God Made This

[I'm_Sorry]

Yeah, if you are going to say that geology and cosmology are wrong, then maybe a scientific discussion isn't the place for you.

Actually it needs another thread.

Post it and I'll converse.

 

[lesliedellow]

Are you under the impression that anything posted is evidence?

Evidence is in the eye of the beholder. One Jury will convict somebody of some heinous crime; then new facts come to light, and the appeal court acquits him.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

No. Does my position collapse if I don't know everything?

In "The Ancestor's Tale", I believe, there is a hypothetical way it could have happened. Amino acids can act as a catalyst - making chemical reactions occur much faster, but without being used up. For example, you can have an amino acid that takes molecule A and molecule B and joins them to form molecule C. Without this amino acid, the reaction to make C would be very slow, but this amino acid speeds up the process. Because it takes molecules A and B to make C, we might call this amino acid Abcase.

Now, what if molecule C and Abcase are the same thing? Each time an abcase joins molecule A to molecule B, it's making more abcase. It's replicating itself. And any subtle changes could make abcase more efficient or less efficient at replicating. And thus natural selection would act, and abcase would evolve. But the starting point - a few amino acids - are easy to get from non-living materials.

So we could start with non-living materials, which form amino acids, which then form replicating molecules, which are acted on by natural selection and evolution. It is then quite plausible that as they improved themselves (the whole natural selection bit), they started using other molecules, eventually getting to RNA and then to DNA. And whallah! Life!

Hypothetical, of course, but completely plausible.

But not proven.

I'll await your lab results and peer reviewed paper.

 

[Kylie]

Are you under the impression you can have the highest regard of evidence and expect me to do the same, when I have the dictionary view of evidence?

There's a whale in my local swimming pool.

Therefore there is evidence that there's a whale in my local swimming pool.

Therefore, there's a whale in my local swimming pool. Case closed! It's a fact!

 

[Left]

Anyway, I'm more a spectator in this thread who passes by and provides jokes for much-needed comic relief.

I feel like I can't stop myself from arguing at times too. I mean, some of the people in this thread state some unusual arguments.

 

[Kylie]

Actually it needs another thread.

Post it and I'll converse.

I'll leave that to you. If you think that cosmology and geology are wrong, then it's your position to defend, and thus your thread to start.

 

[Kylie]

But not proven.

I'll await your lab results and peer reviewed paper.

And I'll await the same evidence for your God.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

And I'll await the same evidence for your God.

As I've said to others, you're wasting your only life entering in a thread with the title "God made this" with the position you hold as an Atheist.

If you're a progressive humanist, I suggest you get started on your experiment to prove your theory.

The majority of 7 billion people is what you're up against.

 

[AV1611VET]

One has to wonder why God didn't just teleport all the wicked people into nothingness instead of the whole flood thing. Seems like making a flood just made more work for himself.

I've answered this more than once, but I'll be glad to do it again.

Had God just removed the sinners in a moment of time, then there would not have been any chance for them to make a deathbed conversion.

As the waters rose, I'm sure Noah's preaching about righteousness came to their minds, and they shouted out for forgiveness.

Even Peter, when he started to sink, cried out ...

Matthew 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

There's an old saying:

There are no atheists in foxholes.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Had God just removed the sinners in a moment of time, then there would not have been any chance for them to make a deathbed conversion.

That's very considerate. And one would assume that in becoming righteous God would save them and transport them onto the Ark?

As the waters rose, I'm sure Noah's preaching about righteousness came to their minds, and they shouted out for forgiveness.

Hmmm, so either there were no shouts for forgiveness (seems unlikely, but if correct then KTS's point stands) or God didn't save the righteous....

Even Peter, when he started to sink, cried out ...

And he was saved. Shame about those thousands of others who weren't, eh?

There's an old saying:

There are no atheists in foxholes.

Which is a falsehood.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's very considerate.

It's called "mercy."

And one would assume that in becoming righteous God would save them and transport them onto the Ark?

Absolutely not.

They had reached the "point of no return," and it was time to go.

