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This article compares the Christian belief about God and the Muslim belief about God. It explores the question of whether or not the Christian belief that God is love can be found in Islam. The answer is no, and the article explains why.
As mentioned previously in the introduction, Allahu Muhibba or "God is love" is not found among the 99 names of God given in Islam. There is however, the name Al-Wadud or "the Loving One," which is found in Surah 11:90 as well as Surah 85:14. In each case the translator translates "full of loving kindness." This is interesting in itself since it indicates that this quality lies imbedded in the nature of God himself and of course would then be infinite. However, Islam is careful in stating that we cannot in any way know the nature of God. We can only know His will. The Arabic word "wadud" is related more to the area of friendship and affection. It is applied to one devoted in a relationship and expresses fondness. The word "hubb" carries a much more intense meaning and is used in its other grammatical forms for "beloved," "sweetheart," "courtship," "lover," and "mutual affection." It is also elastic, as our use of love in English, where one might express his love for sports, movies, food or other common day interests. However, any attribute when applied to God Himself then takes on an infinite value and meaning.

It is here that the Muslim reaches an impasse. The 99 names; are they to be taken as attributes or qualities of Allah? The doctrine of tawhid or the oneness of God claims priority over any other consideration of God. If one says that the 99 names are attributes of the Most High God and are then infinite, how then can God be One? If an attribute is a part of God then tawhid says that we have "shirk" or a partner with God, a heinous blasphemy against God who is One. Anything that is infinite must be God and how then can we have a multiplicity of gods?

Muslims are then driven to speak of the unity of God, but in reality they mean the "unicity" or absolute oneness of God. If God is One then He cannot have any parts. And to speak of attributes implies that God is somehow relying on His inward parts to sustain His existence. This can create misunderstanding between Christians, who are Trinitarian, and Muslims who are extreme monotheists. For the Christian, "unity" in reference to God implies a Oneness of the Three Persons of the Godhead. Any attribute of God is an expression of His nature and not simply a description of an action or command He has taken. Any action or command springs from His nature. Attributes may in no way compromise His unity. For the Muslim "unity" implies the absolute oneness of God's being. While "unicity" is not commonly used in English, Webster gives its definition as "the state of being unique." This word more accurately describes the Muslim use of unity. So any thinking of the attributes of God as being part of His nature is rejected in Muslim theology.

While we certainly concede that God is indeed unique, we contend with the Muslim in asking for a definition. "One what?" Their reply would be "One God, for God is unknowable except through His will. We can know nothing about the nature of God except through the command He has given through His prophet. We can only do His will, we cannot know Him."

Here is where the strongest point of difference is most pronounced between Christianity and Islam. The Qur'an is a revelation of God's will that is to be obeyed by His creation. The Bible is a revelation of the Person and character of God. It is here where we find what God is like and what that means in our relation to Him. God is Spirit, God is Light, God is Love, are all statements of the revelation of God's person and character. One of the problems in dealing with the attributes of an eternal God is: how was God expressing in action what was integral to His character when no creation yet existed? In other words, if God is One, who did God love when He was the only One existing? For the Christian the answer lies in the relationship that has always existed in the fellowship of the Trinity. A strict monotheism that is occupied with a number that knows no plurality cannot conceive of the inward nature of a loving God. A powerful God whose will must be obeyed in order to maintain his power, yes. But a risk-taking God who is limited by His own exercise of His nature, no.

So now we come to the crux of why we deemed it important to investigate the Qur'anic teaching on the love of God. What we have observed is that while the Qur'an tells of the love of God, in most cases it is expressed in a negative fashion, "God loves not ..." or it is based upon human conditions for its exercise. God loves the one who does good, the pure, the just, the trusting, the patient and persevering, the one who takes up arms to fight in God's cause. But where is there room for a God who initiates love in order to win over the lost and erring? Where is He who loved us while we were yet sinners? Where is there room for the one who was rich, yet for our sakes became poor so that we might be made rich? The contrast is too great to overlook. Could we not also reply that, yes, we too love those who do good and are just and demonstrate good qualities. But that would mean that God only expresses a human love if His love is based on conditions. A revelation of infinite love demands something of the extraordinary, something commiserate with the nature and character of God Himself. The cross is the only historical expression of that love.

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Interesting but I am not sure that the representation of Islam applies to all schools of Islamic philosophical theoloy.

I am Mulslim and believe in tawhid, three types in fact. The One God, one in unity, and one in worship (without partners, like statues, idols, dogs, cats, lucky charms etc).

Even the claim "you can only know God through his will", and I am no scholar, is easily set aside. There was a book on Imam al Siddiq (a shia leader) and there was a story of a convert from atheism who had asked to see God. He looked under the table and behind the door etc etc etc. The answer came "you have spiritual eyes, inner comprehension" and he allegedly convered.


In the koran there is much mention of "ayat" or signs, eg. in the boats sailing the seas laden with goods (an allusion to "fine tuning"?)...

Also in Shiism especially there is a pretty elaborate philosophical theology(s), although the Sunnis tend to just cut the noodling, follow traditions and get a job etc.

There's a saying in the Koran "God is closer that your jugular vein" and a traditional saying that perfection in worship (ihsan) involves worshipping God as if you see him even though you do not see him..

In fact anything you imagine God to be necessarily misses the point.

