God knows science ?

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The OT is replete with references to 6 & 7. In NT times, Jesus has been "numerologically" associated with the number "888" (much as emperor Nero is usually acknowledged to be the "666" of Revelations). Early Christian communities associated themselves with the symbol of the fish, which resembles the number "8" as well as the symbol for "infinity" (not to mention the "Age of Pisces [the fish]" which began about the time of Christ). Certainly today, most Asians associate the number "8" with "infinity" and hence good luck, so I understand.

Now, nature is built on "integers", namely the chemical elements defined by integer numbers of protons in their nuclei. The numbers 6/7/8 <--> Carbon/Nitrogen/Oxygen. This strikes this writer as a reference to CNO, the elements which are most necessary for terrestrial bio-chemistry (the chemistry of life on Earth). Moreover, and arguably relatedly (according to Astronomers), CNO is also a primary stellar nuclear "chemistry" fusion pathway in the cores of stars.

And, of course, Jesus Christ is described as the "one and only" begotten son of God in heaven, the "one and only" way to the "one and only" Kingdom of heaven. Repetitive references to the number 1 <--> Hydrogen, the most common element of nature, one of the most common in terrestrial organisms, and the starting point for all more complex elements. Everything "in the heavens", clear across the Cosmos, began & begins with 1 <--> H. Furthermore, Jesus ("888" <--> Oxygen, "the one" <--> Hydrogen) is repetitively described throughout the NT as the "flowing river of water of life". Chemically, water is H20, composed of Hydrogen & Oxygen.

This writer therefore perceives Christian Scriptures to incorporate numerological references to terrestrial bio-chemistry, nuclear physics, astronomy, astrophysics & cosmology.

Hebrew Gematria also associates the name of God, "YHWH", with the number 26. "Y" is the 10th letter of the Hebrew aleph-beth, H the 5th, and W the 6th, so that "YHWH" = 10+5+6+5 = 26. Prima facie, 26 is a reference to iron (Fe), the 26th element of nature, and the one specific particularly special element having the maximum nuclear binding energy per nucleon. More specifically, that honor belongs to the isotope of iron having 26 protons and 56 total nucleons (Fe-56). The Gematriac references to 26, 5 & 6 strikes this author as a plain reference to Fe-56, the most stable element of nature, and the ultimate end product of all nuclear (fission & fusion) processes. Prima facie, "God in heaven" is claiming to be the paragon of stability and the ultimate end (in the far distant future) of all of nature. Cp. Jesus Christ is associated with "888" and "infinity".

I even understand that some physicists may draw inspiration from Scripture, in developing 10 dimensional String Theory to unify all of physics. And of course the "Omni-directional wheel" developed at NASA was inspired by the Book of Ezekiel's description of "wheels within wheels".

Furthermore, the Parable of the Rich Man Entering Heaven (Matt 19, Mark 10) appears to envision a fully laden caravan camel, burdened with copious baggage, trying to squeeze through a narrow gate into some first century Judean town. The camel & driver must ditch all of the baggage "and get a close shave" before barely being able to squeeze through "into heaven".

To this writer, that is an apt description of a Space-X rocket launch. A Falcon-9 rocket may begin life on the launch pad weighing a million to two million pounds, but only a few percent of that can be escaped from Earth's deep gravity well "into heaven". Unless this writer misunderstands the (basic) rocket science (?), no human in the history of life on Earth, no matter how much wealth they think they have, will ever get more than a few percent of it "off world", out of Earth's gravitational clutches, and "into heaven". All the rest will have to be jettisoned forcefully along the way. Hence, the Parable of the Rich Man Entering 'Heaven' strikes this writer as a reference to rocket launches and the great power required to orbit payload.

For these & other reasons, this writer perceives Scripture to demonstrate a supra-humanly advanced scientific knowledge of "God in heaven", especially considering as it was first communicated to humans on Earth thousands of years ago, and we still have yet to unify physics with 10D String Theory and so are (plausibly) still missing a few more scientific technical references within the Bible.
 

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For these & other reasons, this writer perceives Scripture to demonstrate a supra-humanly advanced scientific knowledge of "God in heaven", especially considering as it was first communicated to humans on Earth thousands of years ago, and we still have yet to unify physics with 10D String Theory and so are (plausibly) still missing a few more scientific technical references within the Bible.
Of course the Creator of all had to have understood all.

We are given a RATIONAL UNIVERSE that can be explored and understood. Thank God! It "adds up."

Numerology is interesting, yet perhaps it is only to be expected that "things go together," God's creation is VERY FIT, "and He saw that it was good."

God knows and ALWAYS knew what science is exploring, the nature of the universe.

