'Go back to your own country.' 92-year-old man beaten with a brick

[Rion]

Is that the brick in her hand?

Yep.

Do you think there would be a picture of her posted in this thread if she was white?

* I'm honestly asking. I'm not trying to be facetious.

Since I posted the picture, let me answer your question: Yes. Me being surprised that they haven't found her when there's really good images of what she looks like has nothing to do with her race. If posting the image of a criminal is racist to you, then it probably means you're dealing with inherent racism, not the person posting the image of the suspect.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Ugh, such a sad story. Hopefully they also find the men who jumped in to help beat this poor guy.

 

[Rion]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-grandfather-hate-incident-20180712-story.html

Charged with attempted murder, but not a hate crime.

 

[Non sequitur]

Black woman assaults 92-year old Hispanic aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand White Privilege and Guns.

And here I was worried we would get off topic...

 

[dgiharris]

No, if she had used a gun to protect her child instead of a brick she'd be thought a hero instead of a barbarian. Especially if her "attacker" didn't survive to tell his side of the story. I'm not at all saying what she did was heroic. I'm saying a few minor differences to the story and this thread would have people defending what she did.

This is an interesting point. Especially if you throw in the "he's not from our neighborhood" type arguments as well.

for a moment, if we just put race to the side and out of mind...

It is interesting how our arguments and stances instantly shift once we start talking guns. Why is it acceptable to defend yourself with a gun but not acceptable to defend yourself with a brick? Why does using a gun infer a degree of innocence while using a brick infers a degree of guilt?

Then think about context of the citizenry vs the State.

When a police officer uses physical force against an elderly person, we as a society are much more forgiving. Sure, we condemn it to a degree however legally nothing really happens to the officer. As near as I can tell, police procedure is police procedure no matter what. Taser (or use violence against) an adult, elderly person, or a kid, meh, it's all that same, procedure is procedure...

however, when a citizen uses physical force against an elderly person, we as a society are harsh to condemn and our legal system comes after you with no holds barred.

So it is interesting how our mindset changes in regards to acceptable vs not acceptable due to context. Food for thought

 

[Rion]

This is an interesting point. Especially if you throw in the "he's not from our neighborhood" type arguments as well.

for a moment, if we just put race to the side and out of mind...

It is interesting how our arguments and stances instantly shift once we start talking guns. Why is it acceptable to defend yourself with a gun but not acceptable to defend yourself with a brick? Why does using a gun infer a degree of innocence while using a brick infers a degree of guilt?

Then think about context of the citizenry vs the State.

When a police officer uses physical force against an elderly person, we as a society are much more forgiving. Sure, we condemn it to a degree however legally nothing really happens to the officer. As near as I can tell, police procedure is police procedure no matter what. Taser (or use violence against) an adult, elderly person, or a kid, meh, it's all that same, procedure is procedure...

however, when a citizen uses physical force against an elderly person, we as a society are harsh to condemn and our legal system comes after you with no holds barred.

So it is interesting how our mindset changes in regards to acceptable vs not acceptable due to context. Food for thought

If she had shot the man and then falsely told passerby's that he'd tried to steal her child, and got him beat up more/shot again, people would still be mad. It's the whole false statement bit.

 

[dgiharris]

If she had shot the man and then falsely told passerby's that he'd tried to steal her child, and got him beat up more/shot again, people would still be mad. It's the whole false statement bit.

Sure, people would be mad if this was easily proven false.

however, these things often times are colored by the accuser. And if the "accuser" is saying, "he tried to take my child and I was forced to defend my child" and said accuser used a gun, there are many that will instantly side with the accuser and assume the accuser is in the right.

When these things happen, often times there is no video/audio showing the beginning to end of the conflict. All we have is the accuser's account (because if a gun is involved the other party is usually dead).

just sayin, it's interested how easily views on this could go sideways if you tweak it a little bit. I just find that interested. I know, a bit of a useless and pointless internet argument. I mean, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bang their butts on the ground when they hop

 

[Zoii]

I couldn't also help noticing the same problem most of the western world has - ie obesity.

I realise its off topic but gee - our countries have an endemic.

 

[Zoii]

No, if she had used a gun to protect her child instead of a brick she'd be thought a hero instead of a barbarian. Especially if her "attacker" didn't survive to tell his side of the story. I'm not at all saying what she did was heroic. I'm saying a few minor differences to the story and this thread would have people defending what she did.

I know what you're getting at but Na - I disagree - I think most of this world gives significant dispensation to the very elderly. Even if the guy was some sort of cantankerous old mule, you'd still just walk away and shake your head at the mad ol' fella. No matter what, I think its universally accepted we should be gracious towards the very elderly.