God did not create evil.

[Hismessenger]

Because you still haven't answered the question. So I will let the scripture answer it for you since you don't seem to be able to face the truth for yourself.

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

So now I present the same question to you again.

according to the scripture I just posted, there can only be one answer and you know what it is. So face the truth and say it.

If there were no creation for evil to operate in, Where would evil be?

hismessenger

 

[AmericanCatholic]

Hismessenger,

Your attitude amuses me.

I did not answer your question because your question is meaningless insofar it fails to resolve the fundamental contradiction inherent in an all-powerful, perfectly good being creating and sustaining that which is neither good or perfect. Your question assumes an inference that because evil is conditional upon the human will, it has necessarily been created by God, and leads directly to the contradiction I pointed out. Until that contradiction is resolved, your question really has no substance, as a contradiction is a clear indicator that a particular belief is wrong.

 

[Rick Otto]

It's as if you have no grasp of motive.

 

[AmericanCatholic]

It's as if you have no grasp of motive.

Motive cannot explain how an all-powerful, perfectly good being could create and sustain that which is neither perfect or good. It's not merely a question of character -- it's one of capacity.

 

[Rick Otto]

Motive is about why not how.
Evil is perfectly & good for lots of things like prepositioning Joseph in Egypt.

 

[AmericanCatholic]

Motive is about why not how.

Motive is irrelevant if something is not possible.

Evil is perfectly & good for lots of things like prepositioning Joseph in Egypt.

It still requires an inference of some kind to connect God using evil and God having created and now sustains it.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=AmericanCatholic;Motive is irrelevant if something is not possible.

What in this case is not possible?

It still requires an inference of some kind to connect God using evil

Doesn't scripture explicitly state He does?

and God having created and now sustains it.

Isaiah states explicitly He created it. Who or what else could sustain what God created?

 

[AmericanCatholic]

What in this case is not possible?

An all-powerful, perfectly good being creating and sustaining evil.

Doesn't scripture explicitly state He does?

Please provide the reference.

Isaiah states explicitly He created it.

Please provide the reference.

 

[squint]

Why is it necessary for God to be involved in the human will?

Why the need to separate God from His creation?

 

[AmericanCatholic]

[quote]Why the need to separate God from His creation?[/quote]

Is it necessary? That's what I'm asking you.

 

[Hismessenger]

American Catholic,

your not here to discuss relevant issues but rather to spread discord with nonsense reasoning and enuendo. We gave you the scripture which state that God created the evil but you choose to deny it as if that makes it not so. You only hurt yourself and show yourself to be outside the will of God. You question a sovereign God with a finite mind and think that you can grasp all that He is doing all at the same time. If He told us, we may still only grasp a finte corner of His true plan. THe question to which you have no answer still remains. If there were no creation, where would evil be. The answer is self evident. I can ask this for as long as you continue to try and side step it for the copy button works real good.

hismessenger

 

[AmericanCatholic]

your not here to discuss relevant issues but rather to spread discord with nonsense reasoning and enuendo.

Any evidence for that allegation?

THe question to which you have no answer still remains. If there were no creation, where would evil be. The answer is self evident. I can ask this for as long as you continue to try and side step it for the copy button works real good.

You can continue asking that question if you'd like. I've explained once why I do not think that question has any bearing on the subject at hand.

 

[Hismessenger]

Any evidence for that allegation?

See your numerous posts for evidence.

hismessenger

 

[AmericanCatholic]

See your numerous posts for evidence.

How do my posts indicate an intention "to spread discord with nonsense reasoning and enuendo"?

 

[Hismessenger]

The same way your last post has done. No substance just noise.

hismessenger

 

[AmericanCatholic]

Asking questions is "just noise"? What do you call making unsubstantiated accusations regarding the character of another Christian?

 

[Rick Otto]

What in this case is not possible?
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An all-powerful, perfectly good being creating and sustaining evil.

Doesn't scripture explicitly state He does?
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Please provide the reference.

Isaiah states explicitly He created it.
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Please provide the reference.

Isaiah 45:7
Sorry, i thought you knew.