God cannot be both all knowing and all powerful

[Grandpa2390]

That fails. You cannot know every single thing about every single position at every single time in every single dimension for every single creation if you are not at those places all of the time.

Keeping in mind that I already stated that many who question his omnipresence, question his omniscience on many of the same scriptures, why can't he?

He is God?
Don't you think arguing that God can't not be omnipresent because you can't know everything without being everywhere is like saying God can't have created the Universe because it is impossible to create something out of nothing?

Perhaps God has good eyesight and hearing? Perhaps he has messengers who bring him news?

But like I said before, reading the Adam and Eve story, the Story of Sodom and Gomorrah... These stories make you question the omniscience and omnipresence. After all, the Bible never really describes God as having these qualities.

If God is omnipotent, then He has the power to do everything - including be everywhere all the time, at the same time, for every dimension, in every infinitesimal time interval, over infinite quantification of parameters.

not objecting to this. objecting the idea that he MUST be everywhere all the time. that is what omnipresent means.
Saying God is omnipresent is like saying he is infinitely tall and infinitely wide. God can't be the size of an atom while being omnipresent.
Rather perhaps God can choose to be omnipresent if he wants to be

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Keeping in mind that I already stated that many who question his omnipresence, question his omniscience on many of the same scriptures, why can't he?

He is God?
Don't you think arguing that God can't not be omnipresent because you can't know everything without being everywhere is like saying God can't have created the Universe because it is impossible to create something out of nothing?

Perhaps God has good eyesight and hearing? Perhaps he has messengers who bring him news?

But like I said before, reading the Adam and Eve story, the Story of Sodom and Gomorrah... These stories make you question the omniscience and omnipresence. After all, the Bible never really describes God as having these qualities.


not objecting to this. objecting the idea that he MUST be everywhere all the time. that is what omnipresent means.
Saying God is omnipresent is like saying he is infinitely tall and infinitely wide. God can't be the size of an atom while being omnipresent.
Rather perhaps God can choose to be omnipresent if he wants to be

The definitions of omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence are absolute. Anything lacking one infinitesimal change (read: dampening) will automatically be reduced to a god.

I am not saying there are no other gods that fit your domain of "God," but if we are talking about The Most High God, and He has stated that He is eternal, and that He is the beginning and the end, then He is speaking in absolutes. He is not, for example, saying He was paradoxically born when Christ was born on this planet, while He died out sometime later - but He still exists because He is Christ and will live forever (convoluted, perhaps, but a common motif concerning His "eternity.")

The Most High God is speaking in absolutes when He says He is eternal, and He is the beginning and the end. He also said all things that were created were created by the Word of God, who is Him.

That is at least omnipotence - creating everything that ever was, or is and will be even. Also, He is eternal; that is one of His names: He is the Alpha and Omega. So, we have An Eternal, Omnipotent entity. If you are all powerful, you know every way how to wield that power. Absolute omnipotence is a consequence of absolute omniscience; knowledge is power (e.g. present an average baby with a locked safe with a loaded gun in it, and the combination on a table.) Not the other way around.

Omnipresence is a natural consequence of The Most High God's "Power." But as I sad, the philosophy of whether or not He chooses to be absolutely omni is another issue.

 

[Grandpa2390]

The definitions of omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence are absolute. Anything lacking one infinitesimal change (read: dampening) will automatically be reduced to a god.

I am not saying there are no other gods that fit your domain of "God," but if we are talking about The Most High God, and He has stated that He is eternal, and that He is the beginning and the end, then He is speaking in absolutes. He is not, for example, saying He was paradoxically born when Christ was born on this planet, while He died out sometime later - but He still exists because He is Christ and will live forever (convoluted, perhaps, but a common motif concerning His "eternity.")

