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[Raistlinorr]

I disagree. It is entirely possible to do science as a means of better understanding God. This is what I do. God says in the Scriptures that He comes to make Himself known through His Creation.
But if that's the way you're going to view it, then thank goodness people do "blindly follow science." Thanks to science, we have medicine, for example.


I don't know one scientist who does. Do you?


Agreed. But are you implying that we stop doing science?

As in medicine to you mean the mind altering drugs that do not cure the mental disorders but merely cover them up? Might as well give the ppl the name of the local dope dealer or have them grow the stuff themselves. Both remove the person from a true reality and put them into a faked one.

When ppl start saying that things in the bible are myth and only to teach a lesson I'ld say that kinda does it.

I'ld recomend leaving alot of things alone in science examples are stem cell research, cloning, altering DNA, chimiras. Yeah man has pretty much decided they can do what ever they like.
But how do you know that things had to be created the way they are to work? Meaning things had to be created already aged. Still it seems as if man is taking away or trying to take away the glory of God and replace it with their own.

God bless!
Raist

 

[Mallon]

As in medicine to you mean the mind altering drugs that do not cure the mental disorders but merely cover them up?

Yes. That is exactly what I meant. I was definitely NOT talking about vaccines against polio, cancer treatments, or cough medicine. Those are all miracles from God.

Still it seems as if man is taking away or trying to take away the glory of God and replace it with their own.

It seems that for you, the glass will always be half empty when it comes to science. But instead of assuming peoples' motivations in doing science, it might be worthwhile to actually ask them. They're not all Dr. Jekylls, as you seem to assume.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Please define "allegorical"

By the by..... why are you so interested in shedding doubt on God's Word?

I think you came in late.

 

[Schroeder]

No you can't. We spend a lot of time discussing science and scripture here---two topics that require a lot of study to understand them well.

We don't often discuss literature, yet the bible is a library containing many literary forms. Literature is another topic that takes a lot of study to understand it well. You cannot pick and choose what style of literature a part of scripture is as if you were drawing a name from a hat. There is a whole school of study called form criticism which is devoted to studying the distinguishing marks of various kinds of literature.

that is true, it does take study but God did not leave a book that is impossible for the unlearned to understand. the fact is God has no literary form, the form he used is the form most used in that day. BUT it does not mean it falls under those litary laws or tendinses. it is all TRUTH unless otherwise told to use that it is not.

TRUTH is conveyed in literature through some literary form or genre. Since many literary genres are used in scripture, and since the Spirit inspired them, it follows that the Spirit inspired the poetry, parables, prophetic oracles, gospels, epistles, etc. that are found in the scriptures. (These are examples of some of the genres found in the bible.) So, yes, the Spirit does speak in literary genres--many of them. And what the Spirit says in these various literary forms is, indeed, truth.

The Spirit DID NOT INSPIRE the literary form it used what form was common at the time. Again the Spirit is truth and ONLY speaks TRUTH. not some truth some myth. and let us determine which is which.

Scripture was written by men (mostly, one of the anonymous authors may have been a women.) Biblical authors were real authors, not secretaries taking dictation. They were moved/inspired by the Spirit to write and they did write.

NO it was written TROUGH man not by man. this is what makes it TRUTH.

And that is one of the reasons we can say it is a myth--because that is what an ancient culture would do with a story: tell it over and over again as a myth.

They would but i think God could get beyond this and speak it truthfully.

There may well have been an actual flood. But it was not a global flood as we understand "global".

it says the water were ABOVE the high hills. and that it covered ALL the tops of mountians. this would make it GLobal not in one area. YOu cant see this because you think science is more true then scripture. or the evidence of the Flood is not seen by you. And so it must be a myth for you to except it in scripture. were is Faith in that.

There is no indication that Abraham ever wrote anything. One of the assumptions people make in a culture like ours where most people can read and write, is to assume that writing is the way to make sure a story is passed from one generation to another. But for most of human history it is oral tradition that was the way stories were passed on. The story of the flood we have it in Genesis came from after the reign of Solomon.

dont now how that really matters. GOd is Truth and can NOT lie, even partly to appease your idea of literary forms.

Since all such stories from ancient times are mythical, there is no criterion for saying one is more true than another as far as events go. But one can be truer than another in terms of what it teaches us about God, and sin and judgment and mercy. I would agree that the biblical story is truest in this regard.

this is a huge assumption i think dont emagine you can prove this. How because youare a christian and it must or it is ALL just a good story to live by to keep humanity in check.

