God is NOT a liar. He will KEEP every promise He ever made.

[Clare73]

You are not accurately quoting Numbers 12:8, which actually says the very opposite of what you are claiming:

"I speak with him face to face, Even plainly, and not in dark sayings."

Not really.

He speaks with Moses face to face, not in dark sayings as he does other prophets.

 

[Biblewriter]

Not really.

He speaks with Moses face to face, not in dark sayings as he does other prophets.

But He also spoke, at times, in clear, plain, words. The scriptures most absolutely neither actually say, nor even imply, that all prophecy is delivered in dark sayings.

 

[Clare73]

But He also spoke, at times, in clear, plain, words.

The words couldn't be any clearer in the land promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and yet they were not literal, as the NT teaches in Hebrews 11:13-16.

As clear as those words were, it was still a riddle, not solved until done so 1900 years later by revelation in the NT teaching of Hebrews 11:13-16.

The scriptures most absolutely neither actually say, nor even imply, that all prophecy is delivered in dark sayings.

Who do you think told the prophets what to prophesy?

It's the same God who gives his prophecies in riddles, except when he speaks to Moses (Numbers 12:8).

 

[Clare73]

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[Dan Perez]

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And we all know why Christ spoke in dark saying , and Isa 6:1-13 says it all .

But in Matt 13:15 that if what Christ said and then believe Jesus would have to heal them , so Christ set Israel aside and then Paul TURNED to the Gentiles in Acts 28:27 and 28 .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

And we all know why Christ spoke in dark saying , and Isa 6:1-13 says it all .

But in Matt 13:15 that if what Christ said and then believe Jesus would have to heal them , so Christ set Israel aside and then Paul TURNED to the Gentiles in Acts 28:27 and 28 .

dan p

Your point?

 

[Dan Perez]

Your point?

And the point is that Israel has been set aside Isa 6:1-18 still counting .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

And the point is that Israel has been set aside Isa 6:1-18 still counting .

Not according to authoritative NT teaching.

God's gifts and irrevocable call (v.29) to Israel are being fulfilled as we speak, in a remnant chosen by grace (Romans 11:1-6, Romans 11:25).

 

[Dan Perez]

Not according to authoritative NT teaching.

God's gifts and irrevocable call (v.29) to Israel are being fulfilled as we speak, in a remnant chosen by grace (Romans 11:1-6, Romans 11:25).

And the NEW TESTAMENT / DIATHEKE Is not yet in effect .

I have yet to see the 12 apostles sitting on 12 thrones judging Israel ??

Are they coming from the EAST and the WEST to see Abraham , ISAAC and JACOB in the Kingdom of Heaven ?

The B O C is not part of the NEW COVENNANT , PERIOD !!

dan p

 

[BABerean2]

so Christ set Israel aside and then Paul TURNED to the Gentiles in Acts 28:27 and 28 .

I missed the part where Paul never preached again to the Jews.

Can you show us that in scripture?


1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

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[Dan Perez]

I missed the part where Paul never preached again to the Jews.

Can you show us that in scripture?


1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

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And fead 2 Cor 3:13 - 15 that vail is still over the heart of Israel .

Paul , then in verse 15 says how that vail is taken away .

Verse 16 reads what Moses wrote , that VAIL is shall be taken away .

What do you believe what happen next ?

dan p

 

[BABerean2]

And fead 2 Cor 3:13 - 15 that vail is still over the heart of Israel .

Paul , then in verse 15 says how that vail is taken away .

Verse 16 reads what Moses wrote , that VAIL is shall be taken away .

What do you believe what happen next ?

dan p

The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:1-5.

The VAIL has been taken away for the "remnant", which is the same "remnant" found in Romans 9:27.

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[Dan Perez]

The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:1-5.

The VAIL has been taken away for the "remnant", which is the same "remnant" found in Romans 9:27.

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And Rom 11 is really talking about Israel and NOT the Body of Christ , and in Rom 10:19 -21 all about Israel and many refuse to believe that Israel has been set aside for over 2000 years !!

dan p