "not the teaching of Jesus" Gospel - have "another gospel".



Heb 4 says Sabbath rest and quotes the actual 4th commandment - stating that the SAME Sabbath 'remains" as was valid in Psalms 95 -- the 7th day Sabbath.

Ex 20:11 has to do with God as creator - the SAME God as is in Jeremiah 31:31-33 NC.

Eph 6:2 is proof the Christian is obligated to the law that has the fifth commandment as the "First Commandment with a Promise" which of course is that unit of ten - the TEN Commandments

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Ephesians 6:2 is not about the sabbath.

Psalm 95 is OT

Hebrews was a lot of OT because it was written to Hebrews.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

--- I think we have finally gotten our differences narrowed down

hardly, I expect.
When someone first starts being Jesus sheep, there's a lifetime of false ideas, false teachings, lies and doctrines of demons to overcome throughout their life.
It seems the false teaching about the sabbath is one of the last deceptions of the enemy to be overcome.
Before that, as a sheep follows the Shepherd Jesus,
there's a lot of other falsehoods that require being taken care of,
that often aren't even addressed themselves for many years as they are trained by the Master. They are usually not even known about, not until the Father reveals them.

If a sheep is shown 500 wolves facing them, all at once,
they might not keep their eyes on the Shepherd and might be too fearful to follow Jesus.

Remember how little it took to scare Peter, one of the first apostles taught directly by Jesus ?
Think then how scared people are today, when everything they learned and trusted and believed in all their lives is challenged !

Unless the Father grants it, they never progress, and they never learn from Him.
In the meantime, Jesus doesn't give up on them, nor make them feel ashamed nor embarrassed for trusting Him.. ... ... but comforts, nurtures, disciplines, chastises, purifies, and trains them perfectly all along the way , a Perfect Shepherd,
if they trust and rely on Him and as He says, endure to the end.....

 

[bugkiller]

Yes they do

--- I think we have finally gotten our differences narrowed down

MK 2:27 is used in context - and in Matt 28 Jesus said his teaching is for whole world

Why do you still try to misinform me and others? Where did Jesus command the Sabbath to be kept?

Those who have a "not the teaching of Jesus" Gospel - have "another gospel".

What on earth are you blabbering about? Maybe Jesus said keep the 7th day Sabbath? Where?

Heb 4 says Sabbath rest and quotes the actual 4th commandment - stating that the SAME Sabbath 'remains" as was valid in Psalms 95 -- the 7th day Sabbath.

No sir. Heb 4 says nothing about the 7th day Sabbath. You have to divorce the phrase Sabbath rest which is a single word in the Greek to even come close. Sabbath rest isn't the Sabbath nor is it referencing the 7th day Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11.

Amazing that you'd mention Ps 95 when it plainly says they won't enter His rest even while they kept the 7th day Sabbath.

Ex 20:11 has to do with God as creator - the SAME God as is in Jeremiah 31:31-33 NC.

So what's yer point?

Eph 6:2 is proof the Christian is obligated to the law that has the fifth commandment as the "First Commandment with a Promise" which of course is that unit of ten - the TEN Commandments

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

No we don't require the law to be kept while or when we acknowledge the law exists and no longer has jurisdiction.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Rev 14:12 - "the saints KEEP The Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.


1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

No we don't require the law to be kept while or when we acknowledge the law exists and no longer has jurisdiction.
bugkiller

Rebellion against God's Law is contrasted with the saints in Romans 8


Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[BobRyan]

I am sorry but you have yet to show the the Rev 21 "New Heavens and New Earth" mentioned in Is 66:23 is in the OT and not the NT. Sadly for your preferences - this point is irrefutable.

So also the NT statement by Christ "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27.

And "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.

And "Worship Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and springs of water" Rev 14:7

"For in Six days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them" Ex 20:11

The TEN Commandment unit in which the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2



You have yet to refute those texts - and "yes" they do prove the Ten Commandments - including the Sabbath are still valid in the NT.

No they don't.

Yes they do

--- I think we have finally gotten our differences narrowed down

MK 2:27 is used in context - and in Matt 28 Jesus said his teaching is for whole world

Those who have a "not the teaching of Jesus" Gospel - have "another gospel".



Heb 4 says Sabbath rest and quotes the actual 4th commandment - stating that the SAME Sabbath 'remains" as was valid in Psalms 95 -- the 7th day Sabbath.

Ex 20:11 has to do with God as creator - the SAME God as is in Jeremiah 31:31-33 NC.

Eph 6:2 is proof the Christian is obligated to the law that has the fifth commandment as the "First Commandment with a Promise" which of course is that unit of ten - the TEN Commandments

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Why do you still try to misinform me

hint: the Bible is not "misinformation"

Where did Jesus command the Sabbath to be kept?

Jesus did not teach rebellion against the Bible - but rather obedience.

Read Matthew 5

Matt 5 Jesus says - 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - will not find comfort in Matt 5:19 - rather he will be confused by it.

What on earth are you blabbering about?
bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Rev 14:12 - "the saints KEEP The Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.


1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Anyone see a 10 in front of all the verses Bob has presented? This is because John never intended for there to be a 10 there. Sabbath thumpers are the ones that put a bogus 10 in front of commandments. John plainly tells us what the commands we Christians are under in 1Jn3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Matthew 24:11
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Yes, SDAism has one. Many has she deceived.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Could you guys please cut back on the bold red and big fonts. It really does hurt my eyes reading it. I don't mind it unbolded.

 

[bugkiller]

<snip>

Nothing but the same continued misrepresentation I will no linger repost for you.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

<snip>

Just more rehashed spam.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Just more rehashed spam.
bugkiller

Indeed you are posting more spam

 

[BobRyan]

Could you guys please cut back on the bold red and big fonts. It really does hurt my eyes reading it. I don't mind it unbolded.

Sorry for the pain - but it does help to point out the very details in the text that are 'most to be avoided' by some snip posts

 

[BobRyan]

Rev 14:12 - "the saints KEEP The Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Rebellion against God's Law is contrasted with the saints in Romans 8

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Anyone see a 10 in front of all the verses Bob has presented?

That is an amazing "take away" gloss-over of every detail in the scriptures quoted.

Heb 4 says Sabbath rest and quotes the actual 4th commandment - stating that the SAME Sabbath 'remains" as was valid in Psalms 95 -- the 7th day Sabbath.

Ex 20:11 has to do with God as creator - the SAME God as is in Jeremiah 31:31-33 NC.

Eph 6:2 is proof the Christian is obligated to the law that has the fifth commandment as the "First Commandment with a Promise" which of course is that unit of ten - the TEN Commandments

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith?? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31


Matt 5 Jesus says - 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[BobRyan]

I read it all.
I'll keep it brief.
In Revelation, talking about the New Heaven and New Earth is in the future, when Jesus comes back.

Hmmm - so even you admit that it is after the cross - for all eternity.

Is 66:22-23 - speaking of the NEW heavens and NEW Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"