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God's Commandments include the TEN Commandments in the NT

BobRyan

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And lets not forget the NEW Covenant - itself!! (From Jer 31:31-33)

And still "the same" in Hebrews 8 --

Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete
 
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Hello Bob.

Your reply started with the following quotation.
Did you notice what your quotation is stating Bob, that Gentiles 'do not have the law'.

The Gentiles were never under the law and never will be. Gentiles as the name implies are not Jewish, hence Gentiles
were not the recipients of the law given at Mt Sinai. Where did you get the idea that Gentiles were under the law?
 
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If you mean to imply that the old and new covenants are identical, my question to you is why do you ignore most of the commandments in the old covenant?

BobRyan may have meant to imply that, but I would say the opposite.

The New Covenant is not the same as the Sinai covenant of bondage, from Galatians chapter 4.

Take a look at the link below to see my opinion of the matter.


http://www.truthorfables.com/menu/subjectsa-1a.html

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Thank you for the excellent response. Unfortunately, I doubt that Bob Ryan will address my question.
I agree. It would certainly depart from the historical record of this forum. His purpose is only to evangelize those not of his persuasion.

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Yup.... I agree 9/10ths of the 10 are essentially valid for Christians (and covered by the Law of Love).



I have to keep your quote. This is the cleanest, shortest best definition I have heard yet.
 
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Don't you have an open thread about aliens, the Bible and Satan in relation to Rev 12?

I can't believe a word you write about the 10 Commandments, sorry.

Your theology is a mess when you start saying that God created aliens to decieve the world through the Anti-Christ and believe it, as though it were fact and going to happen.
 
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There is a rather long discussion on Israel and Judah of the flesh...those who have not come to Jesus.
That is probably why their enemies surround them w/o help from Yahweh?........

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/national-israel-is-cursed-forever.7459656/

Mk 11:
11And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.
12And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter forever. And his disciples heard it.


The nation of Israel at one time in world history was representive of Gods covenant people here on earth and had many spiritual advantages over and above all other nations of the world..rom 3:

1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.


The oracles of God, meaning in short, important spiritual matters of the True God..

rom 9:
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;


Much had been given to them as a nation in order to preserve her seperated from all other nations, in order for the messiah, to be born under Gods Law, to die the accursed for the seed of abraham..

Now Israels history as the special covenant people of God is riddled with unfaithfulness to God and apostacy, however, God tolerated her exisitnce up unto the promised seed was born, lived and died under the Law..

After the death of christ, of which national Israel was the chief culprit in bringing about, God Judged that nation as unworthy of eternal life acts 13:

45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.


This is here a final confirmation of God rejecting and leaving israel, the etnic jews under His Judgement..

This is confirmed too in matt 21:
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


israel as a nation , ethnic wise, had lost her distinction and spiritual privileges of being that nation that represented the kingdom of God on earth, and that privilege was being granted to a nation, the gentile church, which would bear that precious spiritual fruit unto God..This is too expressed in rom 11:

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

They have been cast away..and this casting away is final, as far as nationally is concerned, but not individually..but national Israel who, because of her favoured position, should have bore fruit, because of the outward advantages, which the fig tree indicated, but did not bear fruit, God cursed that nation, and that forever..

14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

National Israel will never again have spiritual significance in this world, all those advantages are forever forfieted, but this was always part of Gods eternal plan and purpose for that people..

matt 21:
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
It was the Lords doings, and as the wise man says:

National Israel's rejection and curse is final.[/quote]


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Excellent post lloj. I hope many reread it very slowly.

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Don't you have an open thread about aliens, the Bible and Satan in relation to Rev 12?

Indeed - Satan was not born in New Jersey -- he comes from some place else.

Same with popular ghost stories - those evil spirits as 1 Sam 28 points out - are in fact demons.

I can't believe a word you write about the 10 Commandments, sorry.

The ease with which you choose to ignore sola-scriptura discussion on Bible truths that you reject... noted.

Your theology is a mess when you start saying that God created aliens to decieve the world

You are not quoting me ... you are quoting "you". No wonder you reject your statement.

through the Anti-Christ and believe it, as though it were fact and going to happen.

1 John 2 affirms that antichrist is coming.

2Thess 2 says it this way --

9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Your suggestion that we mock and dismissed the Bible - noted... but not taken seriously.
 
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Heb 8 (Jer 31:31-33)

ccasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,


“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God
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And they shall be My people.
11 “And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For all will know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”


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Excellent point - Jeremiah and the Apostle Paul!!
 
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Excellent point -- D.L. Moody!
 
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Excellent point - C.H. Spurgeon
 
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This passage agrees with my point.

Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete

He is saying the Old Covenant that He made with their fathers will be NOT be the New Covenant. And He has made the first covenant obsolete.

Good verse.
 
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It shows that both are made with Israel.

It shows that the NEW Covenant has the LAW of God - known to Jeremiah - written on the heart and mind.

There was indeed a national covenant at Sinai - that ends about the time when the Jewish nation rejects Christ.

But as even the pro-sunday scholarship points out - the Ten Commandments are the moral law of God "made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27 just as was the Sabbath.
 
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I am sola-scriptura 100%.

Now, the fact is I do not believe in aliens. The Bible doesn't support it.

Demons have no form, aliens would have form.

Now explain how demons are aliens, ect...
 
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