 
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"Numerology" is a trick of satan. It hides God.
There are, at least, two types of numerology,
  • Numeromancy, a type of fortune-telling (always bad),
  • Numerics, a specialty within mathematics tracking recurring patterns (often useful).
It is like the differences between astrology* & astronomy.
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The numerics that Panin discovered in the Bible do not change its fundamental message or themes. They function as supernatural checksums, so to speak.

*More accurately, astromancy
 
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In NT times, Jesus has been "numerologically" associated with the number "888"

False.

Early Christian communities associated themselves with the symbol of the fish

True, but only because ἰχθύς is an acronym.

which resembles the number "8" as well as the symbol for "infinity"

The symbol for "infinity" was invented in the 1600s.

Certainly today, most Asians associate the number "8" with "infinity"

False. In Chinese languages, "8" sounds like "prosper," that's all.

Now, nature is built on "integers"

Not really.

This writer therefore perceives Christian Scriptures to incorporate numerological references to terrestrial bio-chemistry, nuclear physics, astronomy, astrophysics & cosmology.

It really doesn't.
 
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The numerics that Panin discovered in the Bible do not change its fundamental message or themes. They function as supernatural checksums, so to speak.

They are nonsense, in fact. You really can't do gematria in an inflected language like Greek. And many of Panin's calculations, when you check them, turn out either to be wrong, or to work only because he edited the Scriptural text. In short, it's garbage.
 
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The ancient Greek spelling of "Jesus", used since the writings of St. Paul to Greek-speaking Jews & gentiles in the 1st century 2000 years ago, is "Iesous" = 10 + 8 + 200 + 70 + 400 + 200 = 888. This has supposedly been as obvious and well-known as "Nero Caesar" = 666, for at least as long (actually a few decades longer).
 
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It is like the differences between astrology & astronomy.
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Further, when some people hear a reference to the constellations Pisces or Aquarius, they may assume that the writer/speaker is promoting astrology. But all of the constellations (including those residing in the Zodiacal plane) are used in navigation and calendarics. (Astromancy is a misuse.)

According to Genesis 1:14-15, they were created
  • "for signs and
  • seasons, and
  • for days and
  • years;..."
 
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God created and made all things.
God gave men knowledge to discover the things He made and created.
God gave men knowledge of what to do with the things they discover.

Science is simply discoveries and applications of the discoveries, as categorized by men into particular fields of sciences.

Categorizing fields of sciences is useful.

It is the applications
of how one uses the discoveries, which is awesome to some and disturbing to some.

God Bless,
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The OT is replete with references to 6 & 7. In NT times, Jesus has been "numerologically" associated with the number "888" (much as emperor Nero is usually acknowledged to be the "666" of Revelations). Early Christian communities associated themselves with the symbol of the fish, which resembles the number "8" as well as the symbol for "infinity" (not to mention the "Age of Pisces [the fish]" which began about the time of Christ). Certainly today, most Asians associate the number "8" with "infinity" and hence good luck, so I understand.

Now, nature is built on "integers", namely the chemical elements defined by integer numbers of protons in their nuclei. The numbers 6/7/8 <--> Carbon/Nitrogen/Oxygen. This strikes this writer as a reference to CNO, the elements which are most necessary for terrestrial bio-chemistry (the chemistry of life on Earth). Moreover, and arguably relatedly (according to Astronomers), CNO is also a primary stellar nuclear "chemistry" fusion pathway in the cores of stars.

And, of course, Jesus Christ is described as the "one and only" begotten son of God in heaven, the "one and only" way to the "one and only" Kingdom of heaven. Repetitive references to the number 1 <--> Hydrogen, the most common element of nature, one of the most common in terrestrial organisms, and the starting point for all more complex elements. Everything "in the heavens", clear across the Cosmos, began & begins with 1 <--> H. Furthermore, Jesus ("888" <--> Oxygen, "the one" <--> Hydrogen) is repetitively described throughout the NT as the "flowing river of water of life". Chemically, water is H20, composed of Hydrogen & Oxygen.

This writer therefore perceives Christian Scriptures to incorporate numerological references to terrestrial bio-chemistry, nuclear physics, astronomy, astrophysics & cosmology.

Hebrew Gematria also associates the name of God, "YHWH", with the number 26. "Y" is the 10th letter of the Hebrew aleph-beth, H the 5th, and W the 6th, so that "YHWH" = 10+5+6+5 = 26. Prima facie, 26 is a reference to iron (Fe), the 26th element of nature, and the one specific particularly special element having the maximum nuclear binding energy per nucleon. More specifically, that honor belongs to the isotope of iron having 26 protons and 56 total nucleons (Fe-56). The Gematriac references to 26, 5 & 6 strikes this author as a plain reference to Fe-56, the most stable element of nature, and the ultimate end product of all nuclear (fission & fusion) processes. Prima facie, "God in heaven" is claiming to be the paragon of stability and the ultimate end (in the far distant future) of all of nature. Cp. Jesus Christ is associated with "888" and "infinity".