The Most High God is speaking in absolutes when He says He is eternal, and He is the beginning and the end. He also said all things that were created were created by the Word of God, who is Him.

who is disagreeing with this

That is at least omnipotence - creating everything that ever was, or is and will be even.

you don't have to prove this, Revelation 19:6 says so

Also, He is eternal; that is one of His names: He is the Alpha and Omega. So, we have An Eternal, Omnipotent entity.

no arguments

If you are all powerful, you know every way how to wield that power.

but that doesn't mean omniscience. If this is your definition of omniscience, then we have differing definitions. an omniscient God knows absolutely everything... whether he wants to or not. The God of the Bible has moments where he seems to not.
Now I am not saying he is not omniscient. Just that he is not omnipresent. We don't have to argue about omniscients because it is a position that is difficult to argue either way. we know so little. And all of the human philosophy in the world doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Absolute omnipotence is a consequence of absolute omniscience; knowledge is power (e.g. present an average baby with a locked safe with a loaded gun in it, and the combination on a table.) Not the other way around.

that is a leap I am unable make

Omnipresence is a natural consequence of The Most High God's "Power." But as I sad, the philosophy of whether or not He chooses to be absolutely omni is another issue.

disagree. The ability to be omnipresent is a natural consequence

 

[Ygrene Imref]

who is disagreeing with this

you don't have to prove this, Revelation 19:6 says so

no arguments


but that doesn't mean omniscience. If this is your definition of omniscience, then we have differing definitions. an omniscient God knows absolutely everything... whether he wants to or not. The God of the Bible has moments where he seems to not.
Now I am not saying he is not omniscient. Just that he is not omnipresent. We don't have to argue about omniscients because it is a position that is difficult to argue either way. we know so little. And all of the human philosophy in the world doesn't mean a hill of beans.

that is a leap I am unable make

disagree. The ability to be omnipresent is a natural consequence

How can you know everything absolutely, and not be omnipresent?

I see one of the only ways of this being possible is if Creation in every dimension is static. You don't have to be everywhere if you can know everything at every point in space in every dimension at any particular time interval if nothing changes (or the net is the unchanged.) It could be possible if you connect this with God saying He never changes.

But, there are several verses that point to God Himself describing omnipresence. Omnipresent, omnipotent, and at least extremely scientific (enough to be omnipotent.)

 

[Radrook]

I agree. I'm not sure about the omnipresence of God. the arguments for that are pretty weak. the arguments against (using scripture) are pretty strong to me. God is never characterized as being omnipresent, just free to be anywhere at anytime. Unable to be hidden from.
Saying God is omnipresent seems like a man-made concept intended to exalt God, but only limited him by forcing him to be in places he wouldn't want to be. taking away his choice. Like Sodom and Gomorrah.
But the stories concerning that and the Garden imply a God who is not in all places at all times.

I have also heard good argument against him being Omniscient... but I am not so sure about that one.
the stories imply also a God who is not all-knowing. These are just things I have read, not necessarily an idea that I have bought.

Very true, the concepts involved seem more a consequence of intellectual human elaboration leading to logical flaws which unintentionally convey an image totally incompatible with the simple and straightforward one conveyed in the Bible of a God who can be easily understood in simple human terms.

In contrast, such concepts distance the creator from mankind by portraying him as totally incomprehensible and completely out of reach to the common mentality and in that manner undermine the biblical attempt to make God approachable and easily understood as a concerned father who made us in his likeness and who wants to be understood by his earthly children.

Details of the Distortion:

1. The concepts seem to limit omnipotence by demanding that the entity be physically present everywhere in order to garner knowledge and that otherwise it would be incapable of knowing.

2. They assume that the entity is forced by its very nature to be everywhere at once and has absolutely no choice.

3. Assume that the entity is illogically interested in knowing what is happening every microsecond of time in every minute area of his creation for no apparent practical reason other than simply knowing. Such an interest comes across as a form of psychological aberration similar to obsessive compulsive disorder or insanity since it is obviously totally unnecessary.

4. The concepts can generate a disturbing feeling that we are in the presence of something too alien to be identified with, to approach, or even to be understood by to any significant degree, as well as a feeling that the creator might be in some form of psychological distress caused by his very nature.

 

[Grandpa2390]

How can you know everything absolutely, and not be omnipresent?