Yet, on the topic of love "God does not love the wrongdoers" IIRC, it says so in the koran. God loves only the pious (those with "taqua" - i.e. they are safeguarding themselves through caution against secular and religious harm by submitting to guidance). So even the Muslim who is a sinner, drinking and smoking etc, is not so much loved by God. God loves the clear minded, cancer free - is it that dizzy headedness and cancer expresses Gods love?

If another God "loves the sinner" - in a sense it can be argued that it would be pretty tough love, if love is defined as a caring relationship, and if its assumes that sin is a form of harm...

What they mean is the God will love you if you change your ways, which is IMHO the Islamic perspective.

Could be wrong though.

Its pretty neat logic in the koran imo. God doesn't guide the wrongdoers, neither does he love or like them. Fits in with what I know of moal logic and various inferences, ethics etc.




Thats my angle..
 
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This article compares the Christian belief about God and the Muslim belief about God. It explores the question of whether or not the Christian belief that God is love can be found in Islam. The answer is no, and the article explains why.
In the article(near the bottom) it said: ' A revelation of infinite love demands something of the extraordinary, something commiserate with the nature and character of God Himself.'
This nature and character of God is Truth.
Truth causes one to be loving. And Love causes one to be True.
Both love and truth share similar characteristics, because (unconditional) love is the expression (symptom) of Truth.
The characteristics that come to mind are: patient; consistent; reliable; supports reality, or is reality; doubtless; gentle; infinite or eternal; freedom or fearless; unity; service; etc.
Regardless of religion, if it is about Truth then it is about (unconditional) Love too.
 
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I was thinking "Is sacrifice essential to love"?
For me, the sacrifice is ego-self. That is, the self that fears its truth. The self that expresses everything that love is not, such as: fear, greed, envy, jealousy, anger, doubt, impatience, unforgiveness, etc.
 
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For the Christian the answer lies in the relationship that has always existed in the fellowship of the Trinity. A strict monotheism that is occupied with a number that knows no plurality cannot conceive of the inward nature of a loving God.
The fact that love is the ultimate reality and purpose means everything to me. I think love just comes with being perfect and infinite. A being that experiences joy in being perfect and an unlimited being who overflows himself in generosity.

Basically, the Trinity exists because God is conscious. It would be strange if God could not have an idea of himself. This idea is a perfect representation of its referent and it is infinite, because it has a divine thinker. Thus, God the Son is a divine person. The Father and Son love each other because God is not alienated from himself. The love that the Father and Son have for each other is fully divine and lacks nothing, including personhood.
 
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I was thinking "Is sacrifice essential to love"?
Yes, but love is not self-annihilating. Sacrificial love is meaningful to the one who sacrifices. It fulfills him to do it.
 
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Isn't love in the Christian sense an abstraction that has to be particularized to real individual human beings? If so, who cares that Islam doesn't identify God with "love"? Muslims identify God as being merciful- I should think that is good enough. Perhaps even better than merely being "love".
 
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So... I have the spirit in me, and this is indicated by a warm sensation in my chest. Is that spiritual hedonism? I am thinking much of this mysticism is maybe hedonistic. I have practiced meditation etc. Few worldly attachements. But theres a saying of "Jesus in Islam" (from a booklet), that the one who financially supports the worshipper is more of a worshipper than they are.
 
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So... I have the spirit in me, and this is indicated by a warm sensation in my chest. Is that spiritual hedonism? I am thinking much of this mysticism is maybe hedonistic. I have practiced meditation etc. Few worldly attachements. But theres a saying of "Jesus in Islam" (from a booklet), that the one who financially supports the worshipper is more of a worshipper than they are.
Joyful, loving thoughts and emotions should be cultivated and fully indulged. They lead to something simpler, more stable, and utterly peaceful on their own if we abide in them. There is something about the mind, it doesn't want to get stuck in anything, unless we really force it.

In a way, love is utterly selfish because it enjoys loving. Trying to purge joy out of love would be strange and unhealthy.
 
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Dear Living Word Unity. God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells us:
" The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." God wants our love, freely given and NO conditions made. In Matthew 7: 7-10: we read:
" ask and you shall receive," we ask God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. ( neighbour is all we know and all we meet, friends and no friends)
The Bible tells us:" Repent and be Born Again," we change from being selfish and unloving to loving and caring.
We keep asking and receiving, and change all love and joy with our neighbour. God sees our loving efforts, and God will bless us. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on loving and caring. The Holy Spirit will help and guide us, and Jesus our Saviour will lead us all the way: JESUS IS THE WAY.
Love is very catching, and love will help us to become gradually the men and women which God wants us to be:
LOVING AND CARING, HELPFUL AND ALWAYS FRIENDLY, being the men and women which God wants us to be.
I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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Joyful, loving thoughts and emotions should be cultivated and fully indulged. They lead to something simpler, more stable, and utterly peaceful on their own if we abide in them. There is something about the mind, it doesn't want to get stuck in anything, unless we really force it.

In a way, love is utterly selfish because it enjoys loving. Trying to purge joy out of love would be strange and unhealthy.
Well thats cool. But is it authentic? In Islam a muslim will love his brothers for Allahs sake. Everything for Allah. Secular people will love one another as world bound agents ,without further relation than this life.
 
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