We don't anyway. That is why we need grace and faith to believe what is true.

what for if it is just myth anyway. you cant tell me which is true and which is not.

And we receive the truth the Spirit teaches by grace and by faith, not by knowledge that we can prove. Trust in scripture is a matter of faith.

how if it isnt accurate. Faith is believing it even if it cant be proved by science or anything else. if the scripture was given to man to write and as you say it is truth, how can it also be part myth. again HE is ALL truth, not part truth or even mostly truth.

Even a lot of what we consider history is a mix of lies and truth. As the proverb says: History is written by the victors. If we heard what others say about our history, it would look a lot different. Ask aboriginal people about the history of America since Columbus landed. Sounds a lot different than what is written in most textbooks.

makes no difference the truth is truth no matter what. YOu keep limiting God, like he isnt cappable of keeping his word TRUE completly. SO you think he has no control over what they write when the Spirit moves them to write it down. He can get them to write it just not truthfully.

That scripture is true and Spirit-guided does not exclude that some of it is myth. Myth, as a literary genre, is not the opposite of truth.

it is the opposite of truth, if it is not ALL true it is not TRUTH of GOD. some is myth or parrables ect. but it always tells us if it is. other wise it would up to us to decide what is and or isnt. a lot of problems arise if you do this.

It shows us by its form, by its content, by its relationship to other myths in the culture of the times. But that will only become obvious to one who takes the time to study ancient literature as literature.

Again it is FROM GOD NOT MAN. you fail to give a specific passage that says it is myth with a point.

Most of the bible is not history. When it is history, it is often good history. Most of the bible is more concerned with salvation and morals than with history. There is nothing wrong with focusing on moral purposes. After all, how we live is very important to God. We need to know not only that we are to love one another, but also what loving our neighbour looks like in practice. So we know from the ten commandments, for example, that loving our neighbour means not killing or stealing or lying or committing adultury. And from the beatitudes that it does include being merciful, seeking justice and making peace. Proclaiming the gospel and teaching us to walk according to our calling are two of the most important themes in scripture, and they do not require every story in scripture to be history.

a lot of it is and a lot is not the old has a lot more history then the new for obviouse reasons.

One learns which is which through prayer and study.

well if you have a misconception of it all from the start how will this help you.

 

[The Lady Kate]

that is true, it does take study but God did not leave a book that is impossible for the unlearned to understand.

Agreed.... so, how do the "unlearned" actually learn something back in the day?

Through oral tradition, song, poetry, allegory, mythology, and just about everything else we find in the Bible.

the fact is God has no literary form, the form he used is the form most used in that day. BUT it does not mean it falls under those litary laws or tendinses. it is all TRUTH unless otherwise told to use that it is not.

God used no literary form to write the Bible... The fact is He used men to do that. And men do use literary forms.

The Spirit DID NOT INSPIRE the literary form it used what form was common at the time.

Again, the Spirit did not inspire forms, He inspired people. And people spread the message every way they knew how.

Again the Spirit is truth and ONLY speaks TRUTH. not some truth some myth. and let us determine which is which.

You seem to think that myth can't be true. Why is that?

NO it was written TROUGH man not by man. this is what makes it TRUTH.

And those men took this great inspiration and expressed it as best they could.

Haven't you ever had a thought that you just couldn't put into words? A feeling, an idea, a notion so profound that mere language wouldn't do it justice? So you do the best you can with what you have.

Can you imagine multiplying that feeling to divine levels?

They would but i think God could get beyond this and speak it truthfully.

And myths can speak truth. No problem here.

it says the water were ABOVE the high hills. and that it covered ALL the tops of mountians. this would make it GLobal not in one area. YOu cant see this because you think science is more true then scripture. or the evidence of the Flood is not seen by you. And so it must be a myth for you to except it in scripture. were is Faith in that.

Which high hills? Most of the high hills around where I live actually aren't all that high. it surely wouldn't take a global flood to cover them.

dont now how that really matters. GOd is Truth and can NOT lie, even partly to appease your idea of literary forms.

Nobody (except apparantly you) is saying that a "literary form" is a lie.

this is a huge assumption i think dont emagine you can prove this. How because youare a christian and it must or it is ALL just a good story to live by to keep humanity in check.

