Genesis

[simplyg123]

I have started this thread to explore the creation.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

i have heard theorys of a layer of water over the atmosphere causing higher levels of oxygen to be present, causing animals and plants to be enormuous. This could explain lots of things, dinosaurs, the amout of coal found, they say the earth is billions of years old, one thing they base this one is the plantlife, they say it would take billions of years to create the amount of coal that is present today. Speculating of course if there was the same amount of planlife as today.

But if the trees were bigger, plants bushier, not to mention there was more land above water then, therfore more plants growing on it. The theory states it is possible to have the amount of coal, ok, enough from me, what do you think

 

[eoe]

My thoughts...

ex nihilo creation has to involve some really really strange physics. No one can really predict what the resuts of those strange physics could be.

The fall of man was also the fall of creation. Who can say exactly what happened? Perhaps God saw that man was about to become dino-food and wiped them all out in some dramatic manner that caused them to decompose in such a way as to produce fossil fuels? I have no clue myself.

Science is an art. It does a pretty good job of explaining things but even at its best it is still only an art and is flawed.

Where science and scripture appear to disagree I simply see it as a best guess based upon the available information. If science had all the information it might explain things better.

In the end - it is a mystery and we will not know for quite a while, perhaps forever. As an Eastern Orthodox Christian I am perfectly comfortable with some things simply being a mystery and do not need to explain everything.

 

[simplyg123]

My thoughts...

ex nihilo creation has to involve some really really strange physics. No one can really predict what the resuts of those strange physics could be.

The fall of man was also the fall of creation. Who can say exactly what happened? Perhaps God saw that man was about to become dino-food and wiped them all out in some dramatic manner that caused them to decompose in such a way as to produce fossil fuels? I have no clue myself.

Science is an art. It does a pretty good job of explaining things but even at its best it is still only an art and is flawed.

Where science and scripture appear to disagree I simply see it as a best guess based upon the available information. If science had all the information it might explain things better.

In the end - it is a mystery and we will not know for quite a while, perhaps forever. As an Eastern Orthodox Christian I am perfectly comfortable with some things simply being a mystery and do not need to explain everything.

i am definately satisfied with it being a mystery as well,
just fun to talk about.

As far a science is concerarned, they pick and chose what they want you to know, for years they try to dig up ape men and what not to prove evololution, most of which have been proven to be disfigured men with disease or fakes.

If Apes evolved into men, why didnt the apes we have today evolve?

im sure there is some "scientific explantion"(lie) to answer that

 

[eoe]

What happens there is that you start to argue from a presupposed position tho. When you assume that x is true then it becomes very easy to come up with justifications for it.

The same is true with certain theological discussions here. People will assume that one postition is correct and then become blind to other positions that counter it.


I agree tho - it is interesting to imagine what actually happened. The amount of energy that had to have been released would be unreal. I can not even begin to imagine what effects that must have had.

 

[jckstraw72]

you have a charlie brown shirt!!

 

[simplyg123]

you have a charlie brown shirt!!

yes i need a tan though, my ears and eyelids dont match my body

 

[simplyg123]

What happens there is that you start to argue from a presupposed position tho. When you assume that x is true then it becomes very easy to come up with justifications for it.

The same is true with certain theological discussions here. People will assume that one postition is correct and then become blind to other positions that counter it.


I agree tho - it is interesting to imagine what actually happened. The amount of energy that had to have been released would be unreal. I can not even begin to imagine what effects that must have had.

One good thing about me being a fresh christian, i can be more open to learn the truth, i havent fully developed a total belief system, im still learning. and i realise everything i think i know , might not be true. However i trust the bible and though people have tried to change my mind on that, i wont, through faith i believe what the bible says to be true, and if anyone wants me to believe what they say, all they have to do is show me where it says it(in context), in the bible

 

[jad123]

In the end - it is a mystery and we will not know for quite a while, perhaps forever. As an Eastern Orthodox Christian I am perfectly comfortable with some things simply being a mystery and do not need to explain everything.

I think this is very well put.

 

[simplyg123]

I think this is very well put.

indeed it is, other then the forever part, i believe i read somewhere all secrets would be revealed, maybe not though.

Its just very interesting exploring Gods power

 

[jaxwired]

One good thing about me being a fresh christian, i can be more open to learn the truth, i havent fully developed a total belief system, im still learning. and i realise everything i think i know , might not be true. However i trust the bible and though people have tried to change my mind on that, i wont, through faith i believe what the bible says to be true, and if anyone wants me to believe what they say, all they have to do is show me where it says it(in context), in the bible

Lee Strobel wrote the book "The case for a creator". This book discusses the origins of the universe along with other scientific evidence for the existence of God. There are many books like this. I highly recommend Lee Strobel's work as it is among the best and easiest to digest. If you are new to this subject, you will be amazed at how many in the scientific community have been changing there minds in the last 30 years. Many, many of the worlds most respected scientists now believe that God is by far (and I mean billions of times more likely) the best explanation for the universe and for life on earth. Science is quickly doing a 180 from being the friend of atheists to the friend of theists.

