God Made This

[USincognito]

And I don't see how a fish became a kangaroo.

Your personal incredulity does not effect the evidence one iota. The ancestor of African lungfish and red kangaroos lived about 410 million years ago. That's a lot of time for evolution to occur.

 

[USincognito]

I want to skip to origins..

Of course. That's a typically dishonest tactic that Creationists employ to avoid discussing the mountains of evidence for evolution. It's also a rather transparent one.

This is why scientists have turned their gaze to "space".

That is false. Abiogenesis is area of study that continues to produce tantalizing hints as to the chemical origin of life on earth.

 

[USincognito]

Can you answer the questions instead of dodging them?

Apologetics training 101 - never answer a question because then you can get pinned down. Instead always ask more questions and/or change the subject.

 

[USincognito]

they are still kangaroo so its not realy evolution of a new family\kind.

Please provide us with a scientifically useful definition of "kind" that has both explanatory and predictive power.

 

[USincognito]

What did the continents look like (formation) when Kangaroo's first appeared?

Since they evolved from quadropedal Diprotodonts about 25 million years ago, not too different from what it looks like today. India hadn't quite yet slammed into Asia though.

 

[USincognito]

not even close:

{snip evolution news}.

You mean the Discovery Institute doesn't think that Behe has been refuted? SHOCKING!

 

[USincognito]

Well, it seems that kangaroos that hopped would have only evolved about 15 million years ago (source) and at that time, the world was in pretty much the same arrangement as it is today. Only a few minor differences.

Thanks for that. I thought an earlier reference said 25 million years.

 

[Kylie]

As I've said to others, you're wasting your only life entering in a thread with the title "God made this" with the position you hold as an Atheist.

If you're a progressive humanist, I suggest you get started on your experiment to prove your theory.

The majority of 7 billion people is what you're up against.

Ah, so if I started a thread with a picture of a kangaroo titled "Evolution made this" then that would count as evidence for evolution then?

 

[Kylie]

I've answered this more than once, but I'll be glad to do it again.

Had God just removed the sinners in a moment of time, then there would not have been any chance for them to make a deathbed conversion.

As the waters rose, I'm sure Noah's preaching about righteousness came to their minds, and they shouted out for forgiveness.

Even Peter, when he started to sink, cried out ...

Matthew 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

There's an old saying:

There are no atheists in foxholes.

Are you suggesting that giving them such a chance before God blinked them into nothingness was beyond God's ability?

 

[Nithavela]

Old Testament saints looked forward to the Cross; New Testament saints look back at the Cross.

Doesn't exactly answer my question.

 

[Colter]

One has to wonder why God didn't just teleport all the wicked people into nothingness instead of the whole flood thing. Seems like making a flood just made more work for himself.

Kyle, I can explain. The creators of the creation story had faith but were ignorant of the evolution of life. They were however aware of the ancient, fragmented and well known story of Adam and Eve in Mesopotamian lore. The motive for writing, or rather rewriting their history, was to create a comprehensive spudo-biographical narrative for the dejected and scattered Israelite audience. In doing so they sought to trace their bloodlines back to who they presumed were the first humans.

* Unable to trace their bloodlines back to Adam the Hebrew priest decided to just drown the whole world in it's own wickedness.

* Adam and Eve arrived on a populated earth as evidenced within the conflicted story itself wherein Cain fears other tribes when he leaves his parents.

* The creators of the creation story made no claim of divine inspiration, that happened later after the return when the later priest class need to establish their authority.

* Your common sense observation is correct, God does not now, nor has he ever, nor will he ever, regret something he created, destroy it all only to have the same thing happen again.

* The Bible has obvious flaws but some sects of Christianity make a fetish or golden calf out of it. In fear they defend things that are obviously flawed to people outside of the bubble.

 

[Colter]

Are you suggesting that giving them such a chance before God blinked them into nothingness was beyond God's ability?

Sorry to barge in but, I believe that supernatural events did occur, but then fearful, primitive man speculated as to the meaning of those events. He then hardens his speculation and subsequent conjecture into a comprehensive doctrine. So when any future supernatural events occur, such as a prophet of truth who may come into conflict with their old speculation, the new truth is viewed with great superstition, even evil. The prophets of new truth are always met with resistance, persecution and even death by the adherents of the old order.


"I have told you these things so that you will not fall away. They will put you out of the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. They will do these things because they have not known the Father or Me. But I have told you these things so that when their hour comes, you will remember that I told you about them. I did not tell you these things from the beginning, because I was with you."

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you suggesting that giving them such a chance before God blinked them into nothingness was beyond God's ability?

God could have done it any way He wanted.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The chronology of earths creation is in plain text.

And cosmology, geology and evolutionary biology don't support its order.

So much the worse for Genesis. The chronology of the earth is in plain earth.

Are you wanting to know when "in the beginning" was on the Gregorian calendar?

That would be grand. I would also accept Julian calendar, Jewish calendar, Vikram Samvat, etc.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Ah, so if I started a thread with a picture of a kangaroo titled "Evolution made this" then that would count as evidence for evolution then?

Until you can demonstrate that life comes from non-life evolution "made" nothing.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

So much the worse for Genesis. The chronology of the earth is in plain earth.

If we are on a flat plane (flat earth) geology falls apart because cosmology falls apart. Therefor dates are fiction as are great distances e.g. the Sun, and also Stars aren't super big and super far away.

That would be grand. I would also accept Julian calendar, Jewish calendar, Vikram Samvat, etc.

(flat earth) calendar = around 6000 + years.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Since they evolved from quadropedal Diprotodonts about 25 million years ago, not too different from what it looks like today. India hadn't quite yet slammed into Asia though.

So Geology (plate tectonics) (Dating of fossils) is your bedrock to support your claim.

Flat earth destroys this.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Thanks for that. I thought an earlier reference said 25 million years.

Guess you can be wrong even to your scientists.

Nice demonstration of fallibility, much like the theories you believe.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Your personal incredulity does not effect the evidence one iota. The ancestor of African lungfish and red kangaroos lived about 410 million years ago. That's a lot of time for evolution to occur.

Is it? Still haven't seen non-life produce life.

Do you need more time?

Perhaps an Eternal creator.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Of course. That's a typically dishonest tactic that Creationists employ to avoid discussing the mountains of evidence for evolution. It's also a rather transparent one.

There is still no demonstrable evidence of Kind becoming another Kind.
There is still no demonstrable evidence of non-life becoming life.

Not going to happen in your life time, not in mine.

That is false. Abiogenesis is area of study that continues to produce tantalizing hints as to the chemical origin of life on earth.

Oh really, hints.

OK.

Until its demonstrated you can keep your hints.