God did not create evil.

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Verse 15, again:
Eze 28:15 "You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.

You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.

tâmîym
taw-meem'
entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth: - without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright (-ly), whole.

A perfect DEVIL remains perfect "in all thy ways" in any case of rendering.

 

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You're having trouble keeping up. We've read the same scripture. You claim that God creating evil is plain and clear. I disagree.

Already done. You are welcome to disagree with open statements of scripture and actions of God that contradict your insistence.

I claim that the Primacy of Peter is clear. You'd disagree.

Take your RCC baloney about Peter to a relevant thread. I will agree that the primacy of Peter was PRIMARILY to show that SATAN spoke through Peter.

The point: your claims are not plain and clear simply because you believe them to be so.

I believe the scriptures that state such. What's the problem again? Do we need an American RCC re-write of scriptures?

You've been provided plenty of Scriptural explanations by other posters on this thread.

Argumentum numerum now as well? lol

What happens to those who do not accept Christ?

Even the RCC does not eliminate the "possibility" that ALL MANKIND can be saved from purgatory. I accept their possibility as a reality.

What happens to those who do not accept Christ?

The devil and his messengers are going to the infamous Lake of Fire. These happen to be WITH mankind presently and will be SEPARATED from mankind for this event. Just because you fail to discern the differences between the parties you also fail to understand how BOTH positions can be true...all mankind SAVED and all DEVILKIND created EVIL by God for eventual eradication and SERVING God's temporal purposes for THEM in the "mean"time.

enjoy!

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[AmericanCatholic]

Take your RCC baloney about Peter to a relevant thread.

Perhaps you should review your own baloney, which advocates the absurdity of a perfectly good God creating and practicing evil. But alas, you missed the point. Again. Oh well. Like I said, there's no debate with someone who willingly and knowingly accepts contradictions in their theology.

 

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Perhaps you should review your own baloney, which advocates the absurdity of a perfectly good God creating and practicing evil. But alas, you missed the point. Again. Oh well. Like I said, there's no debate with someone who willingly and knowingly accepts contradictions in their theology.

Why would either of us dispute the scriptures about God's Involvement with bringing and doing EVIL?

Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil

Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought

Deuteronomy 7:15
And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things

Judges 9:23
Then God sent an evil spirit

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1 Samuel 16:23
And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul

1 Samuel 18:10
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul

1 Samuel 19:9
And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

2 Samuel 24:16
And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil

1 Kings 14:10
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil

1 Kings 21:21
Behold, I will bring evil upon thee

1 Kings 21:29
Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets

2 Kings 21:12
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.

2 Kings 22:16
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place

2 Chronicles 7:22
And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.

Nehemiah 13:18
Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us

Who can deny the facts?

When you are finished with these of course there are many many more likewise.

enjoy!

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[MamaZ]

A perfect DEVIL remains perfect "in all thy ways" in any case of rendering.

God did not create him a devil. We see he was perfect in all his ways UNTIL unrighteousness was found in him. So He was not created as a devil..

 

[MamaZ]

You seem to want to believe that a Holy God will do evil things LOL.. He is a Holy God and He is creator. He can use even the most of the evil of this world to do His bidding. For He is creator.. But He does not turn a man evil. He does not create evil.

 

[Rajni]

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Here are verses that go into further detail as to how the Lord does these things. Emphasis mine to underscore who is behind the evil influences:

Jdg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
1Sa 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

1Sa 16:16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

1Sa 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1Sa 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house:

1Sa 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2Ch 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

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This is not to "blame" God for evil, but to simply clarify that evil is a tool He uses in sculpting this masterpiece called life, much as a painter doesn't just use light pastels and shades of white, but also uses dark greys, blacks, blues, greens ....


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God did not create him a devil. We see he was perfect in all his ways UNTIL unrighteousness was found in him. So He was not created as a devil..

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Isaiah 54:16
Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

 

[MamaZ]

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Isaiah 54:16
Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

YOu might want to go back and read when the beginning is that He is speaking of here.. Like in Genesis.. He was the cherub that was set to cover the tree.. It is all written about like I said in Eze. 28.

 

[squint]

YOu might want to go back and read when the beginning is that He is speaking of here.. Like in Genesis.. He was the cherub that was set to cover the tree.. It is all written about like I said in Eze. 28.

The devil had a "beginning" in which he was A MURDERER.

If you don't "believe" God created, is involved and uses EVIL just scroll up a couple of posts and take a gander at a small sampling of the FACTS.

God is not in need of anyone's excuses. Evil did not just "appear" out of nowhere.

God is CAPABLE of putting away ALL EVIL in the twinkling of an eye, YET HE does NOT DO SO...so in any case EVIL EXISTS at the WILL OF GOD'S ALLOWANCE to say the LEAST.

