Genesis One

[AV1611VET]

Bear in mind that you're talking to some one who believes that the bible was originally written in Jacobean English - which was spoken universally from creation until the Tower of Babel episode.

Not until 1611 was the "whole Bible" written thusly.

But ... yes ... until Genesis 11, I believe the word of God was written in Jacobean English.

 

[TCassidy]

בחזרה אליך

Back to me about what? And what does that have to do with the discussion?

 

[TCassidy]

what word Moses used for "heaven" (singular)

There is no singular. Only a dual and a plural. שׁמה or שׁמים
shamayim or shameh. Note that shamayim is a construct of sha and mayim, not to be confused with the plural suffix "im."

 

[AV1611VET]

Back to me about what? And what does that have to do with the discussion?

That was an attempt at saying "back atcha" in Hebrew.

Do you see the problem it caused?

As Paul so aptly put it:

1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no singular. Only a dual and a plural. שׁמה or שׁמים
shamayim or shameh. Note that shamayim is a construct of sha and mayim, not to be confused with the plural suffix "im."

I'm familiar with the rhetoric.

What Hebrew word would you have used without disrespecting the King James Bible?

 

[TCassidy]

Perhaps Hebrew is unknown to you, but not to me. Any serious student of God's word will take the time to have, at least, a study knowledge of the very words God gave by inspiration.

The problem with your KJVOism is "which KJV?" There are dozens of differences between the AV of 1611 and the most common KJV in print today, the 1769 Oxford edition.

Even KJVO author D.A. Waite admits there are around 150 "changes of substance" that change the meaning of the text.

So, which of the 7 or 8 different revisions of the KJV do you think is the correct one, and why do you think that? And why are the other KJVs wrong?

 

[TCassidy]

What Hebrew word would you have used without disrespecting the King James Bible?

I believe the word God inspired, השׁמים.

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps Hebrew is unknown to you, but not to me.

Well you're wasting your time trying to impress me with it.

I say this very respectfully, but frankly, it looks like graffiti to me and sounds like ... well ... another language.

Any serious student of God's word will take the time to have, at least, a study knowledge of the very words God gave by inspiration.

And what, pray tell, were the very words used by the autographers?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you weren't there.

Furthermore, I'll bet you think Moses autographed the book of Genesis, don't you?

The problem with your KJVOism is "which KJV?" There are dozens of differences between the AV of 1611 and the most common KJV in print today, the 1769 Oxford edition.

"Problem"?

Maybe to you it is, but not to me.

I use th KJB, fifth edition.

Even KJVO author D.A. Waite admits there are around 150 "changes of substance" that change the meaning of the text.

You mean like believing Moses crossed the Sea of Reeds, and not the Red Sea?

So, which of the 7 or 8 different revisions of the KJV do you think is the correct one,

The fifth.

... and why do you think that?

I'll paraphrase Gail Riplinger on this one:

"God created a Diamond in 1611, then polished It five times to a high gloss."

Something like that.

And why are the other KJVs wrong?

Don't know. Don't care. Don't care to know.

 

[AV1611VET]

I believe the word God inspired, השׁמים.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion.

How man "heavens" then were created in Genesis 1:1?

And since He created two more since then, are there five heavens now?

 

[TCassidy]

How man "heavens" then were created in Genesis 1:1?

Asked and answered. See post #264.

 

[TCassidy]

Don't know. Don't care. Don't care to know.

You have summed up KJVOism quite well.

1 Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have summed up KJVOism quite well.

As does this thread sum up your side too.

 

[AV1611VET]

Asked and answered. See post #264.

That's one too many.

If I work one job, does it make sense for me to be talking about my "jobs"?

And for the record, how would you say "third heaven" in Hebrew? or "first heaven" or "second heaven"?

 

[TCassidy]

And for the record, how would you say "third heaven" in Hebrew?

גן עדן שלישי

or "first heaven"

גן עדן ראשון

or "second heaven"?

גן עדן שני

 

[TCassidy]

As does this thread sum up your side too.

Yes, I know. That the bible is the verbally and plenarily inspired, inerrant, infallible, preserved word of God.

Inspiration: the autographa.
Preservation: the apographa (and successive copies)
Derivation: as translated into the receptor language.

 

[TCassidy]

That's one too many.

Nope. God does not make mistakes.

 

[AV1611VET]

גן עדן שלישי

גן עדן ראשון

גן עדן שני

So then there is a singular word for Heaven?

But not in Genesis 1:1 ... right?

 

[AV1611VET]

Inspiration: the autographa.
Preservation: the apographa (and successive copies)
Derivation: as translated into the receptor language.

Try ...

Inspiration: the autographs
Preservation: the originals
Translations: the seven versions:

1. AV330 Gothic Version
2. AV700 Anglo-Saxon Version
3. AV1389 Wycliffe
4. AV1525 Tyndale
5. AV1560 Geneva Bible
6. AV1568 Bishop's Bible
7. AV1611 King James Bible​

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope. God does not make mistakes.

But you do.

 

[Aman777]

Unscriptural.

"Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:" (Greek-destroyed totally)2 Peter 3:6

The world (Greek-Kosmos/Universe) perished being overflowed with water, not the air where the birds flew. The bird from the Ark was still capable of flying after the rain stopped to look for ground.

That's because Adam's entire small world (only miles in diameter) sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago. This released the 450 ft Ark into the Lake in the mountains of Ararat. Adam's world was "clean dissolved" Isaiah 24:19 but NOT our planet which has NEVER had a global flood. Amen?