All or nothing, is it? Why on Earth would anyone want to do that? Why must the Bible, a collection of books from various subjects, written by authors from all walks of life over a period of centuries, be treated like some kind of monolithic block?

what for if it is just myth anyway. you cant tell me which is true and which is not.

That's what faith is for.... the ability to say, the ancient writers were speaking mythologically, but I stillbelieve it to be true.

how if it isnt accurate. Faith is believing it even if it cant be proved by science or anything else. if the scripture was given to man to write and as you say it is truth, how can it also be part myth. again HE is ALL truth, not part truth or even mostly truth.

Because truth need not be literal... the Bible would be quite dull if that were the only way to express truth.

The Tax Code is 100% literal... and 100% true... and 100% a cure for insomnia.

Shall we give God a little credit for expressing His Truths in a more poetic fashion?

makes no difference the truth is truth no matter what. YOu keep limiting God, like he isnt cappable of keeping his word TRUE completly. SO you think he has no control over what they write when the Spirit moves them to write it down. He can get them to write it just not truthfully.

God had control... He simply chose not to use it completely. God seems to place a high value on Free Will... He wants worshippers, not mindless drones. Why should this not apply to the Bible authors?

it is the opposite of truth, if it is not ALL true it is not TRUTH of GOD. some is myth or parrables ect. but it always tells us if it is. other wise it would up to us to decide what is and or isnt. a lot of problems arise if you do this.

The only problem is that you insist that myth isn't truth.

Again it is FROM GOD NOT MAN. you fail to give a specific passage that says it is myth with a point.

So what? There is no specific passage that says the Bible descended from God's own hands on a golden plate.

a lot of it is and a lot is not the old has a lot more history then the new for obviouse reasons.

well if you have a misconception of it all from the start how will this help you.

You mean a misconception like "Truth can only be told in a 100% literal fashion... no myths, allegories, or poetry"?

 

[gluadys]

that is true, it does take study but God did not leave a book that is impossible for the unlearned to understand.

God has never depended on a book to communicate. God has always used people as communicators. Some of those people are preachers and teachers who help the unlearned understand difficult writings.

the fact is God has no literary form, the form he used is the form most used in that day.

And the forms most used in that day were those most easily passed on through oral tradition: stories and poetry.

BUT it does not mean it falls under those litary laws or tendinses. it is all TRUTH unless otherwise told to use that it is not.

So who, besides yourself, is saying it is not truth? Every literary vehicle can speak truth.

Again the Spirit is truth and ONLY speaks TRUTH. not some truth some myth. and let us determine which is which.

We don't have to determine which is truth and which is not. Everything the Spirit inspires is truth. The Spirit can speak truth through myth.

We don't even have to determine which is myth and which is not. A great story can speak truth even if the reader is ignorant of literary labels. But knowing that a story is told in mythological form is an aide to a deeper understanding.

NO it was written TROUGH man not by man. this is what makes it TRUTH.

So, do you believe the writers were not really writers? That they simply took dictation? Scripture itself contradicts this view.

They would but i think God could get beyond this and speak it truthfully.

Whether the transmission of the story is oral or written, it is still God's story. So of course it is true. God doesn't need to "get beyond" anything to make it true. The point is that we tend to overvalue stuff in books, and forget that most people, in most places, in most times did not communicate through the written word. Because we have books, we tend not to discipline our memory to recall what we or others have written. So we tend not to understand what memory is capable of.

it says the water were ABOVE the high hills. and that it covered ALL the tops of mountians. this would make it GLobal not in one area.

And since we know that there never was a global flood, we know this is part of the story, not part of history.

YOu cant see this because you think science is more true then scripture. or the evidence of the Flood is not seen by you. And so it must be a myth for you to except it in scripture. were is Faith in that.

The faith is in the trustworthiness of God's testimony in creation. All scientific truth comes from God, just as all scriptural truth comes from God. One cannot be truer than the other.

dont now how that really matters. GOd is Truth and can NOT lie, even partly to appease your idea of literary forms.

I am not the one who is saying a literary form must be a form of lie. I quite agree that God cannot lie, and it makes no difference what literary form is used. God speaks truth in all of them.

this is a huge assumption

Typical creationist remark. Just because you haven't checked out and understood a conclusion, you call it an assumption. Please learn the difference between these terms.

what for if it is just myth anyway. you cant tell me which is true and which is not.

I can't tell you which part of scripture is true and which is not because it is ALL true. If God chooses to give you the truth in the form of a myth, are you going to call God a liar?

how if it isnt accurate.