I already answered this question. Are we certain that God is absolutely Omniscient?
How can you know what is going on across the room? Perhaps God has big eyes and big ears. And his gathering of knowledge isn't limited to what he touches.
Perhaps he has messengers (angels), and listens to prayers. In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, he goes to investigate the sin because he heard the cry of it, and before he judges, he needs to see whether it is as he has heard. A righteous judge doesn't judge from afar.
Perhaps he doesn't even need our senses to know what is going on.

You're trying to use human reasoning to explain God. It is like asking how could God have spoken the Universe into existence? Or how could God be immortal?, or anything. God, is God. Perhaps he just knows.
He doesn't have to fit into the box of your human mind. Perhaps, being an infinitely supreme God, he has the ability to just know without being present.

After all, it is his universe, he created it. If he wanted to program into it a way for him to know everything that goes on without his needing to be present, then so be it.

But, there are several verses that point to God Himself describing omnipresence.

No there aren't. Find me scriptures that say God is omnipresent. And don't bother with Psalm 139, you don't have to be Omnipresent for that to be true. All that those verses are really saying is that you can't hide from God. God can be as omnipresent as he chooses to be.

 

[RDKirk]

God can be as omnipresent as he chooses to be.

Well, as long as He chooses to be where I am, that's pleni-present enough, and further discussion is irrelevant.

 

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[Ygrene Imref]

I already answered this question. Are we certain that God is absolutely Omniscient?
How can you know what is going on across the room? Perhaps God has big eyes and big ears. And his gathering of knowledge isn't limited to what he touches.
Perhaps he has messengers (angels), and listens to prayers. In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, he goes to investigate the sin because he heard the cry of it, and before he judges, he needs to see whether it is as he has heard. A righteous judge doesn't judge from afar.
Perhaps he doesn't even need our senses to know what is going on.

You're trying to use human reasoning to explain God. It is like asking how could God have spoken the Universe into existence? Or how could God be immortal?, or anything. God, is God. Perhaps he just knows.
He doesn't have to fit into the box of your human mind. Perhaps, being an infinitely supreme God, he has the ability to just know without being present.

After all, it is his universe, he created it. If he wanted to program into it a way for him to know everything that goes on without his needing to be present, then so be it.

I don't think you are getting it.

There is no condition on

Omnipotence
Omniscience
Omnipresence.

You can't be "omnipotent," and then not have the POWER to be everywhere at the same time - you lack something, and therefore you are NOT omnipotent or omnipresent.

You cannot be OMNIPOTENT, and not have the knowledge to wield all possible power. Then, you are not omnipotent (baby with gun safe and combination analogy.)

Omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotent are INFINITES; but not all infinities are the same. Nevertheless, they are infinites, or absolutes. You can't be everywhere in every single dimension at very single infinitesimal of time at every single point in creation without knowing absolutely everything. There are no conditions in dealing with these descriptors.


You are either All, or nothing - or you are just describing a powerful god that looks like it is 1/3 or 2/3 OMNI. Or, maybe you think the person calling themselves these absolutes are lying. In terms of the quantatative and qualitative breakdown on an OMNI, though, it is tripled.

God has described Himself in these ways - in other words, these are verses that begin or end with, "saith the Lord..."

No there aren't. Find me scriptures that say God is omnipresent. And don't bother with Psalm 139, you don't have to be Omnipresent for that to be true. All that those verses are really saying is that you can't hide from God. God can be as omnipresent as he chooses to be.

Well I think that is part of the problem with understand what OMNI means, because you can't "not include" something with a definition of OMNI. It a sums to that absolute. Nevertheless, I will omit Psalm 139, as there are other places He says He is omnipresent - and other have has well.


"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!" 1 Kings 8:27

"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Watching the evil and the good." Proverbs 15:3

"Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD." Jeremiah 23:24

"He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." Colossians 1:17

"Thus says the LORD, "Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest?" Isaiah 66:1

There are more, but then this wouldn't be a philosophical discussion on the existence and definition if omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. It would begin to be a discussion on the nature of who God says He is - and whether we believe that to be true. As said before, there are plenty of gods that seem powerful, but one prime of the tripled absolutes.

