God creates, He just doesn't know *what* He creates

quatona said:

Eventually you may want to start considering it, then.

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I'm half your age.

Psalm 14:1;

"For the director of music. Of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."

Proverbs 9:10;

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."

You are well overdue (but not too late) to become wise.

You should be teaching me. Instead, you're approaching me with a lifelong chip on your shoulder.

...approaching me on forums designed to accommodate my beliefs. You've put yourself right in the middle of the action. Why?

You're standing right in my way, you've made it a five year long mission to denounce Jesus Christ. Why?

You're walking directly under the missile, you've sworn that you can defeat God. Why?

You say to yourself that at least you can stumble some of his followers. You feel satisfied in your actions. Why?

You're hurt inside, you're battling yourself. You're irrational with fear. Why?

Keep in mind that:

Luke 12:10;

"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

God isn't your enemy, but you think He is. It's heartbreaking, because the truth is that there's so much more to life than arguing with Christians about how mean He is. You could be living your life to the fullest, looking forward to the next, experiencing His goodness and grace. All it requires is faith in His Son. That's it! NOTHING, else.

Blessedj01 said:

I'm half your age.

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It´s 16°C here right now.

You should be teaching me.

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No, that´s not my job.

Actually, that is your job. By spouting all your silly nonsense (although I understand it, because it's universally human), you're forcing people like me, or even younger people, like young adults and teenagers, to go out and pick up the torch for you. Even children know that God is good and that He saved us by giving His only Son. We have a duty - all of us - and we're failing to lay down the foundations for our children and their children, to live by the example of Jesus, to know salvation and the peace that's found in Him.

Matthew 28:16-20;

"16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

quatona said:

It´s 16°C here right now.




No, that´s not my job.

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Prepare to be added to his ignore list in 3...2....

Blessedj01 said:

Actually, that is your job.

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No, it isn´t. You are an anonymous guy on the internet and I have no obligation towards you.
On another note, it´s quite funny of you to demand to be my student and at the same time throw insults at my intelligence.

By spouting all your silly nonsense (although I understand it, because it's universally human), you're forcing people like me, or even younger people, like young adults and teenagers, to go out and pick up the torch for you.

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No, I don´t force you to do anything. You are free to "pick up [whatever] torch" you desire to pick up, though.

Even children know that God is good and that He saved us by giving His only Son.

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Provided they have been indoctrinated that way.
On another note, nowhere did I say God wasn´t good. I merely gave you the logical implications of your explanations - and apparently it was you who didn´t like them.

For the record, I haven't insulted your intelligence. I have just said that you are not wise on this topic.

I don't think your "logical implications" are anything new. It was a nice effort though. The culmination of 5 years' work here.

I've said enough to you now, quatona.

Blessedj01 said:

[/B]God isn't your enemy, but you think He is. It's heartbreaking, because the truth is that there's so much more to life than arguing with Christians about how mean He is. You could be living your life to the fullest, looking forward to the next, experiencing His goodness and grace. All it requires is faith in His Son. That's it! NOTHING, else.

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You could enjoy an eternity of Paradise, if only you convert to Islam. All it requires is faith in Allah and his Prophet. That's it! NOTHING, else. So why don't you convert?

If this line of reasoning isn't enough to convert you to Islam, why would you expect it to be sufficient to convert us to your religion?

Archaeopteryx said:

You could enjoy an eternity of Paradise, if only you convert to Islam. All it requires is faith in Allah and his Prophet. That's it! NOTHING, else. So why don't you convert?

If this line of reasoning isn't enough to convert you to Islam, why would you expect it to be sufficient to convert us to your religion?

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Actually, you're theologically incorrect. There are also many differences between Christianity and Islam, not to mention a completely different viewpoint on grace, salvation and the substitution of sin. For starters, the Quran states:
Nowhere in there do I see that salvation is a free gift from God, who has suffered all of our sins upon Himself.

It is only stubbornness that would have you ignore the grace and love of Jesus and compare Him to the cold and distant god of Islam.

well if creation is a kind of negation of God or it is part of the revelation of his Son... then it would make sense that in some form or another that God does not know. if we are parts of his other half that can forget then so what? is God limited when he is the only thing that is? the thing is that there is a difference between the depths of God and his manifestation as creator to creation. creator and creation is something going on inside of God. we have no clue just what God is, only parts of him and with a very limited perspective that belongs to humanity. the ideas of process and growth are something God came up with. what does reality look like from Gods perspective? it looks like God - the one it all came from.

the idea of God giving us freedom also calls for the possibility that God does not know in some sense... maybe to entertain himself. so for God to know and not know could be complementary things.

but as I see God. he is very chaotic and hard to define and understand. hes just as much a simple static and unchanging thing as he is a dynamic and ever-changing thing. his nature is expressed forever and yet humans want to try to tie him down with simple ideas such as "he is all knowing".. he is FAR more than that and many other different things.

so then a distinction of God and Godhead must be drawn. there must be a distinction of God as creator and God as not creator for we dwell in a part of his "mind" and all things come from his divinity. God as 'being' concerns himself with 'being'. God as different personas is just like perceiving a part of his body rather than his fullness. that does not mean he is limited though. there is not even such thing as "limited or unlimited" when it comes down to the core of God as all concepts are made by him and thus they do not describe him completely but they come from him... God can experience his own ideas obviously.

a creation based in freedom is a much more interesting thing than a creation only made with static rules. obviously a reality with limitations can be created with freedom but a reality that is based in limitation can not create this kind of freedom because freedom proceeds being. and so our true likeness to God is more to do with freedom rather than being. Gods freedom is his divinity and this is what he based us on at our very core for we are made from his very self in the depths of him. but it is that self before being, before creation... creation and creator are expressions of something inside of God. it is that part of God that stirs rather than that part that stays still... and they are the same thing. nothing and everything. love and desire. God and creation. spirit and spirit.

and so creation is the death of the Son of God and there is also a Resurrection and that is the kingdom of heaven... that eternal kosmos that created a play called our reality. a love-tragedy of loss and recovery. a priceless experience. and now let us go on with the beloved creation of a better world... because each of us helps to create what will be by being what we are. so be good... cause it's the best.

