gluadys said:
God has never depended on a book to communicate. God has always used people as communicators. Some of those people are preachers and teachers who help the unlearned understand difficult writings
. yes but i dont see y0ur point. and he did use a book to have it passed down so maybe it would NOT turn into a myth.
And the forms most used in that day were those most easily passed on through oral tradition: stories and poetry.
yes but they were written down. whether it is when the story was first told or not doesnt matter because GOD knows the TRUE story the WHOLE truth of the story and can have the SPirit tell this WHOLE truth to the one writting it down.
So who, besides yourself, is saying it is not truth? Every literary vehicle can speak truth.
no it cant. it can speak SOME truth or even the whole truth. but not ALL do. and a myth is one that does NOT speak the WHOLE turth of the event that happened that is written down or orally told. A myth is truth with untruth in it. God does not speak this way
We don't have to determine which is truth and which is not. Everything the Spirit inspires is truth. The Spirit can speak truth through myth.
no he can not. IF he is ALL truth and cant speak a lie then it is ALL truth no matter what litterary form he uses. maybe i should say the truth being spoke is a factual accurate event that did happen as it is told by the writer.
We don't even have to determine which is myth and which is not. A great story can speak truth even if the reader is ignorant of literary labels. But knowing that a story is told in mythological form is an aide to a deeper understanding.
we sure do. if i think Christ life was a myth. then how can his saving grace come to me. It would merrely be a story to help me in life to be a better citizen. as in no afterlife.
So, do you believe the writers were not really writers? That they simply took dictation? Scripture itself contradicts this view.
they were writers but what they wrote is not what they wanted to write but what GOD told them or lead them to Write. So yes they in a way took dictation. the fact they wrote in a certain way according to how they wrote then is besides the point. it would not interfer or make them write a untruth or a extra part that is fabricated or exxagerated or whatever just because that is the way they orally made it. Goid is above this.
Whether the transmission of the story is oral or written, it is still God's story. So of course it is true. God doesn't need to "get beyond" anything to make it true. The point is that we tend to overvalue stuff in books, and forget that most people, in most places, in most times did not communicate through the written word. Because we have books, we tend not to discipline our memory to recall what we or others have written. So we tend not to understand what memory is capable of.
Again thuis is besides the point. it WAS written down so we go from there. doesnt matter how long it was orally past down.
And since we know that there never was a global flood, we know this is part of the story, not part of history.
Part of what story and part of what history. which part is which. you cant seem to tell me this. Is GOd and his plan and all of the way he worked a story, a myth. just to help us live better. a creation of some one. and is history JUST what we find in scientific evidence or even archeology.
The faith is in the trustworthiness of God's testimony in creation. All scientific truth comes from God, just as all scriptural truth comes from God. One cannot be truer than the other.
why not. one is GOds word the other is mans understanding or interpretations of what we NEVER saw happen. if you say mans interpretations are as true as Gods then how easy are you going to be mislead. seeing what the scripture says of man and how he thinks
I am not the one who is saying a literary form must be a form of lie. I quite agree that God cannot lie, and it makes no difference what literary form is used. God speaks truth in all of them.
yet you say it is a myth when it doesnt make it suggest it is. The deffinition i read says it is not complete truth, but partly truth partly lies(exaggerations or add ons which is the same thing). Do you say God let the writters do it this way JUST because that is how they used to do it.
Typical creationist remark. Just because you haven't checked out and understood a conclusion, you call it an assumption. Please learn the difference between these terms.
A assumption is guessing what it was in the past when we TRUELLY cant honestly say one way or another, no matter how much evidence might suggest it. I can assume my mom is a christian and will go to heaven but i honestly can not say for fact that is true because God only knows.
I can't tell you which part of scripture is true and which is not because it is ALL true. If God chooses to give you the truth in the form of a myth, are you going to call God a liar?
YES because a myth is not the whole truth and unless he says it is a story to make a point in life such as a parrable, or annology, ect. or unless he tells me which is true fact and which is the moral part by way of a untrue or made up story.
I am not the one who is saying it is not accurate. You are.
no you are because you say it is a myth not me. i say God cant lie by speaking of the history of man in a myth form. why would all the major peoples have a flood story all written in a different form and it not be a true story of what happened. it is true and only ONE is the actual true factual correct story of the event.
Right. Faith takes us beyond what we can prove, beyond evidence we can see. But faith does not consist of looking at what we do see and pretending it is not there. That is what the rejection of science is.
i do not reject science. i reject that it will answer all the answers of how God works or did work. It would take only One error of interpretation in science to get a lot of errors down the line. And to think the devil could not make science or those studing it come up with a wrong interpretation like he cant muddle this field, as if it is impenitrable by satan, so as all of it is uncorruptible.
Because myth = a kind of story. Sometimes in common speech we use the word to refer to something that is not true. But not when we use it of the bible. Or of many other ancient stories. Then we are talking about what kind of literature it is. Not whether it is true or false.
again how does this matter. the scriptures are HOLY not man made.
Every kind of literature can be used to teach truth or to spread falsehood. But when it comes from those inspired by the Holy Spirit, I, for one, believe it is true, God's truth.
NOt all of it, you said so yourself. if it deals with something science can determine or try to interpret you believe science over scripture. Or you will make the scriptures fit with the scientific results.
It is all truth--including the myths. So we don't have to decide what is and isn't true. We just need to learn it and obey it and treasure it.
MYTHS are NOT all TRUTH. it is a mike of false history and true history. There may be a "truth" to it BUT it is not a factual account of history and what really happened. This is why i ask you to tell me which part of the story of the flood is true and which is not. But i think you have. you say it was local not global. So i think it is just a matter of interpretation of the scriptures and what we think the signifacants is of it.
Why would you expect a trade-mark in the story? I said that identifying literary genres correctly comes through the study of literature.
This should not matter with scripture or holy scriptures i would think htose would be read in a different light then all other books. otherwise why would not the other religouse books all myths be just as correct and true as the bible.
A good point. So if YOU have a misconception---how is it helping you?
this idea of a myth being complete truth. i should say i would sayy a myth can give us a "truth" but NOT the complete accurate fact of the event it is speaking of. I believe the flood story being global is a factual accurate acount of the event. you think it is a myth account of a local flood to show a message God wants to express to us.