Just as a simple analogy: you are the cell in the creation body known as God. You are trying to rationalize that He isn't everywhere when His very "skin, bones and bloodstream..." literally make up all of creation as you (the cell) know it. He is either everywhere, or lying.

Now, can you see the issue when people take the bible for what it says, and what it is - and then we get other interpretations that seem to philosophically contradict each other (let alone logically)? God Himself said these things; this is now an issue of His character, and whether or not he would softly embellish His power with literary devices, or if He actually meant what He said.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Very true, the concepts involved seem more a consequence of intellectual human elaboration leading to logical flaws which unintentionally convey an image totally incompatible with the simple and straightforward one conveyed in the Bible of a God who can be easily understood in simple human terms.

In contrast, such concepts distance the creator from mankind by portraying him as totally incomprehensible and completely out of reach to the common mentality and in that manner undermine the biblical attempt to make God approachable and easily understood as a concerned father who made us in his likeness and who wants to be understood by his earthly children.

Details of the Distortion:

1. The concepts seem to limit omnipotence by demanding that the entity be physically present everywhere in order to garner knowledge and that otherwise it would be incapable of knowing.

2. They assume that the entity is forced by its very nature to be everywhere at once and has absolutely no choice.

3. Assume that the entity is illogically interested in knowing what is happening every microsecond of time in every minute area of his creation for no apparent practical reason other than simply knowing. Such an interest comes across as a form of psychological aberration similar to obsessive compulsive disorder or insanity since it is obviously totally unnecessary.

4. The concepts can generate a disturbing feeling that we are in the presence of something too alien to be identified with, to approach, or even to be understood by to any significant degree, as well as a feeling that the creator might be in some form of psychological distress caused by his very nature.

If someone can comprehend Him, He isn't incomprehensible.

I could have used the cell-body analogy, which describes His attributes of power much better. But, there seems to be a problem with connecting OMNI with what He actually said, and separting OMNI from "extremely, mind-bogglingly, incredibly" [non-omni attribute here.]

Moreover, we BETTER understand who He is - especially through what He has said Himself. It isn't a mystery to keep us dumb; according to God, He is revealing mysteries to us, and wants NOTHING hidden.

So, it becomes a problem of trying to make God something lesser - simply because what He said can't be be literal; it is a literary extrapolation of His [limited] power.

We (believers,) had better figure out what god we are worshiping... the Most High God never said there weren't any other gods, He said not to have any before Him.

 

[Radrook]

Statement:

If someone can comprehend Him, He isn't incomprehensible.

Response:
God has never described himself to mankind as completely incomprehensible. Quite to the contrary, he has urged us repeatedly to become familiar with his attributes to the point of becoming his children and friends.

James 2: 23And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “- Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God.



John 3:1 - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

He has made himself sufficiently known so that we can gain eternal life:

John 17:3

And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

So if indeed there is some incomprehension in relation to God, it definitely isn’t of the sort that poses an insurmountable barrier between him and his creation made in his image.

Statement:

I could have used the cell-body analogy, which describes His attributes of power much better. But, there seems to be a problem with connecting OMNI with what He actually said, and separating OMNI from "extremely, mind-bogglingly, incredibly" [non-omni attribute here.]

Response:

Since I haven’t claimed that he isn’t or that it is impossible for him to be omniscient, I really don’t know what you are referring to. Perhaps you misunderstood me or else are mistaking me for someone else?

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Statement:

Moreover, we BETTER understand who He is - especially through what He has said Himself. It isn't a mystery to keep us dumb; according to God, He is revealing mysteries to us, and wants NOTHING hidden.

Response:

I agree 100%

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Statement:

So, it becomes a problem of trying to make God something lesser - simply because what He said can't be be literal; it is a literary extrapolation of His [limited] power.

Response:

No, that isn’t what is being attempted at all. What is being attempted is to describe God as he really is and not as he is imagined to be by those who attribute certain qualities to him which are clearly totally unnecessary and extremely illogical and which have the deleterious effect of making him appear much too alien to be our Heavenly father and much too alien for us to reflect his image to any reasonable degree.