I even understand that some physicists may draw inspiration from Scripture, in developing 10 dimensional String Theory to unify all of physics. And of course the "Omni-directional wheel" developed at NASA was inspired by the Book of Ezekiel's description of "wheels within wheels".

Furthermore, the Parable of the Rich Man Entering Heaven (Matt 19, Mark 10) appears to envision a fully laden caravan camel, burdened with copious baggage, trying to squeeze through a narrow gate into some first century Judean town. The camel & driver must ditch all of the baggage "and get a close shave" before barely being able to squeeze through "into heaven".

To this writer, that is an apt description of a Space-X rocket launch. A Falcon-9 rocket may begin life on the launch pad weighing a million to two million pounds, but only a few percent of that can be escaped from Earth's deep gravity well "into heaven". Unless this writer misunderstands the (basic) rocket science (?), no human in the history of life on Earth, no matter how much wealth they think they have, will ever get more than a few percent of it "off world", out of Earth's gravitational clutches, and "into heaven". All the rest will have to be jettisoned forcefully along the way. Hence, the Parable of the Rich Man Entering 'Heaven' strikes this writer as a reference to rocket launches and the great power required to orbit payload.

For these & other reasons, this writer perceives Scripture to demonstrate a supra-humanly advanced scientific knowledge of "God in heaven", especially considering as it was first communicated to humans on Earth thousands of years ago, and we still have yet to unify physics with 10D String Theory and so are (plausibly) still missing a few more scientific technical references within the Bible.

I don't really understand this, but:
God created all things.
Science is about the discovery of how things work, (sort of, but I'm not a scientist.)
God knows how all things work, since he created them.
God gave people the ability to question, discover and study his creation.
God inspired the Bible to be written - a book which reveals God, his love, his will and his salvation to us. It was not written as a scientific textbook to tell us HOW God created.
God does not reveal himself by numbers or some sort of code; the truth is plainly written in Scripture and revealed in Jesus.
 
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I don't really understand this, but:
God created all things.
Science is about the discovery of how things work, (sort of, but I'm not a scientist.)
God knows how all things work, since he created them.
God gave people the ability to question, discover and study his creation.
God inspired the Bible to be written - a book which reveals God, his love, his will and his salvation to us. It was not written as a scientific textbook to tell us HOW God created.
God does not reveal himself by numbers or some sort of code; the truth is plainly written in Scripture and revealed in Jesus.

It is the nature of man to be intrigued by mystery, regardless of what it relates to.

Men like to "formulate", on how to, arrive at the "understanding" of the mystery, regardless of what it relates to.

Regarding God ~ there is no shortage of men who like to "formulate", everything about God, from what He is, to what He does, to what things about Him mean.

Gods formula is simple ~ Believe, Learn His Word, Ask Him and He will give you His hidden understanding.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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"the Pit" ?
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The Biblical image of "Hell" as a fiery pit seems similar to the scientific description of a Black Hole, "consuming" surrounding matter which gets heated to millions & billions of degrees.

A Black Hole is the most advanced "known to current human science" energy source. Throwing matter into a BH "furnace" would burn up whatever material object it was and extract up to 50% (maybe more?) of the "E=mc2" mass-energy content of all of the atoms & molecules. Almost as efficient as anti-matter, without having to generate or contain any.

Advanced intelligent species that have mastered fission & fusion power sources would plausibly begin to develop the even-more advanced "Black Hole drive" technology to power interstellar spacecraft.

Obviously, I myself do not know anything for certain. I'm simply suggesting, that the meaningful intelligible Visions of "fiery Hell" allegedly received, by Priests & Prophets on Earth, from God in heaven, appear to be consistent with a view "through the hatch" and "into a BH furnace", in the "main engineering section" of an advanced futuristic spaceship (say).

Truly advanced star-trekking Aliens might plausibly Arrive in some star system, and simply toss everything in sight "into the pit" of their BH "furnace", extracting almost the maximum theoretical amount of energy, without having to do any "cumbersome" materials processing.

Once again, it appears possible to align the allegedly-received Visions of "Prophetically Contacted persons" upon planet Earth, with far-human-futuristic science & technology. That may be surprising, considering that others attribute the same to their "primitive sub-conscious" neural activity.
 
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