I am not the one who is saying it is not accurate. You are.

Faith is believing it even if it cant be proved by science or anything else.

Right. Faith takes us beyond what we can prove, beyond evidence we can see. But faith does not consist of looking at what we do see and pretending it is not there. That is what the rejection of science is.

if the scripture was given to man to write and as you say it is truth, how can it also be part myth. again HE is ALL truth, not part truth or even mostly truth.

Because myth = a kind of story. Sometimes in common speech we use the word to refer to something that is not true. But not when we use it of the bible. Or of many other ancient stories. Then we are talking about what kind of literature it is. Not whether it is true or false.

Every kind of literature can be used to teach truth or to spread falsehood. But when it comes from those inspired by the Holy Spirit, I, for one, believe it is true, God's truth.

makes no difference the truth is truth no matter what. YOu keep limiting God, like he isnt cappable of keeping his word TRUE completly. SO you think he has no control over what they write when the Spirit moves them to write it down. He can get them to write it just not truthfully.

No, those conclusions are all yours, not mine. I disagree with what you are saying here.

it is the opposite of truth, if it is not ALL true it is not TRUTH of GOD. some is myth or parrables ect. but it always tells us if it is. other wise it would up to us to decide what is and or isnt. a lot of problems arise if you do this.

It is all truth--including the myths. So we don't have to decide what is and isn't true. We just need to learn it and obey it and treasure it.

Again it is FROM GOD NOT MAN. you fail to give a specific passage that says it is myth with a point.

Why would you expect a trade-mark in the story? I said that identifying literary genres correctly comes through the study of literature.

a lot of it is and a lot is not the old has a lot more history then the new for obviouse reasons.

Right. I've never disagreed that there is history in the bible too.

well if you have a misconception of it all from the start how will this help you.

A good point. So if YOU have a misconception---how is it helping you?

 

[shernren]

You don't need to know any of that stuff to throw some thing and watch to see if it hits what you throw it at or not.
Have you never thrown a ball? Did you sit down with paper and pen or calculator to figure out how it's going to fly or did you just throw the thing?
Your making it out to be some major terribly hard thing to throw a ball/rock when it's not. You pick the thing up [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] your arm back and let it fly.

Sit down with paper and pen and figure out how it flies ... hmm, I think I know people who do that. It's called "sports science", see. But you're not getting my point. Science isn't "sitting down with pen and paper" and all that. Those are just props and tools and apparatus. Science is whe you figure out that "cocking your arm back" (using an angle close to the optimum ~40 degrees, and increasing the acceleration time in order that the initial velocity of launch is higher) sends a ball / rock / spear / whatever farther than starting out flat and just pushing it forward. You have to learn that yourself, and you probably learned it so young that you've forgotten that you learned it. The pencil and pen and calculator are just apparatus to quantify and refine that idea, that's all. The science isn't there. The science is in knowing how to make the ball go faster, whether with concrete math or with intuitive movement.

There is no reason for the world to behave this way. God could easily have designed a world where a righteous person would always throw a ball farther than a wicked person, no matter how far back the wicked person cocked his arm and how hard he threw. God was never constrained to making a universe with science that works. He did so because it reflected His intellectual perfection, and because (though this is just a personal belief) He didn't want us to get bored having nothing to do besides eating and generally ruling the world.

As in medicine to you mean the mind altering drugs that do not cure the mental disorders but merely cover them up? Might as well give the ppl the name of the local dope dealer or have them grow the stuff themselves. Both remove the person from a true reality and put them into a faked one.

Have you ever personally dealt with people who are suffering from clinical depression? I have and personally I find that statement offensive, as if it is faithless and useless to use psychotherapeutic drugs. Most of the time the patient is living in an altered reality without the drugs, and only with the drugs can the patient be brought back into the real world to face his/her problems through prayer, deliverance and counselling. The physical part of the problem is not the whole problem, but it is a part of the problem and it is legitimate to treat it physically. Even the Bible recognizes it: when Elijah was suicidal after the victory on Mt. Carmel, the angel did not immediately send Elijah to the mountain of God, but instead made sure he ate well and rested first - physical care for a physical body whose physical tiredness and disease had the effect of tiring his spirit as well. Science is not a complete way of understanding the world and making our lives better but it is one legitimate approach. Science exists only because God created a world in which science makes sense.