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Statement:

We (believers,) had better figure out what god we are worshiping... the Most High God never said there weren't any other gods, He said not to have any before Him.

Response:

I never claimed that there are no other gods besides him. Clearly he calls Satan a god, which you seem to be referring to by using a non capitalized “g” and suggesting that those who disagree with your particular concept of God are worshiping.

2 Corinthians 4:4
How is Satan god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)

 

[-V-]

I think this article addresses the question of the OP rather well:
http://strangenotions.com/are-omnipotence-and-omniscience-incompatible/

 

[Ygrene Imref]

I think this article addresses the question of the OP rather well:
http://strangenotions.com/are-omnipotence-and-omniscience-incompatible/

Interesting...

Likely humans make OMNIs incompatible because of their own limitations, and an apprehension to tackle paradoxical situations that come up by consequence. That clash with what we think we know as natural rule tend to cause the most trouble - like squaring a circle, or creating a rock so heavy that cannot be lifted.

These examples are triviality to an entity that is ENTIRELY OMNI - with no limitations. I think some of us take the common human paradoxes, and therefore apply boundaries to an omni.

Categorically, if you are an OMNI, there is no boundary. There are no dampenings of those OMNI characteristics. It is an absolute. We are confusing really strong gods with awesome powers with an entity that IS OMNI when we set those limits.

 

[Grandpa2390]

I don't think you are getting it.

No I don't think you are getting it. I get it pretty easily. You are getting confused by the your own preconceived philosophies.

There is no condition on

Omnipotence
Omniscience
Omnipresence.

agree

You can't be "omnipotent," and then not have the POWER to be everywhere at the same time - you lack something, and therefore you are NOT omnipotent or omnipresent.

depends on how you define power.
Does God have the power to commit sin? No? Oh well then he must not be omnipotent... Wrong, your definition of Omnipotent is off.

But I agree that God has the power to be omnipresent IF he CHOOSES to be.

You cannot be OMNIPOTENT, and not have the knowledge to wield all possible power. Then, you are not omnipotent (baby with gun safe and combination analogy.)

You can have power and not know how to use it. But I believe God has complete understanding of his power and his limitations. So he is omniscient concerning... himself. He doesn't need to know about me to know how to use his power. His power does not depend on me.

Omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotent are INFINITES; but not all infinities are the same. Nevertheless, they are infinites, or absolutes. You can't be everywhere in every single dimension at very single infinitesimal of time at every single point in creation without knowing absolutely everything. There are no conditions in dealing with these descriptors.

ummmm, yes you can. If you are not paying attention to what's going on. But you don't have to be everywhere in every single dimension at every single infinitesimal of time at every single point in creation to know everything.

If God is indeed OMNIPOTENT (which he is), then he can certainly know of things without being present. He has the power to. We don't, but he does.
After all, You can't hide from God. Why? because he always knows where to find you, and no place in inaccessible to him or his eyes.

You are either All, or nothing - or you are just describing a powerful god that looks like it is 1/3 or 2/3 OMNI. Or, maybe you think the person calling themselves these absolutes are lying. In terms of the quantatative and qualitative breakdown on an OMNI, though, it is tripled.

that is what you are describing. a God who has no free will. A God who is Omnipotent but has no control over his power.
You are defining God's power as if he were a superhuman rather than a God.


and your interpretation of these scriptures contradicts the way God revealed himself to Adam and Eve and Abraham, etc.

God has described Himself in these ways - in other words, these are verses that begin or end with, "saith the Lord..."




Well I think that is part of the problem with understand what OMNI means, because you can't "not include" something with a definition of OMNI. It a sums to that absolute. Nevertheless, I will omit Psalm 139, as there are other places He says He is omnipresent - and other have has well.


"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!" 1 Kings 8:27

How are you going to contain a God who can choose to be, and not be, any place he desires. A god who exists outside of creation.
Also, this verse is not about a physical attribute of God, it is about his Omnipotence. He is saying that heaven and the highest heaven (places God built) are unworthy of God, much less the temple that he built.

