GENTILES OR CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SABBATH ?

[Lily76_]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

 

[Dave-W]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

What do you mean by "gentiles OR christians?"

The Sabbath is primarily a sign between God and Israel (both believing and unbelieving), but there is nothing saying that gentiles are not welcome to participate. Indeed, for gentiles who live in the Jewish community are expected to follow the Law including observing the Sabbath.

 

[Lily76_]

are Gentiles and Christians the same ? sorry i dont know very much about Messianic Judaism Am just kinda interested

 

[Joshua_5]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

So long as they're only practicing, its probably okay. And remember, "practice makes perfect".

God gave man 6 days on which to work, and the 7th as a Sabbath of rest. Many Christians rest on the Sabbath, and worship on the first day of the week (Sunday), to celebrate Jesus' resurrection.

 

[BobRyan]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
"The Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" REv 14:12
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God"
Isaiah 56:1-8 gentiles specifically blessed for keeping the Bible Sabbath - the 7th day... Saturday.

 

[BobRyan]

are Gentiles and Christians the same ? sorry i dont know very much about Messianic Judaism Am just kinda interested

The New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 and Hebrews 8:6-10 is made with "The House of Israel and the House of Judah"

Romans 2:25-29 tells us that "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly".

Phil 3 preaches against false circumcision - that is not spiritual - not true heart change.
Romans 2 preaches against those who 'call themselves Jews and are not' because "He is not a Jew who is one (merely) outwardly neither is true circumcision that of the flesh" Romans 2

 

[BobRyan]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

I like the image for your signature line --

"The Great Controversy between Christ and satan" -- free online reading.
http://www.whiteestate.org/books/gc/gc.asp

 

[Shane2336]

Galatians 3:28 (Check that one out)

No distinction between Jew or Gentile, in Christ.
As far as the Law is concerned, it is not a means for our salvation. However, it is still to be observed. So...we are indeed to keep a day specifically for the Lord.

 

[Dave-W]

are Gentiles and Christians the same ?

No. That is kind of like asking if Germans and males are the same thing.

A "gentile" is someone who is not a Jew.
A "christian" is someone who believes in Jesus.

There are gentiles who believe and gentiles who do not.
There are Jews who do not believe in Jesus, and some that do. (but are usually called "Messianic")

sorry i dont know very much about Messianic Judaism Am just kinda interested

So I encourage you to hang out here and lurk for a while. You will learn about us.

And if you want more info:
www.chosenpeople.com
www.mjaa.org
www.umjc.org
www.tikkunamerica.org

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

Is it okay to follow Y'SHUA(JESUS)?

When Y'SHUA trains disciples, HE does so perfectly, from HIS WORD.

 

[visionary]

The Sabbath was made for man... not just Jews.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Sabbath was made for man... not just Jews.

EVERYONE IS BLESSED when SABBATH IS KEPT.

Blessed by YHWH (GOD) the Creator.

This is GOOD NEWS !

 

[ChavaK]

What do you mean by "gentiles OR christians?"
Indeed, for gentiles who live in the Jewish community are expected to follow the Law including observing the Sabbath.

What??

 

[Dave-W]

The Sabbath was made for man... not just Jews.

The "v'shamru:"

Ex 31.16 So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.’ 17 It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.”

What you say is true, but it is MORE true for Jews than gentiles. Gentiles get to participate, but the sign is not with them.

Interesting side anecdote:

My youngest daughter and her husband are adopting 4 year old twins (boy and girl) who have been in a foster home their whole life. Last month they started taking them to their services at a local messianic congregation. Both of the "kiddos" picked up on V'shamru and started singing it every day at their foster home.

To which the foster mom asked my daughter "What religion did you say you were???"

 

[Joshua_5]

The "v'shamru:"

Ex 31.16 So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.’ 17 It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.”

What you say is true, but it is MORE true for Jews than gentiles. Gentiles get to participate, but the sign is not with them.

That's right. The Sabbath has more meaning for the true Jews; we who are in Christ.

Romans 2:28 - 29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Dave-W]

gentiles who live in the Jewish community are expected to follow the Law including observing the Sabbath.

What??

I know that may sound strange to you, but Torah is clear:

Exodus 12:49 One law [Torah] shall be for the native-born and for the stranger [ger] who dwells among you.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger [ger] who is within your gates.

Deuteronomy 5:14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger [ger] who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

I understand the rabbinic community has re-intrepreted ger to mean a "convert." But I see no historic evidence that it was so. It meant any gentile who happened to live among the Jews.

Kinda blows the lid off of the institution of the "shabbos goy."

 

[Dave-W]

That's right. The Sabbath has more meaning for the true Jews; we who are in Christ.

So much replacement "theology" fluff.

 

[Joshua_5]

So much replacement "theology" fluff.

You think we replaced Christ???!

No! He is the Vine, we are the branches. John 15:5.

 

[Dave-W]

You think we replaced Christ???!

Ah. You are not familiar with replacement theology even though you are promoting it.

It is the theory that the church has replaced the Jews as God's chosen, and that gentile christians are somehow now a "spiritual Israel."

IOW, it is a crock. Read this:
http://app.kehilanews.com/articles/582-the-tragic-error-of-replacement-theology

 

[Joshua_5]

Ah. You are not familiar with replacement theology even though you are promoting it.

It is the theory that the church has replaced the Jews as God's chosen, and that gentile christians are somehow now a "spiritual Israel."

IOW, it is a crock. Read this:
http://app.kehilanews.com/articles/582-the-tragic-error-of-replacement-theology

Okay. I believe that both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the Vine, who is Christ.