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God knows the end from the beginning....or does He?
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Can I ask you this:
Is there any risks in your life? If so, how can that be since God already knows the end from the beginning, including what you will or won't do. Doesn't that eliminate any risk involved in any choice you make?
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You are sometimes very hard to follow, have you been on drugs lately
How does my personal risk taking correlate in any way to what Jesus was doing on earth?
As far as this general topic is concerned, I think we can all agree on the following
GOD DOES KNOW THE END FROM THE BEGINNING
now that brings us to another topic
PROPHECIES
What did prophecies regarding Jesus represent?
a) were they promises BY GOD for the people to know what will happen?
or
b) were these merely guidelines for Jesus to know what to achieve when on earth? with a possible risk that these things might not happen?
IMHO prophecies are events of the future described before they are gonna happen...
So how is there any risk involved
tell me, what would have been the possible consequences if Jesus had failed? in that case many of Gods prophecies would have failed, if that were the case would God be a liar? like promising things He couldnt keep? Is that what youre implying?
anyway
as far as personal risk is involved I could try and answer that but I think that would go far here and I am afraid that I wouldnt even be able to express myself correctly and honestly and in the end who can really make a judgment like that but you would be really surprised how much risk is involved when God is in your life... I leave the answer to your imagination... which I am sure you have a vivid one... or maybe not...
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You are sometimes very hard to follow, have you been on drugs lately
How does my personal risk taking correlate in any way to what Jesus was doing on earth?
I'm not hard to follow if you would simply answer the question instead of trying to read my next move
I like to ask questions in a manner that leads one to a particular goal. That question was just the first of a few. If you don't mind answering it, then maybe you'll get to see where I was trying to go.
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Because God put no statement in the Scriptures stating that tall73 would be successful.
He did with Jesus. This should be obvious.
Does God know already what will happen to me? Yes. I just don't, being human and not Divine.
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I'm not hard to follow if you would simply answer the question instead of trying to read my next move
I like to ask questions in a manner that leads one to a particular goal. That question was just the first of a few. If you don't mind answering it, then maybe you'll get to see where I was trying to go.
You are really clever, inherited or acquired?
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thats true!
besides it is the Holy Spirit who takes over...
it is like sending Joseph down to Egypt, could he have failed? yes, he could have gotten into the wife's bed, he even could have been killed in prison and stuff, why should God take such a risk or getting one of the twelve tribes fathers killed...
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I'm sorry, but that doesn't make much sense to me. God knows exactly what you will or won't do. He knows if you will or won't be successful at whatever you do in this life. His stating that fact won't change anything. So how does the exclusion of this statement, even though God still knows what they will be, change anything?
Are you saying that Had the scriptures simply not said a word about the coming of Christ, that then, the idea of risk would be acceptable?
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I'm really getting the feeling that you don't actually believe in free choice, but rather, in an illusion of free will.
It's not about God "taking a chance" on anyone. It's about people being free to decide to follow God wholly, or to do their own thing.
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If God already knows before He sends Him that He will be successful then it cannot possibly be a risk. Or else He didn't really know.
I am saying if God had not known then you could say there was risk. Because at the point God send Him there would be doubt about what would happen. But God did know, AND tell us ahead of time, and there was no doubt about what would happen at the point He sent Him.
If you know something bad is going to happen ahead of time (God sending His Son not working) you won't do it (God wouldn't send Him).
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thats the one!
just btw
there is also the attack of the unbeliever on New Jerusalem, is there any chance they will actually succeed?
If we were to follow stryders reasoning that might actually be the case
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None of this answered my question. You said that there was no risk for Christ because God said what would happen, and yet there is risk for you because God has not said what would or would not happen with you. I'm asking how that makes any sense considering whether or not God speaks what will happen, He still knows what will happen.
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It's like saying that Lucifer would have had to have at least a chance to defeat "God"...
...When there was "war in heaven".
...Otherwise the war in heaven was a mockery and farce.
...When there was "war in heaven".
...Otherwise the war in heaven was a mockery and farce.
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