Where they ended up (Heaven or Hell) was up to them.

(seems unlikely, but if correct then KTS's point stands)

Not so.

1. Those who were not born-again and died in the Flood went to Hell.

2. Those who were not born again, but cried out for salvation as the waters were rising [eventually] went to Heaven.

In KTS' scenario, there was no chance for #2 to occur.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It's called "mercy."Absolutely not.

They had reached the "point of no return," and it was time to go.

That's a very convenient non-explanation. But you've ignored the problem with Peter - why was he pulled back from the brink but these others weren't? Let me guess - the answer involves one or more of these:
- double standards
- God's plans
- hand waving

 

[essentialsaltes]

Read it and see the chronological order.

Then ask your questions.

I've read it. It doesn't say when the earth was created. I assume you agree, or will you finally answer my question, and tell me when the earth was created, according to Genesis?

If not, we can agree that not all answers are in the Bible. We must look elsewhere for them.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

I've read it. It doesn't say when the earth was created. I assume you agree, or will you finally answer my question, and tell me when the earth was created, according to Genesis?

If not, we can agree that not all answers are in the Bible. We must look elsewhere for them.

The chronology of earths creation is in plain text.

And cosmology, geology and evolutionary biology don't support its order.

Are you wanting to know when "in the beginning" was on the Gregorian calendar?

 

[Ophiolite]

And I don't see how a fish became a kangaroo.

Can you explain to me why I should base my acceptance of scientific theory upon your self-declared ignorance?

I link visual presentations.

These are just personal views. I may be mistaken in holding some of them.

This is the science section of the forum. It is for discussion of science. In a serious discussion of science there are certain expectations:
1. Opinion, anecdote and speculation may be interesting, but are generally irrelevant.
2. When an assertion is made the author of the assertion should provide supporting argument or evidence if requested to do so. If the assertion is inconsistent with the current consensus view they should do so without being asked.
3. Evidence is ideally material reported in peer reviewed articles in reputable journals.
4. There are a large number of high quality YouTube videos, delivered by experts, that could be considered demonstrations, or explanations of the evidence. They rarely merit the name "evidence".
5. Most YouTube videos fall far short.
6. It is impolite to post videos, or any link, without a summary of the contents of that link and a clear statement of how they relate to ones argument.

 

[Nithavela]

Had God just removed the sinners in a moment of time, then there would not have been any chance for them to make a deathbed conversion.

A deathbed conversion to what?

I thought that the whole "everything is forgiven once you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour" was only a possibility once Jesus was actually crucified?

 

[AV1611VET]

I thought that the whole "everything is forgiven once you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour" was only a possibility once Jesus was actually crucified?

Old Testament saints looked forward to the Cross; New Testament saints look back at the Cross.

 

[USincognito]

Why is it that all the examples in these argument from incredulity type claims are always cute and cuddly? Always "look at this lovely butterfly, look at this adorable quoka", never "look at this mighty plague bacillus, look at this awesome goblin shark". Just once I'd like to see someone make this argument for some organism you don't find in children's colouring books.

It's common among Creationists when they talk about "kinds" to stick to the barnyard or the petting zoo - horsies, moo cows and kitty cats. Start asking them about mollusks and the clam up all of a sudden.

 

[USincognito]

Scientific evidence for accepted theories has proven to be wrong.

Got any examples?

Missing link?

The use of outdated, 19th century terms like "missing link" is a sign that you don't really know as much about the subject as you think you do. The proper term is transitional fossil and we have tens of thousands of specimens from thousands of species. If you're specifically referring to hominids, we have hundreds of specimens from about 20 different species.

 

[Armoured]

It's common among Creationists when they talk about "kinds" to stick to the barnyard or the petting zoo - horsies, moo cows and kitty cats. Start asking them about mollusks and the clam up all of a sudden.

My personal goto is "who designed the mouthparts of a mosquito?" If you really wish to set the cat amongst the pigeons, there's any number of pure body horror stories from parasitic organisms, many of which make a far more compelling case for irreducible complexity than the mundane mammalian eye.