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God can convey his grace in other ways to us every day... in various ways he works in our lives...not just sacraments.
When you use that term Sacraments it's limited to seven . If you use the term Mysteries, it's not limited to those seven. So as you wrote sacraments, I agree with your comment completely. Those are not the only means of grace. We even have a witness in the thief on a cross.
Nothing terribly specific, as I recall. It was on the order of you ought to be baptized because in case you haven't been you may (or will) end up in hell. Mind you, he did not tell them that they would assuredly end up in heaven if they were baptized.
I'd have to disagree with this manner of doing things.
I'd need to hear more about it before agreeing or disagreeing.
Belief often begins from a healthy fear. But it should not end there. I'm for death/sick bed conversions 100%. As long as there is breath there is still hope.My first thought was:
5 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.
Colossians 4:5-6
...and then....us as Christians being rooted in the following type of relationship with God and not simply out of fear etc.
16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lords holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledgethat you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Ephesians 3:16-19
Belief often begins from a healthy fear. But it should not end there. I'm for death/sick bed conversions 100%. As long as there is breath there is still hope.
Luke 14
23" And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.'
That word compel (αναγκάζωmeans:compel, bludgeon, coerce, constrain, and necessitate. It does not mean trick or denote anything untruthful.
Kinda makes me think a bit. Can't say I've ever bludgeoned anyone into coming to Christ. But I have purposely hurt someone's feelings who was on the wrong path. Even used how it must be hurting their dear mother.
I agree with the extreme aspect. But how would we know? We just plant and tend. God make any increase if there is any.My point is ...well let me use an extreme example. For example if one confesses to a crime out of fear and not really seeing their wrong or understanding / if there is torture or immanent danger then people agree to things they don't always really believe in doing etc. Again these are extreme examples...but my point being that fear doesn't always produce sincerity and part of salvation is belief...true repentance. For true repentance etc. there needs to be sincerity.
I agree with the extreme aspect. But how would we know? We just plant and tend. God make any increase if there is any.
The amount of caring I see in your concerns is godly.
Yes, it should be presented in love even when harsh. I get your point.My point is ...well let me use an extreme example. For example if one confesses to a crime out of fear and not really seeing their wrong or understanding / if there is torture or immanent danger then people agree to things they don't always really believe in doing etc. Again these are extreme examples...but my point being that fear doesn't always produce sincerity and part of salvation is belief...true repentance. For true repentance etc. there needs to be sincerity.
I would certainly hope Baptism is never taught as a guaranteed ticket to heaven. I can't think of a place in scripture where Baptism stands alone.
I'd have to disagree with this manner of doing things.
I don't know of any significant difference between the Catholic understanding of Baptism and the Anglican understanding. Anglicans also believe that Baptism washes away the stain of Original Sin, renews and regenerates the fallen man, and grafts one into the Church.
I believe that Anglicans used to have First Communion following Confirmation (which we take to be a true sacrament, apart from Baptism) after a period of catechesis, but I'm not sure how widely this is practiced anymore.
In my parish, you must be validly baptized in order to be communed, but you needn't necessarily be confirmed. My parish is small, and we don't have any young children; so I confess to being ignorant of our custom with them. I'll need to talk to my priest about this and find out what we do...
Yes, it is customary for candidates for Anglican Confirmation to renew their baptismal vows during the rite and before the Bishop lays his hands on them for them to receive the Holy Ghost.
In my limited understanding of Catholicism (I am open to correction here) baptism washes away the stain of Original Sin, first and foremost. Secondarily, in doing so it places the individual in the Church.
It's about the same as with Catholics although there are Anglicans who reject the idea that Baptism is regenerative. "Christening" is just slang and seldom heard anymore.What is the Anglican understanding? It has struck me that in many Anglican circles baptism is called christening and is the rite in which a child's name is officially conferred, first and foremost, and by that name he/she is known as a member of the church.
I'd just say that these children have now been admitted to the ranks of communicants.First Communion in the Catholic Church is the first public participation in the mass by an individual and, as such, signifies that the individual is now an active participant in this aspect of the Church.
That's essentially true because those churches go all sorts of different ways on this issue.I know that there is no such thing in Orthodox, Anglican or other Protestant denominations.
Yes, that is the usual mainline Protestant POV.Confirmation in many denominations is the point where the individual formally becomes a member of that denomination of their own volition and understanding.
Yes--in those churches where there is infant baptism but no "first communion" Catholic-style. Confirmation does that, usually in one's teens. But in churches that don't practice infant baptism, this is where the baptism comes in and there is no need for any Confirmation.It is at that point that a public profession of faith is made.
I agree completely! I am perplexed when I encounter individuals who have a complete assurance of their salvation based upon the fact that they have been baptized.
I agree completely! I am perplexed when I encounter individuals who have a complete assurance of their salvation based upon the fact that they have been baptized.
Saved, being saved, then shall be saved kind of non-modern Lutheran kind of thing. That tiny bald headed guilty baby that I baptize is assured salvation for a little time anyway, ie, seconds to hours? Acts2:39 for a 110 v. d.c. kick-start.
That Bible says: "Once saved, always saved".
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (John 10:27-29)
That Bible says: "Once saved, always saved".
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (John 10:27-29)
Very true. Once our salvation is completed, it is permanent. And of course, God, being omniscient, has perfect knowledge of who will be saved and who won't. But right now, in this life, we're still running the race; we're still being saved. If we choose to reject God before the race is finished, He won't force us to go to Heaven. He will honor our wishes. We always get precisely what we seek in the end, which is why whatever we get in the afterlife is perfectly just.
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