 

[simplyg123]

Lee Strobel wrote the book "The case for a creator". This book discusses the origins of the universe along with other scientific evidence for the existence of God. There are many books like this. I highly recommend Lee Strobel's work as it is among the best and easiest to digest. If you are new to this subject, you will be amazed at how many in the scientific community have been changing there minds in the last 30 years. Many, many of the worlds most respected scientists now believe that God is by far (and I mean billions of times more likely) the best explanation for the universe and for life on earth. Science is quickly doing a 180 from being the friend of atheists to the friend of theists.

sounds intersesting, i recently watched a video, by a man, i cant remember his name, ted or ed or something, i dont agree with everything he says, he's actually in jail for tax evasion, you may know who im refering to, but he has a great teaching on creation, i recently saw it and it was so jaw dropping, i just found his name its Kent Hovind. Any way it was a great video.

thanks for the info in the book i will check it out

 

[DirectorKeith]

Since you are so interested on the subject, I might recommend to you two of the best (IMO) creation scientists around, Ken Ham (answersingenesis.org) and Kent Hovind (drdino.com). Both are great speakers, but as with any other scientist, you must discern the truths.

 

[simplyg123]

Since you are so interested on the subject, I might recommend to you two of the best (IMO) creation scientists around, Ken Ham (answersingenesis.org) and Kent Hovind (drdino.com). Both are great speakers, but as with any other scientist, you must discern the truths.

yes ive been watching kents video, its really eye opening

 

[englishfreeman]

god made it in 6 days ? no problem! hes bigger than my mind will comprehend .thats no problem either

 

[CouldiEver]

I have started this thread to explore the creation.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

i have heard theorys of a layer of water over the atmosphere causing higher levels of oxygen to be present, causing animals and plants to be enormuous. This could explain lots of things, dinosaurs, the amout of coal found, they say the earth is billions of years old, one thing they base this one is the plantlife, they say it would take billions of years to create the amount of coal that is present today. Speculating of course if there was the same amount of planlife as today.

But if the trees were bigger, plants bushier, not to mention there was more land above water then, therfore more plants growing on it. The theory states it is possible to have the amount of coal, ok, enough from me, what do you think

I'm not too sure how God created, but that idea could be a possibility. From my understanding, the Biblical way to explain dinosuars is that since the majority of them are land animals, then they would have been created on day six with mankind and the rest of the land animals. The water dwelling dinosaurs would have been created on the fifth day with the other fish and beasts of the sea.

One other way that we can get a lot of coal and oil rather quickly is during the Great Flood of Noah's day when forests and creatures were buried rapidly. Of course, the geological principle assumes that all processes have been going on as they are today, hence they believe that it took eons of years. But if the Bible is true as I believe it to be, and evidence seems to be consistent with it, then it would not have taken eons of years for the current amount of coal and oil to form.

 

[Optimax]

I have started this thread to explore the creation.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

i have heard theorys of a layer of water over the atmosphere causing higher levels of oxygen to be present, causing animals and plants to be enormuous. This could explain lots of things, dinosaurs, the amout of coal found, they say the earth is billions of years old, one thing they base this one is the plantlife, they say it would take billions of years to create the amount of coal that is present today. Speculating of course if there was the same amount of planlife as today.

But if the trees were bigger, plants bushier, not to mention there was more land above water then, therfore more plants growing on it. The theory states it is possible to have the amount of coal, ok, enough from me, what do you think

My explaination is "God did it".

 

[Melethiel]

Moved to Origins Theology.

 

[philadiddle]

if u like kent hovind watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZCcTcOPV0

 

[gluadys]

I have started this thread to explore the creation.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

i have heard theorys of a layer of water over the atmosphere causing higher levels of oxygen to be present, causing animals and plants to be enormuous.

Well, you start to get into trouble right here. A level of water over the atmosphere, and close enough to earth to be held in its gravity, would add so much gravitational pressure that it would signficantly raise the temperature of the atmosphere. I'm no mathematician, but people versed in physics tell us that the temperature on the surface of the earth in such a case would be in the 1000s of degrees--well above that suitable for habitation.

If it raised oxygen levels as well, any plants and animals would be more likely to burst into flame than become bigger.

In any case why would oxygen levels affect their size? Caterpillers and ants have access to the same oxygen levels that elephants and giraffes do, but they don't get as big. Dandelions and oak trees both get the same level of oxygen. Why don't dandelions grow as big as oaks?

The whole scenario you outlined is just a made-up story. Nothing in real life supports it. You can't build explanations of actual events on ad hoc imagination dreamed up for the occasion.

 

[notto]

As far a science is concerarned, they pick and chose what they want you to know, for years they try to dig up ape men and what not to prove evololution, most of which have been proven to be disfigured men with disease or fakes.

This is a fabrication and I would encourage you to not accept it. There are thousands of fossil finds. Most of these have not proven to be disfigured men with disease or fakes. Whatever source told you that is straight out lying.

If Apes evolved into men, why didnt the apes we have today evolve?

Men are apes. We did not evolve from any living species of apes. We, along with other apes, evolved from a common ancestor.

Again, it looks like you have been using sources who's intent is to mislead you with false information and a false understanding of what evolution actually is. I would encourage you to get your information on the scientific theory of evolution from actual scientists, not people who intentionally or unintentionally misrepresent the very thing you are trying to learn about.