 

[shernren]

it says the water were ABOVE the high hills. and that it covered ALL the tops of mountians. this would make it GLobal not in one area. YOu cant see this because you think science is more true then scripture. or the evidence of the Flood is not seen by you. And so it must be a myth for you to except it in scripture. were is Faith in that.

You're not the only literalist in the world, you know.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[Raistlinorr]

Yes. That is exactly what I meant. I was definitely NOT talking about vaccines against polio, cancer treatments, or cough medicine. Those are all miracles from God.

You realize that mind altering drugs are not good right? We are told not to get drunk by the Lord, so it's pretty safe to say He wants us to not use things that will alter our thinking. Also there is a chance we are only making things worse for the person to any way. Read Matthew 17:15-20 to understand some of what I am refering to.

It seems that for you, the glass will always be half empty when it comes to science. But instead of assuming peoples' motivations in doing science, it might be worthwhile to actually ask them. They're not all Dr. Jekylls, as you seem to assume.

I used to be a person who looked toward science for many answers. I've looked into many different things (I've forgoten more than I remember now but still recall alot) but I have choosen to look instead to some thing more powerful and reliable than science.
I never said every thing was bad but there are many things were it's a chance your being fooled by the enemy.

God bless!
Raist

 

[Raistlinorr]

Sit down with paper and pen and figure out how it flies ... hmm, I think I know people who do that. It's called "sports science", see. But you're not getting my point. Science isn't "sitting down with pen and paper" and all that. Those are just props and tools and apparatus. Science is whe you figure out that "cocking your arm back" (using an angle close to the optimum ~40 degrees, and increasing the acceleration time in order that the initial velocity of launch is higher) sends a ball / rock / spear / whatever farther than starting out flat and just pushing it forward. You have to learn that yourself, and you probably learned it so young that you've forgotten that you learned it. The pencil and pen and calculator are just apparatus to quantify and refine that idea, that's all. The science isn't there. The science is in knowing how to make the ball go faster, whether with concrete math or with intuitive movement.

There is no reason for the world to behave this way. God could easily have designed a world where a righteous person would always throw a ball farther than a wicked person, no matter how far back the wicked person cocked his arm and how hard he threw. God was never constrained to making a universe with science that works. He did so because it reflected His intellectual perfection, and because (though this is just a personal belief) He didn't want us to get bored having nothing to do besides eating and generally ruling the world.



Have you ever personally dealt with people who are suffering from clinical depression? I have and personally I find that statement offensive, as if it is faithless and useless to use psychotherapeutic drugs. Most of the time the patient is living in an altered reality without the drugs, and only with the drugs can the patient be brought back into the real world to face his/her problems through prayer, deliverance and counselling. The physical part of the problem is not the whole problem, but it is a part of the problem and it is legitimate to treat it physically. Even the Bible recognizes it: when Elijah was suicidal after the victory on Mt. Carmel, the angel did not immediately send Elijah to the mountain of God, but instead made sure he ate well and rested first - physical care for a physical body whose physical tiredness and disease had the effect of tiring his spirit as well. Science is not a complete way of understanding the world and making our lives better but it is one legitimate approach. Science exists only because God created a world in which science makes sense.

I have been around others and been part of depression and yes I know it can be cured with out drugs that do keep the person from being in a true reality. Take offence if you wish but I know for fact that God can fix it faster than any drug you want to feed some one. Why place your faith in man when you can place it on God.

Next I expect to hear that we can know how God did every bit of it. Some how I don't think we are meant to know exactly how God did every thing. Thats why it's called faith.

God bless!
Raist

 

[Mallon]

You realize that mind altering drugs are not good right? We are told not to get drunk by the Lord, so it's pretty safe to say He wants us to not use things that will alter our thinking.

What about those drugs that clarify our thinking, such as those pointed out by shernren?

Read Matthew 17:15-20 to understand some of what I am refering to.

Do you believe that a person can move mountains through prayer alone? Do you believe that we can cure cancer once and for all through prayer alone? If so, then your faith is much stronger than mine own. As much as I believe in the power of prayer, I am not a faith healer, and I believe that science is a blessing from God.

I never said every thing was bad but there are many things were it's a chance your being fooled by the enemy.

Ignorance is my enemy.

 

[Raistlinorr]

What about those drugs that clarify our thinking, such as those pointed out by shernren?