The study of EVIL with the existence of A PERFECT GOD is called THEODICY...and God IS involved with EVIL because IT EXISTS...and that's why we STUDY the "facts" and we do not "excuse" our God because of the FACTS.

You may want to consider that God is far greater than the SUM of all evil and all of it's works, FULLY ABLE to eradicate EVERY WORKING of EVIL as if it NEVER existed...able to dry EVERY TEAR.

In the meantime however EVIL serves His Purposes for same and that "fact" is simply unavoidable as believers.

God is not just sitting on His little cloud boo hooing that there is EVIL.

enjoy!

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[Hismessenger]

I have a query for those who do not understand that God created Evil for His purpose.

In the book of Job, it says there came a day when the angels came before God and Satan came with them. Scripture says that the fallen angels were locked away in chains and darkness until the time of the end. How is it that Satan came with them.

There is a answer. Does anyone know it? It will surprize many and confirm to many the truth.

hismessenger

 

[MamaZ]

I have a query for those who do not understand that God created Evil for His purpose.

In the book of Job, it says there came a day when the angels came before God and Satan came with them. Scripture says that the fallen angels were locked away in chains and darkness until the time of the end. How is it that Satan came with them.

There is a answer. Does anyone know it? It will surprize many and confirm to many the truth.

hismessenger

You may want to read how many of the fallen were locked away in chains.

 

[squint]

I have a query for those who do not understand that God created Evil for His purpose.

In the book of Job, it says there came a day when the angels came before God and Satan came with them. Scripture says that the fallen angels were locked away in chains and darkness until the time of the end. How is it that Satan came with them.

There is a answer. Does anyone know it? It will surprize many and confirm to many the truth.

hismessenger

Confirm on.

 

[MamaZ]

He does not create sin, but He does create other bad or evil things. God creates hell, and that is a bad (evil) thing for people, but it is not sin, and it is perfectly consistent with God's Word to create it. God withdraws light, and thus creates darkness, but this is not sin. God takes away peace, and thus creates war, but this is not God sinning. God removes His hand of restraint from man's heart and it is hardened, but this is not God forcing him to sin. For God is "not obligated" to maintain peace, hold back war, or keep man's heart softened. And when we look at the very context of Isaiah chapter 45, it becomes clear that this is what God is saying.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:"

 

[squint]

He does not create sin, but He does create other bad or evil things.

A great nod to the obvious. Rather hard to avoid this conclusion, particularly when reading the O.T.

God creates hell, and that is a bad (evil) thing for people, but it is not sin, and it is perfectly consistent with God's Word to create it.

It may interest you to note that in the entirety of scripture there is not a SINGLE NAMED PERSON given for an example of someone headed to the infamous Lake, NOR is there even a SINGLE NAMED PERSON even threatened with such a fate. The devil and his messengers are the ONLY openly stated parties said to be headed to the Lake AND these of course are also found to be WITH mankind.

God withdraws light, and thus creates darkness, but this is not sin.

Omnipresence eliminates the possibility of God's "withdrawal."

Exodus 20:21
And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

1 Kings 8:12
Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Psalm 139:12
Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

God takes away peace, and thus creates war, but this is not God sinning. God removes His hand of restraint from man's heart and it is hardened, but this is not God forcing him to sin. For God is "not obligated" to maintain peace, hold back war, or keep man's heart softened. And when we look at the very context of Isaiah chapter 45, it becomes clear that this is what God is saying.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:"

Yes, very clear.

You might consider that the same light that lightens mankind hardens devil kind IN man. Why is it do you think that we ALL have such difficulty in communications? Darkness comes with WORD territory.

enjoy!

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[MamaZ]

You may want to note that God withdraws His hand in judgement therefore bad things happen. Why do they happen one may ask. For judgement upon His creation.. For God is Judge and ruler of all.

 

[MamaZ]

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[Hismessenger]

Mamaz,

Here is a simple way to understand the truth. Consider your body as the creation. Your body creates millions of cells over your life time but some become corrupted and cancerus. The point of this is, that if they were not a part of the body/creation, they could do nothing for they would be nothing. But as part of the body, they have the ability to change from good cells to bad cells. Much the same as the creation is with God. Because it is part of His body, only those things which He allows can occur at His bidding. Just like the cancer cells, He can weed them out or, allow them to grow. Without the sustaining power of the creator, even Evil could not exsist. It is a created thing. Not a self sustaining thing. Not a selfrising thing nor anything without the will of God. God is ruler of all. Look here at these scripture and try to see the truth;

Eph 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places

Jud 1:6 — And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Then finally

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Job 34:12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.
Job 34:13 Who hath given him a charge over the earth? or who hath disposed the whole world?
Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, [if] he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;
Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust./QUOTE]

Now the question to ask yourself is, If god did this, where would evil be, for that matter, where would good be?

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

The last post has the answer to my question.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

And lastly, can a cancer cell create itself apart from a body?

hismessenger