"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Watching the evil and the good." Proverbs 15:3

you believe God has literal eyes? This is a metaphor. It means that there is nothing that God can't see. But he doesn't have to be everywhere. He can have messengers. He can see from afar.
He's an omnipotent God, so he can just "see". He can cause the prophets to have visions and dream dreams... surely he too can have visions of places where he is not.

and so forth...

There are more, but then this wouldn't be a philosophical discussion on the existence and definition if omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. It would begin to be a discussion on the nature of who God says He is - and whether we believe that to be true. As said before, there are plenty of gods that seem powerful, but one prime of the tripled absolutes.

this is the discussion we are having. I've said it repeatedly. I don't give a wooden nickle about your philosophy. The only concern I have would be about the nature of who God says he is, and I believe it to be true.
My God is all-powerful. Your God has most power (choice is a power), but he can't control his power and is a slave to his creation.

Just as a simple analogy: you are the cell in the creation body known as God. You are trying to rationalize that He isn't everywhere when His very "skin, bones and bloodstream..." literally make up all of creation as you (the cell) know it. He is either everywhere, or lying.

I don't worship the creation as God. I worship the creator. If I am a cell in the body of creation, God fill the empty space outside of the body and exists wherever he chooses inside of the body. He is not his creation. He can inhabit the same space as the physical because he is not physical.

Now, can you see the issue when people take the bible for what it says, and what it is - and then we get other interpretations that seem to philosophically contradict each other (let alone logically)? God Himself said these things; this is now an issue of His character, and whether or not he would softly embellish His power with literary devices, or if He actually meant what He said.

No I don't see the issue. what I do see is the issue one can run into when he tries to rationalize and apply human philosophy and understanding to God.
What you believe is much like pantheism.

An omnipotent being without the freedom to exercise his power as he wills... is not an omnipotent being.

 

[-V-]

Categorically, if you are an OMNI, there is no boundary. There are no dampenings of those OMNI characteristics. It is an absolute. We are confusing really strong gods with awesome powers with an entity that IS OMNI when we set those limits.

No. You're trying to make the words mean things they never actually meant. Your hyperliteral understanding is simply incorrect. Those "omni" words don't appear in the Bible. They are words we made up to simplify the descriptions of God we find in the Bible.

One just has to glance here to see that "omnipotence" has meanings other than what you are claiming:
Omnipotence - Wikipedia

We use words to mean things other than that word's hyperliteral sense all the time. Take "automobile" for example. It means "self-moving". Yet, take ANY car right off the assembly line, put it on the floor and watch it to see how long it takes to move itself. Guess what.... you're going to be waiting a long, long time. Yet no one goes around insisting that we can't call them "automobiles" anymore. We understand that it's not meant in your hyperliteral sense.

The same goes with "omnipotence". No theologian will tell you that it LITERALLY means to be able to do EVERYTHING. It NEVER included things like logical absurdities (God making a rock so big that He can't lift it, for example) in its definition.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Is this the twilight zone?

Since when does ALL POWERFUL mean powerful MOSTLY, with conditions?

Definition of OMNIPOTENT
Definition of OMNISCIENT
Definition of OMNIPRESENT

This must be one of those situations where "your truth" is taken as "THE truth." This generation has a new paradigm of conditional truth. Understandable.

 

[Moral Orel]

Don't forget that we humans could be omnipotent if we all just worked together. Of course, God wouldn't allow us to do things on our own...

And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. -- Genesis 11:6​

 

[Petros2015]

It is not possible to be both all knowing and all powerful.

Maybe it's all relative. Suppose there was a book an author was writing, and I was a character in that book. Relative to me (the character, and really anything else that makes it's way into the Book), the Author is literally all powerful and all knowing.

Now, how you get to an All-Powerful and All-Knowing Author along with Free-Willed characters - that's another problem But as for the first part, I think it's something like that.

 

[Radrook]

I still don't see why omniscience must be totally incompatible with omnipotence.

 

[Petros2015]

the Most High God never said there weren't any other gods

Yes He did. Several times - Isaiah 44:6-8. At least, what He said was, if there were any, He didn't know about them.