Do you believe that a person can move mountains through prayer alone? Do you believe that we can cure cancer once and for all through prayer alone? If so, then your faith is much stronger than mine own. As much as I believe in the power of prayer, I am not a faith healer, and I believe that science is a blessing from God.


Ignorance is my enemy.

Those drugs only clarify enough for man not enough to go though the fight of a spiritual battle.

Yes I fully believe that every thing can be cured and any thing can be done with prayer. Though sadly enough my faith is like what Jesus gets on to His followers about at times. It's not as strong as it should be be I know in my heart that God will answer prayer and that yes mountains could be moved if we had the faith. If ew had the faith we are told to have by Jesus there we could cure every illness known to man and that is all we would need.
I have personaly had healing on my knees and have heard many more stories of those who are cured of even greater things.

God bless!
Raist

 

[Mallon]

Those drugs only clarify enough for man not enough to go though the fight of a spiritual battle.

I didn't realize this is what we were arguing.

If ew had the faith we are told to have by Jesus there we could cure every illness known to man and that is all we would need.

But we don't. So we should be thankful that we have things like science and medicine to cure ourselves.

I have personaly had healing on my knee

And you underwent no physical therapy or treatment for it at all?

And getting back to something you said previously:

Next I expect to hear that we can know how God did every bit of it.

This is a not a claim that science makes.

 

[Willtor]

Those drugs only clarify enough for man not enough to go though the fight of a spiritual battle.

Yes I fully believe that every thing can be cured and any thing can be done with prayer. Though sadly enough my faith is like what Jesus gets on to His followers about at times. It's not as strong as it should be be I know in my heart that God will answer prayer and that yes mountains could be moved if we had the faith. If ew had the faith we are told to have by Jesus there we could cure every illness known to man and that is all we would need.
I have personaly had healing on my knees and have heard many more stories of those who are cured of even greater things.

God bless!
Raist

You'd go to a doctor if you fell and broke your arm, wouldn't you? If you can go to a doctor when you have problems of the rest of the body, why not go to a doctor when you have problems of the brain?

 

[LoG]

You'd go to a doctor if you fell and broke your arm, wouldn't you? If you can go to a doctor when you have problems of the rest of the body, why not go to a doctor when you have problems of the brain?

Because their solutions create more problems than they solve.

 

[Willtor]

Because their solutions create more problems than they solve.

This has been a problem in some cases (addictive medicines, side effects, etc.), but not in all; not even in most cases. In the cases of treatments that have negative side effects, the prescriptions become outlawed by the FDA.

 

[Raistlinorr]

I didn't realize this is what we were arguing.


But we don't. So we should be thankful that we have things like science and medicine to cure ourselves.


And you underwent no physical therapy or treatment for it at all?

And getting back to something you said previously:

This is a not a claim that science makes.

Simply put after the physical therapy I took and finished with the amount of time required by the doctor I still felt no different. For nearly a year after being done with said therapy I still showed no sign of relief. Why had I quit going so long ago? Simple not every one can afford such costs for things that are pretty much a waste of time. It did nothing for me, I sat in pain for almost a year after leaving the therapy before I fully gave it over to the Lord. At that time I felt instant relief and I owe my healing to the Lord not man.
And no I did not under go a treatment or surgery. I was still planning on doing that at some point in the future as they had told me thats what would fix my knees. They tell me this after MRIs and multiple xrays are done. But I gave it to the Lord instead and surgery is not even a part of my thinking now for my knees.

And it might not e a claim science makes now but there are those who will make that claim. Many now look at things and say science may not be able to explain it now but it will one day do so. This statement tells me just that, that one day man will say they can explain every aspect of God.

God bless!
Raist

 

[Raistlinorr]

You'd go to a doctor if you fell and broke your arm, wouldn't you? If you can go to a doctor when you have problems of the rest of the body, why not go to a doctor when you have problems of the brain?

For the instant I would go so that my arm could be set. But I would hope that I had faith enough to by the end of that night take the cast off. As I know our Father can heal such a minor thing as a broken arm.

As for going to the doctor for the mind? who is saying that it's realy the mind and not spiritual that man is "fighting" perhapes man is doing nothing but druging things that need not be druged. But of course in todays world it can be explained as this is what it must be. Today if Jesus were to say it's not that and it can be cast out of them He would be laughed at. Because in todays world we "know" what we are talking about.


God bless!
Raist

 

[Raistlinorr]

Because their solutions create more problems than they solve.

I agree.

God bless!
Raist