Blessedj01 said:

I'm not facing an eternity in Hell. Jesus is my homeboy. I have nothing to worry about - because God is good. You're acting like there's a problem here. No, there's only a problem if you want to have a problem. God's work is done.

It is impossible to create one person with free will and then create another without it without compromising their their humanity.

Don't blame God for what we reap and sow. You're another one who wishes he had never been born.

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You don't seem to understand. God created everyone who is destined for Hell knowing that they would never receive grace and therefore ultimately end up in Hell. How is that any different to creating them for Hell?

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I don't think you understand what I meant.

I won't bother having this conversation with you. These are the facts:

https://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell

Crying about it won't change it, crying about it won't make you (or I) innocent. Jesus is offering you a free ride to Heaven on the basis of the words posted right in this thread and you're rejecting what He's giving you. Don't say I didn't warn you. All I can pray is that the Holy Spirit visits you and teaches you to open up your heart.

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Whose crying about it? I don't believe in the doctrine of Hell.

Blessedj01 said:

Actually, you're theologically incorrect. There are also many differences between Christianity and Islam, not to mention a completely different viewpoint on grace, salvation and the substitution of sin. For starters, the Quran states:

1. "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward," (Surah 5:9).
2. "And He answers those who believe and do good deeds, and gives them more out of His grace; and (as for) the unbelievers, they shall have a severe punishment," (42:26, online, trans. by M.H. Shakir).
3. "O you who believe! If you are careful of (your duty to) Allah, He will grant you a distinction and do away with your evils and forgive you; and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace," (8:29, online, trans. by M.H. Shakir).

Does Islam teach salvation by works? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

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Nowhere in there do I see that salvation is a free gift from God, who has suffered all of our sins upon Himself.

It is only stubbornness that would have you ignore the grace and love of Jesus and compare Him to the cold and distant god of Islam.

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"You could enjoy that 'great reward,' Blessed! All you have to do is convert to Islam, right now! It's so easy. Why don't you want the great reward? Do you hate God? Is that why?"

Archaeopteryx said:

Whose crying about it? I don't believe in the doctrine of Hell.

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Okay, then you don't need to address me on these topics or worry about the "cruelty" of the doctrine.

Blessedj01 said:

Okay, then you don't need to address me on these topics or worry about the "cruelty" of the doctrine.

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Yes, I do. Because you believe it. It is arguably the most obscene doctrine ever conceived and attributed to a "loving" God, and you believe it.

Noxot said:

the idea of God giving us freedom also calls for the possibility that God does not know in some sense... maybe to entertain himself. so for God to know and not know could be complementary things.

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There's no possibility of God not knowing anything. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think he entertains Himself by remaining ignorant about certain things either.

Archaeopteryx said:

You don't seem to understand. God created everyone who is destined for Hell knowing that they would never receive grace and therefore ultimately end up in Hell. How is that any different to creating them for Hell?

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What is predestination? Is predestination biblical?

Archaeopteryx said:

"You could enjoy that 'great reward,' Blessed! All you have to do is convert to Islam, right now! It's so easy. Why don't you want the great reward? Do you hate God? Is that why?"

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Because I don't want a "great reward," I want a relationship with my creator that stems from His goodness and not from futile attempts at my own. If I approach God upon my own strength, our relationship will ultimately fail. God has enough rewards for all of us and has given me my life, that I should not seek compensation through false teachings. It's because I love God that I will put the glory of His Son first - whom earned the reward that I will share in through eternity. I have a friend who genuinely loves me, a God who died for me. I will not seek to follow a 'rabbi' who does not teach love, as there is only love found in Jesus Christ.

Archaeopteryx said:

Yes, I do. Because you believe it. It is arguably the most obscene doctrine ever conceived and attributed to a "loving" God, and you believe it.

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...and you make it your business to come to a forum for my people and tell me this?

So, in other words you do it out of spite. Congratulations!

Blessedj01 said:

Because I don't want a "great reward," I want a relationship with my creator that stems from His goodness and not from futile attempts at my own. If I approach God upon my own strength, our relationship will ultimately fail. God has enough rewards for all of us and has given me my life, that I should not seek compensation through false teachings. It's because I love God that I will put the glory of His Son first - whom earned the reward that I will share in through eternity. I have a friend who genuinely loves me, a God who died for me.

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"It's so sad that you're rejecting the great reward God is offering you. All you have to do is abandon false teaching and embrace Islam. That's it! It's so easy. And yet you want to remain in enmity with God and reject the great reward he is offering you!"

Blessedj01 said:

...and you make it your business to come to a forum for my people and tell me this?

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Your people?

You seem to be confused. I'm not here for you at all.